UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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PeLucheuh

PeLucheuh
bitstorm said:
Well lots of posts from MB about UA/UP pointing.

And whichever way I cut it, it just leads me back to the assumption that UPs can be found somewhere in the Merope system.

Since the UA points at Merope star, and given the UP points at Merope 5c.

IF the UA/UP are broadcasting information
Then the direction implies that the UA is intended to function at long distance
And the UP is intended to function at a short distance

alternatively

IF the UA/UP are trying to lead us somewhere
Then again it implies that the UA is intended as a pointer at long distance
And the UP is intended as a pointer at a short distance

Whichever way I look at it the difference in pointing behaviour seems telling:

- Pointing at a star is the behaviour of something that needs to function at a range where planets aren't discernible
- Pointing at a local body is the behaviour of something that functions at a range where planets are discernible

And the only conclusion I can come to is that UPs are somewhere in Merope
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Or it could be the contrary :

- UA shell is the "known" perimeter around Merope system, collecting infos, scanning ships/traffic and maybe more...
- UP are long range discovery equipment allowing UA shell to grow up in time.

I mean, UP are pointing to Merope 5C in Merope system. Outside the system i think we can only see UP pointing to Merope.

But maybe UA shell is what allow UP to be more accurate at pointing to a specific object.
 
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Xenia_K

Xenia_K
*tinfoil hat on*
just went back to the basics.
If U want to point somewhere in space YOU NEED FIXED reference positions. The only fixed ones in FD Universe are the stars.
Assumption: lower left group (marked --l) is representing two vectors, center of diagram (merope) defines a point.
with two vectors and a point in math u define a plane.
So the equation would be (-78: -150:-340) + r*(x1:z1:y1) + s*(x2:z2:y2)
the group has no arc indicator(s), hence NEXT System.
Nearest System to Merope are Sterope2(r) and Maia(s).
If You put the vectors of those relative to Merope You get

(-78: -150:-340) + r*(-4:+2:-2) + s*(-4:0:-3) (btw r minus s results in (0:2:-1) which is 30° like in the diagram)

Now, the direction vector of group -l- is roughly -90° from the middle of the two Group 4 vectors
hence it would be (-4:+1:-2,5), if we rotate that -90° we get (+1:-4:-2,5) relative to Merope
Scaling it:
group three gives us 2 arcs incoming (UA shell) ~150LY
group two tells us 1 arc out =75 LY

By this we get a position of (-63:-210:-377,5) which is quite good the position of Plejades Sector RI-T B3-1, a T-Tauri System.

Might be worth a try

*tinfoil hat off*
 
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DialBforBiscuit

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RandolfK said:
*tinfoil hat on*
just went back to the basics.
If U want to point somewhere in space YOU NEED FIXED reference positions. The only fixed ones in FD Universe are the stars.
Assumption: lower left group (marked --l) is representing two vectors, center of diagram (merope) defines a point.
with two vectors and a point in math u define a plane.
So the equation would be (-78: -150:-340) + r*(x1:z1:y1) + s*(x2:z2:y2)
the group has no arc indicator(s), hence NEXT System.
Nearest System to Merope are Sterope2(r) and Maia(s).
If You put the vectors of those relative to Merope You get

(-78: -150:-340) + r*(-4:+2:-2) + s*(-4:0:-3)

Now, the direction vector of group -l- is roughly -90° from the middle of the two Group 4 vectors
hence it would be (-4:+1:-2,5), if we rotate that -90° we get (+1:-4:-2,5) relative to Merope
Scaling it:
group three gives us 2 arcs incoming (UA shell) ~150LY
group two tells us 1 arc out =75 LY

By this we get a position of (-63:-210:-377,5) which is quite good the osition of Plejades Sector RI-T B3-1, a T-Tauri System.

Might be worth a try

*tinfoil hat off*
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Ok ok, I like this it gave me an idea. We do need a reference and we've been given two points. Merope (UA), and Merope 5c(UP). What if the line on the UA image is a line between Merope and Merope 5c? This would give us a basis to use the image as a map. Reference and scale.
 

LordZoltan

LordZoltan
simulacrae said:
Not unless he wants to be specific. Pointing at an object still implies aligning and a purpose which does not rule out "the other direction" ;)
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No it really does - because it means the other direction is everywhere, so therefore: nowhere in particular.

At best - it's scanning everywhere and sending that back to one point. Or receiving something from one point and broadcasting it back out everywhere.

The important location, though, is the one they all share - not the infinity of locations on 'the other side'.
 

Allant Doran

Allant Doran
Michael Brookes said:
There is no direct connection with the barnacles.

Michael
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Okay folks, my most tinfoily idea so far;

I still think the Barnacles and the UA/UP are unrelated as far as being owned by the same faction.


What is 2.2 called? 'The Guardians'.


I think Barnacles belong to race 'A', and UA/UP are race 'B' who are monitoring the situation.

Race 'A', compelled by revenge of the military-grade strip mining of 'Their' barnacles, will attack. But race 'B', who understand Mankind's curiosity and more primitive nature, will help protect us.


Race 'A' = Thargoids maybe? Race 'B' = 'The Guardians'.
 

Colonel Kenney

Colonel Kenney
MB implied one is more advanced than the other. That the ranges of both are different. That UP's can be found in the wild.

The probe is intentionally pointing to merope 5c. Pointing directly at a moon from outside a solar system seems to be a wasted effort.

I think you guys are onto something. I think the search needs to be focused in the merope system.

I was thinking more specifically the one "out of sorts" moon 3A. Its unlike any other.

Has anyone flown around it at close proximity ?
 

Xenia_K

Xenia_K
DialBforBiscuit said:
Ok ok, I like this it gave me an idea. We do need a reference and we've been given two points. Merope (UA), and Merope 5c(UP). What if the line on the UA image is a line between Merope and Merope 5c? This would give us a basis to use the image as a map. Reference and scale.
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Yes and it would give U a solution which rotates the POI 360° in the found plane all 154,9 Day (period of Merope 5), hence not a solution
 

MyklAtrum

MyklAtrum
LordZoltan said:
But yeah - exactly - I'm just not convinced...

There is an equally logical argument for why UPs will not be found in Merope:

Consider the fact that from outside Merope, then UAs point toward it but are found in the shell.

UPs have identical pointing behaviour outside of Merope itself, so are also more likely to be found elsewhere.

And for those arguing their pointing behaviour is ultimately different in-system; well only where they point - they both point to specific locations within the system itself - it's just that one is landable for us.

That doesn't in itself lend any more weight to the idea that they'll be found in the system any more than pointing at the Merope star did for the UAs.
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Yeah. This was my reasoning for saying we needed to discount what we know of the probe. It pointing to 5C is making us believe they should be IN Merope. But if we take out that fact, they could be anywhere. And everything we knew before we found them pointing to 5C should technically lead us to them. Somehow. That's the part I'm a little lost on at this point. So many theories have been looked into and nothing was found.
 

simulacrae

simulacrae
LordZoltan said:
No it really does - because it means the other direction is everywhere, so therefore: nowhere in particular.

At best - it's scanning everywhere and sending that back to one point. Or receiving something from one point and broadcasting it back out everywhere.

The important location, though, is the one they all share - not the infinity of locations on 'the other side'.
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I think yo are getting caught up in the infinities and not looking at instances where it might be valid. There is no reason to assume that it must be true in all cases
 

pocketmoon

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Michael Brookes said:
There is no direct connection with the barnacles.

Michael
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Hi Michael,

Genuine question, why can't snippits like this be made through GALNET or other in-game mechanism? e.g, the guise of 'in the know' NPC reporting on things, e.g.

"Today, Professor Lin Sondek confirmed he could find no evidence of direct communications between UP and Barnacles.."

Is it just too weighty a process for something that needs to be reactive to player investigations and queries ?

Rob
 
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