They didn't stick to half of the things they intended to since day one, you think one more broken "promise" makes a jot of difference now? -_^
2.2's Instant Ship and Module Transport - Yay or Nay?
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They didn't stick to half of the things they intended to since day one, you think one more broken "promise" makes a jot of difference now? -_^
EXACTLY! Frontier please take note. Personally, I don't care if you only implement a short delay in delivery instead of a longer more appropriate timeframe, but for it to be instant is, in my opinion, not the way to go. Please reconsider this very carefully, BEFORE you implement.
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You can always imagine that you hired a bunch of NPCs and they was flying at the same time as you. And you just told them the exact station name where they should land.
But that's the terrible thing about it: To introduce such an awesome, much asked-for feature like ship transport, and then - in the guise of "gameplay reasons trump everything" - it is implemented in a way that it's nearly an "in-your-face" exploit in it's own: who would make the effort to fly anywhere in anything but their highest-jumprange ship anymore, if you basically take along your whole fleet to whereever you go? If you'd at least consider how long it would take to get a ship delivered to you, there would remain some strategy about how you manage your ships. After the update, all ships have practically same jump-range as your highest-jumprange explorer. That's a big exploit to me, makes FSDs on anything but the Asp and the Anaconda nearly obsolete.
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Agreed, I like a lot of what FD have planned for 2.2 (so far), but the repercussions, potential exploits and immersion-breakage from instant transportation isn't on my 'like' list.
I am advocating for a travel time based delay. That would be variable depending on the distance. Not an arbitrary 8 minutes. Not sure why you didn't read my post. It wasn't that long.
This.
The difference between good sci fi and utter pap is technical consistency.
We accept silly stuff, so long as it is justified, consistent and the universe is thought out around it.
If we can teleport stuff why are we hauling cargo. if we can just replicate anything, why are Engineers special... and why i there even still a currency system?
I think this thread has gone very sensible. It is to make 2.2 better, to show people opinions (and to not bash, but be respectable to other voices).
As i said, for me it is not deal breaker (i understand both sides). I would prefer little timer, but mostly i'm glad that this new feature is added to the game. Update 2.2 is shaping up to be great.
I'm ok with this, but i'd prefer if there was a delay of 1 min per jump, and the ship has to be capable of making the journey as well (at least in terms of plotting a route), so no ability to downgrade the FSD to a 1E on a combat ship to squeeze a little extra performance out of it.
This would mean if you travelled to Jacques and then called a ship, it would take several hours to arrive but seems fine to me.
This would mean if you travelled to Jacques and then called a ship, it would take several hours to arrive but seems fine to me.
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Some I can live with others I can not, it's my opinion, you see I don't threaten to quit, or say that the game is doomed, just that I really don't like this idea and I raise my concern. Sure FD can do whatever they feel like, its their game when it comes to it, however some of us here are spending a lot of time in ED so maybe, just maybe they should take another look at it. This was discussed before in Alpha, and nowhere was it supposed to be instant. How the ships got there was kind of in the air as magical.
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You mentioned nothing about varying the travel time based on the capabilities of the asset in question. You simply said "1 minute per 50 LY... no longer than 8 minutes".
My point is that doesn't jive with your magical FDL argument. Nor does it jive with ships that have limited fuel, etc.
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You can always imagine that you hired a bunch of NPCs and they was flying at the same time as you. And you just told them the exact station name where they should land.
And then I can pretend that I'm only flying this Anaconda every where because i like to and not because that's the fastest thing to do? Even though I kinda hate the Anaconda?
I already resent the Asp because it is most viable long range ship. Now I can resent the Anaconda too? Sounds like a fun plan.
To be fair, I believe the reason why we are getting ship transport right now is the fact that "ship teleportation" does not involve much development. We click a button, money is deducted, and ship location is changed from one station to another. Simulating the actual voyage of ships would probably be a bit more complicated than this. So the DEVs decided for the quick and easy solution, to get this feature out sooner.
In my personal opinion, I dislike the instant teleportation of ships quite much, feels very cheesy. But I also dislike the even cheesier "flying spaceship factories" we're getting with SLFs, and many other "gamey" bits we have been getting here and there. So I end up accepting than some sillyness is inevitable to keep some type of the players happy.
Its like the seeds in the watermellon. One needs to put up with the seeds, to be able to enjoy the watermellon. As long as there is much more watermellon than seeds, it becomes bearable. Although FD have been adding more and more seeds..
On the other hand, ship transportation is a feature I wished very very much. So as much it stings me, I am willing to have some seeds if it means I finally get this particular watermellon.
But it will not be mandatory to do it. It will be an option, if I understand it correctly.
So, from my point of view, there is no change. If I will want to travel the old fashioned way I can. And NPCs are instantly spawned since the beginning of the game in various ships, not only in Asps and Condas and I think they will stay the same. So, no change for me or for my gameplay. Only a bonus of an option to use the transport if it will be necessary. And probably it will never be really necessary, especially if the trasport will cost something like hundreds of thousands Credits or similar.
You mean the bit he wrote about being ANYWHERE IN THE BUBBLE...
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I speak in general terms, ED's forum is easily among the most hostile to suggestions (seriously, it makes Linux dev mailing lists look nice and wooly), and the only time people get up in arms is when they're on the wrong side of a change, like this one. That amuses me no end because I find it entirely hypocritical, you lot don't listen to suggestions, and simply dole out the form reasons I put up in that list (I can play bingo with it) yet the moment Frontier put in a QoL change that might benefit most people NOT on this forum - THE SKY IS FALLING. That's what gets me.
Again, Alpha was then, this is now, and my point about the forums being a vocal minority holds true, this change is likely being made to make the game more accessible to people "not" on the forums. In which case whatever is said or done here isn't going to matter -at all-, they've made the calculation, decided the wailing and gnashing of teeth is worth the cost, and got on with it.
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Can't rep you more mate, but I agree.
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