That's what I would have thought, but as you say if it's in Witchspace we have no way of actually knowing or getting to it. Which makes the puzzle pointless really. It has to be something we can solve, or else what is the point? If the answer is "in witchspace" then they could have just had the Artifacts beaming signals into witchspace, instead of taking us on this long puzzle route that leads nowhere (we can get to). Dunno *shrugs*. I'm just trying to stop the thread going off in complete tangents, other nebulas, other dimensions, when for a long time we've been told it's all about 5c. :/
UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn
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That's what I would have thought, but as you say if it's in Witchspace we have no way of actually knowing or getting to it. Which makes the puzzle pointless really. It has to be something we can solve, or else what is the point? If the answer is "in witchspace" then they could have just had the Artifacts beaming signals into witchspace, instead of taking us on this long puzzle route that leads nowhere (we can get to). Dunno *shrugs*. I'm just trying to stop the thread going off in complete tangents, other nebulas, other dimensions, when for a long time we've been told it's all about 5c. :/
he took 16 bits, copy and paste error i think, corrected it in the table I posted two pages back, #9750
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...d-other-mysteries-Thread-8-The-Canonn/page650
^^ This is because when you remove the spacing between 136/227, you do it before the octal => dec conversion.
So you don't get 227 in the number. I hope it's clear enough. For the record, I do think that there is indeed a spacing
and that the alt way of reading it is not the correct one.
I don't think the three numbers in section 5 of the transmission represents coordinate for the system the UP is in.
First of all: They change depending on which planet the UP is next to, within the same system.
Second: The UAs have been mapping systems and local bodies for more than a year.
Third: When you receive a tight beam signal form space, you only need the distance to get the exact position. Direction is given.
Absolutely. But we have a game based on very physical, measurable, accurate (with tweaks), modeled Universe. We have things that should be persistent and/or predictable, left to the roll of a dice. Is that ok? Would you put up with "TQS aims his/her railguns at the cobra, which is meters in front.... rolls a 2! it misses!". No, if you're aiming point blank, you expect to hit, or at least if you miss for there to be a logical reason (angle etc) why you missed. Same with everything else. I fully expect there to be a probe at XX planet, because everyone else says it's there. I go there. for four hours. nothing. And that isn't nothing "because I flew past it or went to the wrong side of the planet", it's nothing because the dice says so. That's unacceptable.
Keep the dice for snakes and ladders, give us persistence and certainty (or at least predictability) in Elite. Anyway, all that's off-topic...
well, if we make things persistent that way, there would be no probe after being scooped the first time, but I get your point.
about the theories of the UP "finding" worlds, considering what it means to put a satellite in orbit I'm going to throw this bone: are you saying that the probes fly autonomously and they set themselfs in orbit of a body if they found it suitable? and then stop there not travelling anymore?
I can't come up with a proper theory for probes going to random systems without involving any kind of directive from whatever sent them, otherwise they would also be found in deep space looking for an ammonia planet and they will be in masse like the UA. once they found an ammonia planet and transmit the information they could also come back to the origin or move to another planet/system but no, they stay there. Also, this method doesn't prevent UP from accumulating in a system or getting lost when looking for ammonia worlds and not finding them in a system. how far can they travel? how can they travel and set themselfs in orbit?
I think the probes were left in orbit by someone or just left in the system by someone, and therefore they would not need to transmit the coords of the body (first case) or the system (second case) because they were left in that body or system on purpose.
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*tinfoil on* my personal guess is that if we decifer the coordinates we will be able to deduct the position of the "Thargoid Mothership" which I personally believe
is actually the transformed Tau Ceti Probe, where the remains of the lost have been integrated into the neuronal network of the AI - multiple schizophrenosis
The reference that this entity uses 5D coordinates even gives room for the speculation that the "Sun Dragon" which occurred at SOL & Tau ceti as well as the visitors are
in effect the same "ship" in different stages of evolution and side-timeline
edit: would yet also fit to MB´s comment "... the Allianz? They re the reason..."
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good thinking ilo. Being "glued" to an ammonia world is probably more games mechanics than objective, but it is strange that you only find them around ammonia worlds. If they are randomly wandering looking for these worlds, you would find them everywhere in the bubble. So it seems likely that they were specifically sent to these locations to report back. And that being the case, why would they transmit their location, as the source would know their location. Its a puzzler
Strange it is that we have found UPs and another transmission just few hours before the stream. Don't you think?
additional thought:
would also explain why UA/UP still looking for Merope - their originator(s) do not know about the Thargozoid, as they already were cut-off communications
Hence still fixed on Merope (as a former Thargoid World?) and didn´t find them, hence looking for Ammonia/Oxg life in general IN A 150LY bubble, as this is the distance the Thargoids could have moved using tech available to the AI (Sublight-flight) in the time since comm-cutoff.
would also explain why UA/UP still looking for Merope - their originator(s) do not know about the Thargozoid, as they already were cut-off communications
Hence still fixed on Merope (as a former Thargoid World?) and didn´t find them, hence looking for Ammonia/Oxg life in general IN A 150LY bubble, as this is the distance the Thargoids could have moved using tech available to the AI (Sublight-flight) in the time since comm-cutoff.
Last fraction less than one, in some cases more than one.
We need to understand is there some pattern or not or it can be just mistake in purs decoding
but i think there 14,255 is incorrect and must be 7.087 but it more than one...
Need more statistic data
PS I see some pattern but i don't see coordinates ... yet
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good thinking ilo. Being "glued" to an ammonia world is probably more games mechanics than objective, but it is strange that you only find them around ammonia worlds. If they are randomly wandering looking for these worlds, you would find them everywhere in the bubble. So it seems likely that they were specifically sent to these locations to report back. And that being the case, why would they transmit their location, as the source would know their location. Its a puzzler
Even if they have been left on purpose the receiver has to know which probe is reporting.
To ensure this you can:
A) have the probe transmit an identifier (probe 001, 002 etc.)
B) have the probe transmit its location
C) being able to determin its location by the direction of the message (unreliable given there could be more systems in between, therefore you'd need a second factor like 'time message travelled' to determin the exact location)
So either way, there has to be more data sent than just the scans if there is more than one probe.
Strange it is that we have found UPs and another transmission just few hours before the stream. Don't you think?
I seriously doubt that Ilo got a tip off from FD.
good thinking ilo. Being "glued" to an ammonia world is probably more games mechanics than objective, but it is strange that you only find them around ammonia worlds. If they are randomly wandering looking for these worlds, you would find them everywhere in the bubble. So it seems likely that they were specifically sent to these locations to report back. And that being the case, why would they transmit their location, as the source would know their location. Its a puzzler
Given that nobody has seen a UP or UA move, even when provoked, maybe they can't. Perhaps they are simply deployed in position via ship (why would you stick a drive in each one if you could simply drop them off?). Perhaps the makers want to monitor ammonia-rich worlds for signs of activity (maybe of thargoid activity). The UA shell and probes could be elements of an early warning / surveillance network set up to observe the Pleiades.
The problem with this theory - if you're concerned about interstellar threats, why would you build a surveillance network (the shell) that was only 10 or 15 LY thick, when the threat can and probably will just jump right through it? Unless UAs are somehow able to detect hyperspace jumps.
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which brings up the next thought:
Sublight flight - most important factor is the percentage of light-speed u can reach until u have to slow down again.
Might be that Group "0" is exactly this, e.g.
Pleiades Sector KC-U B3-1 8 0.979
PLEIADES SECTOR IR-W D1-55 6 0,996
which would conclude that the ref position (start point of UP / current location of AI ?) is more near to KC-U B3-1 8
if we get another 3 transscripts from different systems incl. Group 0 we should be able to calc the acceleration rate as well as the point
where the 5 spheres conclude in one point (on Cs 82)
Sublight flight - most important factor is the percentage of light-speed u can reach until u have to slow down again.
Might be that Group "0" is exactly this, e.g.
Pleiades Sector KC-U B3-1 8 0.979
PLEIADES SECTOR IR-W D1-55 6 0,996
which would conclude that the ref position (start point of UP / current location of AI ?) is more near to KC-U B3-1 8
if we get another 3 transscripts from different systems incl. Group 0 we should be able to calc the acceleration rate as well as the point
where the 5 spheres conclude in one point (on Cs 82)
Some people were asking for audio of a free floating probe around Merope 5c to compare to the convoy found probe audio we have, so here it is. Didn't notice any differences, but maybe there's something more subtle that I missed.
https://soundcloud.com/user-823287454/free-floating-probe-audio-merope-5c
Also just a heads up, the audio got really quiet when I converted it for whatever reason.
https://soundcloud.com/user-823287454/free-floating-probe-audio-merope-5c
Also just a heads up, the audio got really quiet when I converted it for whatever reason.
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I wouldn't try reading too much into the location of the video, as we've fixed the colour of the nearby nebula, so it looks different in 2.2.
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If it was a human faction scouting places for our Thargoid friends to come back and settle down, it would make sense. All the encoding and the guide on how to decode the information is for the benefit of the Thargoids
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