2.2's Instant Ship and Module Transport - Yay or Nay?
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You can always imagine that you hired a bunch of NPCs and they was flying at the same time as you. And you just told them the exact station name where they should land.
Better still... We can all imagine we're playing Elite IV and not this pos.
THIS is how it should be done!
Come on, Frontier, like all stars in the galaxy showing up on the galaxy map from the beginning can't be rectified anymore now because many players have already grown used to it (something Michael Brookes admitted some time ago wasn't handled as good as it should have been!), this will be very hard to fix afterwards, when people already got used to instant ship transfer. Do it right now, before the window of opportunity closes!
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I think everyone is OK with ship transfers. The only contraversy is that are instantaneous. And how this breaks immersion and the whole purpose of having ships with different jump ranges.
Maybe its just the way i see the game being developed, if something gets added most at the time i see it as a "work in progress" that has the basic work done, but open for more felshing out later when it getrs possible or relevant.
Missionsystem beta bare bone not much going on, fleshed out with every patch 2.1 whole rework for it, the same with the USS and nav beacon mechanics.
I dont have a problem for it getting a timer that tries to make you "belief" in something that is essentially just a timer on a clock...you could setup on your desk yourself and wait it out for immersion....people walk in RPGs sometimes for immersion reasons too.
Of course its "unreal" its also a quick dirty way in doing it just for it to be their.
I mentioned it before but if i remember correctly in the Elite Universe there are also giant transport ships able to hyperjump vast distances not able to dock with stations that transfer their cargo through smaller ships. Those giant ships, if they ever make it into the game. Would be the perfect blender for ship transfer mechanics to the point where only waiting some minutes would make sense, and you would have a viewable thing that happens that transfers your ship.
Yes more viewable background simulation is the key for immersion, but at this point its pointless to have a timer that has no other meaning then letting you wait, as if people arent complaining about enough in ED to wait for.
Who knows maybe they change it a bit up and have time to flesh it out until beta.
People trying to tell me a X minute timer makes the difference of the earth being orbited by the sun or the other way around...
Ship transport is excellent.
Instantaneous is ridiculously bad.
I'll really be able to fly all the way to Jaques Station, 22,000 LY away - which takes 6-12 game hours, depending on jump range... and then instantly cast "Summon Ship" and have ALL my ships there? In seconds?
Get out of here!
Instantaneous is ridiculously bad.
I'll really be able to fly all the way to Jaques Station, 22,000 LY away - which takes 6-12 game hours, depending on jump range... and then instantly cast "Summon Ship" and have ALL my ships there? In seconds?
Get out of here!
It should take the same time it takes to travel normally. Someone is effectively doing it for you. They've already added FTL that reduces travel times down to hours instead of centuries.
why not just have a lobby where you can log in, why bother with all the flying around stuff?
Go instantly to CG 1
Go instantly to CG 2
Go instantly to friend X
That would make that game so much better right, RIGHT?
New CG starts: Fly your fast jump ship over there to "register" and then call your combat / mining / whatever ship. It will be ready for you next day so your limited play hours are not impacted by the 5 hours of RL time required for the npc Jason Statham to transport your FDL over for you.
NPC couriers should take the strain out of being able to participate. I don't see a benefit in making all transport immediate once your pathfinder is there.
How about ship transport can only be between certain specified "hub" stations. So you can get around, but still have to do some of the flying manually? Or (at least for now) put a range limit to stop the whole Jaques / Beagle / Sag A space shrink?
NPC couriers should take the strain out of being able to participate. I don't see a benefit in making all transport immediate once your pathfinder is there.
How about ship transport can only be between certain specified "hub" stations. So you can get around, but still have to do some of the flying manually? Or (at least for now) put a range limit to stop the whole Jaques / Beagle / Sag A space shrink?
Currently it's stated as instant by the team - others have come up with the idea that the pattern is 3D printed to a fashion ie instantly manufactured (how does that work?) where are all the raw materials coming from, would there be a transport limit to a station based on materials available? taken from shipyard stock like for like (every ship available at every ship yard then?) just bhow big is the station.
To many questions raised by this, proper travel times of original ships to station or via transporter behemoth would be better IMHO
To many questions raised by this, proper travel times of original ships to station or via transporter behemoth would be better IMHO
Lurker here. Been playing elite since September 2015, and I agree, insta teleport is immersion breaking. My thought would have been, make transport convoys of large hauler escorted by six to eight fighters. Make its jump range dependent on the weight of the cargo, I mean that is what we have to do. Then make a fee associated with it, such as half the insurance fee of each ship transported. Can't be free. So if you have to travel 200ly, let it take as long as it would take us, an hour or two, traveling at 20ly per jump plus time to fuel scoop. This would open up possibilities for player escorts, or pirate raids. The more the value of the cargo, the better quality and quantity of escorts.
Of course that is just my idea.
Of course that is just my idea.
I agree with you, just with one little exception - in the games, strict consistency may be dangerous. I think there is important to differentiate "obvious inconsistency" and "hidden minor inconsistency". For example, in this case - instant ship transfer is obvious inconsistency and judging from this thread it's something that many players aren't able to accept (me included). On the other side, instant module transfers from a module storage from a different station in outfitting is also inconsistent, but it is something that is not so obvious and I dare to say it's something that most players wouldn't mind (because it's not so obvious and because it may turn into the huge annoyance in form of a ship locking while waiting until the modules are transferred). Another example may be the AFM unit - it somehow "magically", using nanotechnology or whatever repairs your (even seriously) damaged ship components and most players probably doesn't care how it works. But, when they now mentioned that ship fighters can be 3D printed on your ship, it sounds pretty unbelievable even it may work on the very same principle. I believe it's simply not something that may be set in stone by the game design rules, but the game designer must apply some common sense and ask all the time: "Will be this feature accepted as plausible in our universe or it breaks the perceived experience?"
Frankly that post has been a long time coming, see up to how ED's forum has been a thorny bush for suggestions and well, seeing the locals get the shoe on the other foot and associated hypocrisy has had me in stitches. It might be too much to hope for that this might teach the locals that Frontier isn't the way and the path and holding them to better standards should be a thing, but I'll hope nonetheless. If it doesn't, I'll keep playing bingo with the list
You can always imagine that you hired a bunch of NPCs and they was flying at the same time as you. And you just told them the exact station name where they should land.
Thanks but no.
I can imagine a lot of things. I can't imagine why a game which is adding stuff like realistic white dwarfs would also add instant transportation for starships. Not even Star Trek went that far.
When The Superpower War™ starts there's no need for the Imperials to dispatch a fleet to the frontlines. Just send over a Hauler, put the kettle on and then beam over an army of Cutters in time for tea and battle.
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I would prefer a more nuanced system many here are advocating where the time wait depended on the ship being moved. The 1min/50LY was just a simplification to make it easier for Frontier to implement. Because I'm sure that half the reason it's instantaneous is because of how much easier that is to program and implement.
why 1min/50 LY? Because that's about how fast I can go on average in my slowest ship with jumponium boosts, if route plotting allowed it.
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