2.2 Reveal confirmed for gamescom

[Henkka77]

Here we go again.. You can skip straight to 0:30 as i didnt have time to edit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM0BBYq1sAU

 

[sirius42]

Continuing with the negative though (C'mon y'all you expect no less!)

firstly this is only NPC (fighter) pilots

Hey no problem i didnt expect a positive reply on my "negative" comment and It is harder to crack prejudice than an atom (@Einstein).

Yes what else then NPC fighters.

 

[D.G.Cerberus]

I'm not so sure, I've dabbled with the engineers very briefly, 95% of my time since engineers dropped has been in an unmodded ship, I have died once in that time.

I'm with you there: only done mods in the last week (I mission hobo'd around a while and kept an eye on mats accumulation. Then noted what blue prints of the 4 engineers I had access to from day one had of interest (no surprises as to what they were naturally) then waited for the right commods to be given as mission reward (or purchased them) and made the changes.
It was nice that by the time I did this, they had vastly reduced the mats and commods needed for mod xyz so didn't feel at all grindy, and burning copious quantities of Nickel and Phosphorus to rank up was easy.
Even now still not touched weapons in anger - a few Gd1 efficient weapons is all, just worked on FSD range and Shield boosters.

And on the other point. I died once since 2.1 - mainly because I couldn't get my 'Conda out from underneath the Elite 'Conda who had taken all my shields in seconds then proceed to decide to "rub" me! - and this was in the period with the instakill NPC modded weapons. I didn't complain, and was pleasantly surprised that FD chose to refund all insurance losses in that particular period.

I am of course talking PvE here, don't think un-modded ships would get on too well in PvP!

 

[Moonax IRL]

Even though I just made a post explaining how nobody needs 2.1 to criticise it? If I came across as a fanboy that's your poor reading skills not my inability to explain myself which I've done countlessly. Is it my fault if you don't pay attention and make assumptions or is that your fault?

My comprehension is fine, you did come across as a fanboy so maybe you did it unconsciously but you expressed as much in your the post. If you think you can assess something w/o trying it out yourself then all I can say is you are a very special person and your skills should be in high demand, maybe give CR a shout.

 

[Jex =TE=]

If this poster is saying he ignored me because I 'can't make a simple argument' and then posts the above with a straight face, I do actually think he made a wise choice in ignoring me. If someone is willing to be spoon-fed their opinion by someone posting videos on youtube with all of the editorialising that is inherent to that process rather than forming their own opinions based on experience, but is then happy to suggest that the issue is actually that I'm not capable of making 'a simple argument' I'm never going to be able to compete with those levels of delusionary thinking.

I'd have thought that my 1,500 posts might have given him a clue as to whether I read the forums or not though.

What we have here is yet another player who is able to dismiss anybody who doesn't share his blinkered view of the game as being either a fanboy, or simply too stupid to understand what is wrong. Again, perhaps if he didn't have me on ignore he may have seen some of the posts in which I raised reasonable criticism of some aspects of the engineers updates, same as I've raised reasonable criticisms of other aspects of the game. I have to assume he's more comfortable sobbing away in his echo chamber than facing reality.

It looks as though I don't have you on my ignore list, my brain got used to filtering out your nonsensical posts though. No, you don't read the forums, you make massivley bad arguments and then refuse to listen to anyone else's opinion - that's why I just ignore what you have to say.

Let's take a look at your latest assertion....

If someone is willing to be spoon-fed their opinion by someone posting videos on youtube with all of the editorialising that is inherent to that process rather than forming their own opinions based on experience, but is then happy to suggest that the issue is actually that I'm not capable of making 'a simple argument' I'm never going to be able to compete with those levels of delusionary thinking.

OK so massive issues here. Massive assumptions so the fact that this is your best retort makes it clear that if anyone is being spoon fed here, it's you. This is based on the fact that you make up anything to fit your goal so you'll listen to anything that confirms your bias.

So first off, since you don't know me or what I have read or watched how do you know I've been spoon fed? On what evidence do you claim to know this? Now after that, you're making up the content I've wtached too that being "editorialised" - do you even realise your making a straw man here of obvious proportions? So since you don't know what I've read OR watched you are in no position to make up that i've been "spoonfed" or what I've watched was "edited" (and for what purpose - now you're a conspiracy theorist? I bet you think "chemtrails" are real lol)

So, we have me on this side of the fence using logic and evidence to base my observations on and raise concerns and on the other side, there's you making stuff up and you're calling me delusional? 1500 posts and you still know nothing. There's a reason I gloss over your posts and never take them seriously because they're all like what you posted - all attacking the person and simply cannot form a coherent argument and on top of that, has to make up stuff to try and make a point - that's pretty shameful behaviour tbh.

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My comprehension is fine, you did come across as a fanboy so maybe you did it unconsciously but you expressed as much in your the post. If you think you can assess something w/o trying it out yourself then all I can say is you are a very special person and your skills should be in high demand, maybe give CR a shout.

That being the case you'll be able to produce quotes of my obvious fanboyism...

 

[Theodrid]

It looks as though I don't have you on my ignore list, my brain got used to filtering out your nonsensical posts though. No, you don't read the forums, you make massivley bad arguments and then refuse to listen to anyone else's opinion - that's why I just ignore what you have to say.

Let's take a look at your latest assertion....



OK so massive issues here. Massive assumptions so the fact that this is your best retort makes it clear that if anyone is being spoon fed here, it's you. This is based on the fact that you make up anything to fit your goal so you'll listen to anything that confirms your bias.

So first off, since you don't know me or what I have read or watched how do you know I've been spoon fed? On what evidence do you claim to know this? Now after that, you're making up the content I've wtached too that being "editorialised" - do you even realise your making a straw man here of obvious proportions? So since you don't know what I've read OR watched you are in no position to make up that i've been "spoonfed" or what I've watched was "edited" (and for what purpose - now you're a conspiracy theorist? I bet you think "chemtrails" are real lol)

So, we have me on this side of the fence using logic and evidence to base my observations on and raise concerns and on the other side, there's you making stuff up and you're calling me delusional? 1500 posts and you still know nothing. There's a reason I gloss over your posts and never take them seriously because they're all like what you posted - all attacking the person and simply cannot form a coherent argument and on top of that, has to make up stuff to try and make a point - that's pretty shameful behaviour tbh.

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That being the case you'll be able to produce quotes of my obvious fanboyism...

Just about everything you have just stated there requires you to look in the mirror for the biggest culprit of those things rather than waving your stick at others, seriously.

 

[Evoflash]

Please can all the children's forum-spats be moved to another thread....

 

[Ian Phillips]

This is all getting too personal.

Please remember to reply to the points made, and not make assumptions about the poster. Thank you - all.

 

[Jason S]

whilst this is possible, if so then really the guys out there doing the stream really should get slapped knuckes, as they all know how much we (as in the forum users, i cant speak for the whole player base) want npc crew - iirc the last poll was up at 80% would choose npc crew over meat suit even, and that is not counting those who prefer multplayer crew but can see the use of npc crew.... so, if it is just the mini fighters flying themselves - something we have known about since ship fighters were announced ages ago, then them making a big deal "teasing" us with npc crew would be cruel TBH, they could have said nothing and no one would have been that dissapointed.

So i am going to stick my neck out and say this afternoon we will find out about proper npc crew of some description. and not just our ship flying itsself when we are in a drone or vice versa.

Seems we got 2D pics of npc crew that will not sit in the seat next to us as we are only solo players, perhaps one day, but I suppose they did already say that at Lavecon.

Still the actual ship launched fighters are cool and the fact that my 2D pilot hire can fly it is a plus.

 

[Maruun]

Continuing with the negative though (C'mon y'all you expect no less!), firstly this is only NPC (fighter) pilots, not navigators, copilots, engineers, maintenance techs, chef, medical crew etc. that was implied in the large crew rosters in FFE ships. I'm also concerned that the ability to order your fighter around will be pointed to as a replacement for the ability to hire AI wings, and order them around. I'd much rather have the latter, than the former.

But the idea of advancing your hireable NPC pilot is certainly a step in the right direction.

I agree to this, people are already building again their dream together. Its only NPC Pilots so far, if at all NPC crew will arrive we will see with 2.3 and Multicrew because then it gets relevant, until then keep your expectation on a healthy level please.

The thing is they atleast have some groundwork for NPC wing commands that you can give your figher pilot. And they have a framework for technical fullblown NPC crew...but again wait until its complelty disclosed for it to happen...even a wage system for NPC that could also be used for players that multicrew a ship...soo yeah alot of blanks that can be filled...but its for FD to fill them.

 

[Lobstris]

I agree to this, people are already building again their dream together. Its only NPC Pilots so far, if at all NPC crew will arrive we will see with 2.3 and Multicrew because then it gets relevant, until then keep your expectation on a healthy level please.

Oh. I'm quite clear these days on my level of expectations from Elite. And to be fair, it's one heck of a game that I've got my share of entertainment and value from even if no further features were added beyond what we have today.

The thing is they atleast have some groundwork for NPC wing commands that you can give your figher pilot. And they have a framework for technical fullblown NPC crew...but again wait until its complelty disclosed for it to happen...even a wage system for NPC that could also be used for players that multicrew a ship...soo yeah alot of blanks that can be filled...but its for FD to fill them.

And that's what I'm hoping. The groundwork looks to be in, ready for expansion in the future. I reserve the right to carp on about its future expansion on the forums though.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Updates, get your Gamescom updates

 

[Jex =TE=]

That's a fanboy statement if there ever was one, nothing about the money ploughed into SC and their pay to win system, plus the fact this so called "alpha" has been in development for years.

LMAO - that's a fanboy statement (put's on Mac's vocie from worthabuy....)

Guys?...guys????.......

I'm not prepared to even discuss a game that isn't finished yet - nobody in their right mind would do that. I don't keep up with SC that much, I'll dip in every now and then to take a look but considering the stuff they're putting in to work on day one how long do you think game development must take?

So go on then, why should we be discussing an unfinished game with bigger goals than either ED or NMS? Where is that going to get us when we're talking about Elite Dangerous? How is it relevent to a completely different game?

When Goat Simulator 2 comes out, are you going to be referencing Star Citizen? "Well I don't like the way this GS is going...", "OMGZ don't you dare talk about GS like that when Star Citizen is pay to win and isn't finished yet!!!"

Who cares about how much money people have paid into it if at the end of it all, they produce a great game? How does me saying the game is in alpha make me a fanboy?

I can't take you seriously if that's your arguemnt, sorry

 

[Theodrid]

LMAO - that's a fanboy statement (put's on Mac's vocie from worthabuy....)

Guys?...guys????.......

I'm not prepared to even discuss a game that isn't finished yet - nobody in their right mind would do that. I don't keep up with SC that much, I'll dip in every now and then to take a look but considering the stuff they're putting in to work on day one how long do you think game development must take?

So go on then, why should we be discussing an unfinished game with bigger goals than either ED or NMS? Where is that going to get us when we're talking about Elite Dangerous? How is it relevent to a completely different game?

When Goat Simulator 2 comes out, are you going to be referencing Star Citizen? "Well I don't like the way this GS is going...", "OMGZ don't you dare talk about GS like that when Star Citizen is pay to win and isn't finished yet!!!"

Who cares about how much money people have paid into it if at the end of it all, they produce a great game? How does me saying the game is in alpha make me a fanboy?

I can't take you seriously if that's your arguemnt, sorry

But you are more than willing to discuss, sorry dismiss everything post 1.6 that you have not tried and everything in 2.2 that nobody has tried?

 

[Moonax IRL]

We need to stop making excuses for FD because of staff or money. They have money, they have staff. NMS can make a game with 15 people. Same can be said for The Forest.

As for SC, people need to stop talking about that. The game is in alpha - if people can't except that it shows they know nothing and aren't entitled to any opinion. SC is going for a much larger goal than either NMS or ED so no wonder it's taking that much longer to make. That still doesn't mean it'll be any good - it could suck massively.

FD wasted their dev time on CQC, PP and Eng which is factual given the first 2 hardly anybody plays and the last one...well, we all saw the massive fallout from that! With missions still bugged and shallow repetitive game mechanics all on top of that, what is everybody playing that's IN the game and not something they had to make up BECAUSE of the game?

That being the case you'll be able to produce quotes of my obvious fanboyism...

Your previous outlined statement is a fanboy comment if there ever was, such unquestioning belief is not healthy given the 100`s of millions poured into SC and it been in "alpha" for years plus missing deadline after deadline. Not to mention its pay to win system.

Edit- had to re-post as original deleted for some reason.

 

[nrage]

Does anyone know whether there is a published list of winners for the competitions. I've missed a couple of winner announcements and I don't want to miss out if I have won - which I doubt, but still.

 

[Sans Daring]

LMAO - that's a fanboy statement (put's on Mac's vocie from worthabuy....)
I'm not prepared to even discuss a game that isn't finished yet - nobody in their right mind would do that.

.. and yet Elite is in a permanent state of development, and that can be discussed, particularly sections you're not even using?

I'm sorry, you really need to stop now, you're dominating this thread with arguments that should relate to a season update for a season you've not invested for. Common sense and ettiquette. Two cents is fine, but every other post being perpetuated surely seems a little rude now. Let people talk about 2.2, not your opinions on a season you've yet to participate in. Good lord, I'd be a little alarmed if I was dominating this thread and I was in the 2.0 season...

On topic: Still not happy about the NPC crew lol. Just read the keynotes. Too few ships with fighter capacity to enjoy using a crew or fighters. In itself it's great, but I was really hoping that NPCs would give all players something to look forward to! Oh well. The minor stuff still looks positive. Planets and navigation.

 

[Moonax IRL]

LMAO - that's a fanboy statement (put's on Mac's vocie from worthabuy....)

Guys?...guys????.......

I'm not prepared to even discuss a game that isn't finished yet - nobody in their right mind would do that. I don't keep up with SC that much, I'll dip in every now and then to take a look but considering the stuff they're putting in to work on day one how long do you think game development must take?

So go on then, why should we be discussing an unfinished game with bigger goals than either ED or NMS? Where is that going to get us when we're talking about Elite Dangerous? How is it relevent to a completely different game?

When Goat Simulator 2 comes out, are you going to be referencing Star Citizen? "Well I don't like the way this GS is going...", "OMGZ don't you dare talk about GS like that when Star Citizen is pay to win and isn't finished yet!!!"

Who cares about how much money people have paid into it if at the end of it all, they produce a great game? How does me saying the game is in alpha make me a fanboy?

I can't take you seriously if that's your arguemnt, sorry

You can't be taken seriously in any form if you think you can properly assess something w/o personally playing it yourself, that's what is utterly ridiculous about your post.

 

[Alec Turner]

Updates, get your Gamescom updates

Brilliant, just brilliant (missed today's streams so I needed a catch-up).

Does anyone know anything more about the capital ship dockyard? That looks pretty stunning. Does it imply we can get to own capital ships maybe or is it just decorative?

 

[D.G.Cerberus]

Updates, get your Gamescom updates

Thanks for this:
Quick question - was there any mention of HOW your ship flies if you decide to pilot the SLF other than "using turrets" if it has them??
So, if no turrets, will it manoeuvre in any way tactically/ evasive etc with no firepower or will it be a dead stick with no firepower?

I get the feeling the plan is it will sit there like a capital ship completely immobile just using turrets.....??

And secondly, from what I see from your update you can only Launch one SLF (based on the 3 NPC crew but 2 on a "break") - yet you can carry up to 16....
If I had, say 3 SLFs and I was concerned enough to launch them I would want to launch ALL of them!