The difference is simple. The people defending it are, rightly, pointing out that they are playing within established game rules and using the game mechanics in a proactive manner to affect change on the game world. You, on the other hand, are wanting to repeal an entire game mechanic, one of the only actual player-drive pieces of content in the entire game, just so that you won't have to be mildly inconvenienced every so often.
To all you player groups UA bombing places like Robigo and Sothis...
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Actually you started the thread with demand people stop doing something the demanding Devs change the game so they cannot.
You are the one insisting your play experience in a shared multiplier back with a shared background sim and a shared rule set, must take precedent over everyone else, and the rules should be changed to accommodate you.
I am saying "No don't change the rules, everyone plays by the same set of rules."
When you say "I want I demand" the reply is "NO"
Do you bring them in Open, or do you mode switch if the going gets tough? If it's the former and you stick to that even if you suffer losses, then i think that's cool...if its the latter, I'm not too impressed.
So far I've stayed out of the conflict, but I have to admit, coming out there to play some cat & mouse with you guys sounds like a lot of fun...but I only play in Open.
Open only
Since when did I say I was against PvP? I don't initiate it but I mostly enjoy it when it happens to me. You're totally misinterpreting what I'm saying.
It's perfectly ok to indulge in adversarial play. Take on another player or another player group on even terms and win or lose - GREAT. Act like a jerk and an idiot , not so much.
Sending a station into lockdown by diligent BGS work and shutting down services that way is fine. So is UA-bombing. Doing any of that for a valid in-game reason is perfectly ok. Doing it to be an ass to other players is not. Most of the folks advocating it on here seem to be doing it to make some kind of statement to FD or to shut down a kind of gameplay that they somehow don't approve of.
So yes, that makes them asses. They are playing like asses and they ARE asses.
Wrong. Other players are changing my game experience. But there's an easy way to fix that: Add a flag to solo that overrides the station shutdown. Bam. Suddenly I'm not impacting anyone else's game experience. They can still shut down stations in open, but I can continue playing the way I want in solo. They stop being able to deny me a game experience. And yeah, I am denying them the game experience of ing me off. How selfish of me.
Right on, as it should be. I've used Sothis & Ceos to build a fortune, but I've always had a rule I've never broken: only fly in and out of there just like you do everywhere else in the galaxy; in Open. Regardless of consequence.
Oh well, my insanely modified (and golden painted!) FdL is presently sitting at Cubeo. I guess I could fit it with a cargo scanner tonight and start making my way out there. Anything to help put an end to all the tearing of hair and gnashing of teeth from all these helpless little truckers...
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Well, I am working in IT industry for almost 30 years. Based on my real life experience, peoples who are playing FPS games (or especially PvP MMORPGs) are not all "jerks" in real-life.
Correct ratio is something like 80-20 or maybe 90-10. The minority are mainly serious e-sporters, pro-gamers etc. who are generally cool guys/girls in real life. But the wast majority....
Seriously, no one who is normal in real life do not need to kill other peoples either directly or virtually. And even wast majority of real life killers (I mean real criminals) is not killing just for fun.
Yeah, what was that all about? You'd think after the first failure of Ed to get 96 THOUSAND control points to take Sothis, they might have figured out what a stupid goal it was. But no, they came roaring back at it. Twice now?
"We choose to take this system, hundreds of light years from all our supposedly independent influence, not because it is easy, but because it is impossible; because there is no other money anywhere in the universe, and because we don't understand power play".
-Special Edders
I have over 1500 hours in the game. I've been playing since release. I made my first billion bounty hunting and that was well into the end of that first year. The only profit i have made from powerplay was the last week I was in the bubble before heading out to Jaques and then to Beagle Point. In Powerplay I did nothing but fortify outside of a couple of our notorious expansions. I fortified the 50mil and much more every cycle i was there in the bubble and I did that for 51 weeks. I traded up to Tycoon 0% and stopped because I find space trucking to be more boring than mining. Though I eventually will do some means of trade to hit triple elite when i get back.
I am totally not against the UA bombing. I'm for it. If people are having more fun watching the world burn then go for it. it's one of the options you have to choose. If FD doesn't like the direction the players are choosing to go, they can certainly make changes. But cry about it? That just illustrates a lack of understanding what the game is that you're playing. There are no good guys, there are no bad guys. There are no good factions or bad factions. Nobody is innocent. Nobody is safe. There are gradients to these things and all you can do is cater to your own strong points and do what you can.
And yes, sitting in a station and accruing missions until your single jump and dock activity nets you 16 mill is insane / obscene. But yea... if you're measuring 10 hours as significant in a game like ED then you're not playing the right game. It's a multi-year game. Most of the content isn't even available yet. If 10 hours is a lot to you then perhaps you need to rethink what kind of game you're playing. While it may take me days ..sometimes week to accrue 10 hours of gameplay, i still dont see it as significant when i'll be playing 5 years from now.
But as for your question, I try and keep around a couple hundred million in the bank ..just in case. Not usually much more than that because up until this exploration jaunt, i spent all my money on PP fortification. And all my income has come from bounty hunting.
I think part of the issues is there seems to be a binary view
Either the UA bombing is legitimate and they are okay people
Or they are Jerks and the UA Bombing is bad
It could be that UA Bombing is a valid use of the BGS, but the motives in this case are not good.
But bad motives by one group being jerks is not a reason to remove UA bombing entirely
So the people UA bombing S C & R sole for meta game reasons after they themselves use S C & R doesn't speak well of their character
But changes is the BGS be it lockdown and UA bombing reducing earning or Boom increasing earnings are valid BGS effects in a shared world where all the rules apply to everyone, so not a justification for the OP to demand people change or the Dev change the rules just for him so he is never mildly effected
Both parties are wrong
That's not true though, unless they completely separated the BGS. While I don't think the way the UA bombers have largely behaved on the forums is at all justifiable in this case, there is a legitimate argument that credits can currently be used to have a substantial impact on the BGS and being able to get around blocking actions and continue to impact the BGS despite efforts to counter in solo would break the BGS pretty significantly. Part of having a living universe is that it is living. It isn't really something that can go both ways, but it can be balanced much better and have better penalties for bad acting. Sad fact is that many people aren't jerks simply because they don't want people to treat them like a jerk. You need that same mechanism in a game that allows such behavior and need to have things balanced to be able to counter aggressive actions or things can go sideways quickly, which is what we see happening here.
I don't need to say anything to the people supporting UA bombing, because a lot of people have said it eloquently enough already.
Like this guy:
I am not against manipulating the BGS.
But this was a deliberate attack at some people's way of playing this game; For LOLs and whatever. Any attempt at wording it differently is a lie. And that is what I have a problem with.
I suppose I am just too naive in my faith in people when I let myself get this disappointed in others' toxic behavior.
Like this guy:
I am not against manipulating the BGS.
But this was a deliberate attack at some people's way of playing this game; For LOLs and whatever. Any attempt at wording it differently is a lie. And that is what I have a problem with.
I suppose I am just too naive in my faith in people when I let myself get this disappointed in others' toxic behavior.
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That would not be sharing the BGS, that is changing the rules to give you a special experience.
Again, why should you be special and get your own rule set?
Everyone else plays with the same BGS, why do you get your own?
Diolch yn fawr
There is a lot of wrong in being a jerk. We're better than our ancestors. Mine were about evenly divided between being manx and welsh. I'd go with the manx attitude, which is the only place in the world that nordics and celts both colonized it and DIDNT fight. They kinda met in the middle and said "If your folks found out we were here they'd raid us" "Well if your folks found WE were here they'd raid us too!" "OK, let's just not tell them... "
I have no problem with people messing with random stations. There are plenty of stations. However, people are targeting stations of which there are only a few, that support a certain game mechanic those people disagree with.
They're doing it to deny me the gameplay I enjoy.
Every other type of gameplay example you can come up with, even PVP griefing, is a choice people sign up for. Everybody chooses to expose themselves to that when they click on the open button, and if they decide they don't want it, they can always switch to solo or mobius.
In general, my feeling on this matter is just general disgust with people who go "We dont like that OTHER players are making so much money at robigo and sothis! Let's shut em down!!"
I'm just a little confused with the "We own Ceos and Sothis BWAHAHA!" comment.
Ceos certainly seems to be cranky but there's nothing wrong with Sothis, I've run about 30 millions worth from there to the bubble in open today without any trouble at all.
I've only started doing these long range runs in the last couple of days, I'm enjoying it.
Ceos certainly seems to be cranky but there's nothing wrong with Sothis, I've run about 30 millions worth from there to the bubble in open today without any trouble at all.
I've only started doing these long range runs in the last couple of days, I'm enjoying it.
Nope, their reasons have been clearly stated, and have nothing to do with lore or any in-game stuff, really. They simply want to cause an uproar. Salt, as they call it. And it worked, apparently. If folks had just shrugged and moved on to another location without all this forum drama, they'd probably have gotten bored and found something else to do. Ironic
It gives me something to read while eating lunch, though.