UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

[rizal72]

Hello people,

Could someone explain how to reproduce the spectrograms found in the head of thread ?
Like this one : http://rsln.net/random/data-anim-hires.gif

It's interesting, and I wanted to reproduce it myself with some spectrogram tools but I'm missing something important.

Download Sonic Visualizer, open the audio file with it, create a spectrogram layer from the top menu, and voilà.
You could need to set the scale to logarithmic instead of linear to see the circle round.
You can do it very easily from the tabs on the right.

Others use Audacity, but it is a little harder to use.

Cheers

 

[Sergio Smegolia]

Right, I've been away quite a while (literally, half way round the planet!) and I've tried to keep up with the thread but hell, I do have a life (and beer to drink ) Fortunately I've been around since the start so I'm used to it, but a noob? Yes, it could be off-putting.

Anyways, back on topic. Regarding the 28th hunt, we need to find the bounty hunter. Could this be where the next clue is given?...

Just a thought. And apologies if already spotted, I haven't seen it anywhere.

Smeg

 

[LordZoltan]

But a single thread posting up 20 or more pages a day is useless, unless you give up playing the game and only read the thread! (Yes, this is me since the UPs were found and the hullabaloo started, think between this thread and RL I've had a total of 3 hours gameplay in over two weeks)

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This!!!!!

I just get really good at scanning the rubbish; except when I'm the one posting it

 

[CookieJarviz]

You can't progress the hunt yet - you need to wait until it starts.

Michael

What about the bounty hunter? Can we find them? or do we have to wait till the 28th?

 

[The5_1]

@Michael Brookes

I hope you might be able to clarify on this.

To find us, look for a bounty hunter. 

To find more clues you'll need pre-logistics support in a system with one star, two belts, three rings, and enough radiation to turn you green. 

The hunt begins on the 28th.

Are said "more clues" only accessible past the 28th or is twiddling thumbs till the 28th, in regards to this line, in fact inadvisable? ;P

 

[ilo]

We need a subforum for Michael Brookes QA.

 

[Bungalo]

I believe the complaints about the threadnought aren't completely unfounded and, after some thought, I think I should give a rational idea to try to help streamline things. I don't believe people who are completely against the threadnought have considered the alternatives fully but I do respect the opinion (even if I'm a sarcastic ass at times).

Two actions we can possibly take to streamline and make the threadnought more accessible:

1) A weekly/biweekly "Whats new in science" would be very useful. I know a couple of folks who are working on it already, hopefully more to come as it reaches maturation. (If any of them are reading this they can feel free to pop in and talk more)

2) A tag system of some variety may be useful. How you'd implement that is limited as A) Most people would need to use it and B) It would help if it was searchable.
Some sample categories could be #Theory, #Finding, #UP, #Barnacle, #UA, #Request, #Thargoids, #Michael Brookes' Beard, #Whatever-else-you-get-the-idea. Even just having these in the title without a way to search them could be *very* useful. Once again, people would have to use them and I'm not sure how easy it would be to get the threadnought to shift a bit to do that. Lets face it, the threadnought is a massive beast and an object at rest will stay at rest.

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Why we shouldn't fragment the threadnought:
There are plenty of other venues and locales for the aforementioned other approaches to research gathering and sharing, honestly, I' don't use them much as I've found the threadnought faster. Reddit and the Canonn website come to mind on that side, I'm sure there are others as I believe Riz posted a very good one. I believe it was called "goo-gile" .

I do think the threadnought needs to stick with the UA/UP/Barnacle mystery as theres plenty to it. Which, we have, though that may be because mods?

I think, as a new player, I'd rather be able to check the front page of one thread than try to follow 8 different threads about 5 different things with 10x the duplicated info and theories. Not to mention if you are searching back you'd get an extra 10 threads that had the same info but burned out after 3 pages.

As an example where I've seen this happen in ED:
Its a nightmare for me to find other things related to weapon/ship mechanics/stats because everything is so fragmented. There are some good posts but for the most part there's a lot of useless noise. Most people I know that follow it have to collate the info themselves and have to hope its up to date (or run off of memory). A very similar thing would happen with science without the threadnought.

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To sum up:
At the end of the day that front page works nice, it isn't a perfect format but its made within the limits of the forum remarkably well. There's other venues for people who don't want to deal with it as well. To each their own, if you don't like it, that's fine. Go elsewhere for the info, it will be there .

All that said if we could streamline it some it would help accessibility. It isn't unreasonable to try but, thinking about it from a one player standpoint, is a daunting task. If there was a way to coordinate the changes I mentioned (or others) I think it would help quite a bit. Just some food for thought, I doubt it would make everyone happy but it might be more new user friendly.

 

[gaplant]

Seems pretty obvious that nothing about the event that will be on the 28th is going to happen until the 28th.
Although if we work hard enough we might be able to find some part from the middle of the story and break it before we get to see the first part!
That would be bad. You all can do whatever you want, but I'm not going to try to do the event that happens on the 28th until the 28th.


I don't know how much more direct FD can be than having MB come in here more than once and say it will happen on the 28th of Aug.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

Seems pretty obvious that nothing about the event that will be on the 28th is going to happen until the 28th.
Although if we work hard enough we might be able to find some part from the middle of the story and break it before we get to see the first part!
That would be bad. You all can do whatever you want, but I'm not going to try to do the event that happens on the 28th until the 28th.


I don't know how much more direct FD can be than having MB come in here more than once and say it will happen on the 28th of Aug.

Be nice to know a rough time.
Should I plan brunch, go shopping, mow the lawn, and settle in for an evening hunt or is it up at the crack of dawn to get a jump on the fox?

 

[Saool]

So yeah - go create another set of threads, nobody's stopping you!

This.

I scratch my head when I see people complaining and saying things like there needs to be multiple threads. Anyone has the ability to make threads. If people want to make multiple threads, make them.

...oh, they want someone else to do the hard work and graft to make them for them... ok.

 

[Derthek]

I'm not saying shut down the threadnaught.

I'm saying move it to a new sub section where threads like the rift, the tip offs, and project specific threads (moon/nebula/system surveys) wont be drowned out by the unending crap-posts that fills Dangerous Discussion. We've lost some great threads to the abyss, theres no need to stay here when there are enough of us who take mystery/science seriously to warrant our own subsection. The exploration sub section is far too broad, and as a nearly-elite explorer i can say none of this science stuff has anything to do with exploration. For example we use piracy to find UP/UA which is a hybrid of Combat and trade. I can't think of anywhere that currently exists on this forum where these threads fit in. I suggest we appeal for a new subsection. Again, not a Canonn subsection, just a science/mystery one.

sorry if i didnt make that clear before. Idk.

 

[dynamicbob]

This.

I scratch my head when I see people complaining and saying things like there needs to be multiple threads. Anyone has the ability to make threads. If people want to make multiple threads, make them.

...oh, they want someone else to do the hard work and graft to make them for them... ok.

in the meantime get allied with the faction just in case

 

[ilo]

in the meantime get allied with the faction just in case

exactly, because becoming wanted it is just the easy part.

I'm more worried about the subtle method FD has came up with to get gratuitous support for the feds in Pleiades. Suddenly a lot of commanders have paid a huge tribute to the federation through donations to become allied funding the fed's effort to conquer Pleiades. well done FD..

It is not a Community Goal, but still backed up by a lot of players.

 

[Jmanis]

exactly, because becoming wanted it is just the easy part.

I'm more worried about the subtle method FD has came up with to get gratuitous support for the feds in Pleiades. Suddenly a lot of commanders have paid a huge tribute to the federation through donations to become allied funding the fed's effort to conquer Pleiades. well done FD..

It is not a Community Goal, but still backed up by a lot of players.

And this is why why why why why why why WHY there should be some sort of benefit to becoming hostile to a faction, rather than simply getting locked out of their stations.

Before the Pleiades conflict CG, I began actively destroying PRE ships in one of the systems in order to try and overthrow them. Unfortunately, my "rallying call" didn't get much support. Either way, these activities got me hostile pretty damn quick, which made getting down to the actual conflict almost impossible.

I get the overall plot that the Feds are moving into Pleiades, something something aliens, something something destruction. But some of the *best* emergent gameplay in Elite has come out of the conflicts and opposition to factional activities. This mostly manifests in UA bombing, and that's because it's literally the only hostile course of action with a measurable outcome (disabling of a stations facilities). If there were other avenues to pursue to push back against people considered "enemies" by a player, I'm certain people would take them. But as it stands, becoming hostile only does one thing; makes the game harder by denying access to stations, and has no actual measurable outcome (save some BGS effects, which are better undertaken in ways that make you become allied anyway).

Ok, that paragraph was a bit of a segue, but the point is the only rewarding gameplay when it comes to the Pleiades conflict *is* to support the Feds. You literally get nothing (or even punished) by trying to oppose them. I don't disagree that hostile actions begets hostile responses, but from a gameplay perspective simply punishing the player for it leads to a homogenous, boring experience as everyone does nothing but get allied with the factions when they stir up dust. Actions that lead to becoming hostile must be incentivised in order to create enticing, complex gameplay experiences.

 

[RedWizzard]

They are faces, not sides. What I said exactly

This is also for you Red

Colloquially they are also called sides. Or are you going to try to claim that there is no such think as a 6-sided die?

 

[ilo]

I get the overall plot that the Feds are moving into Pleiades, something something aliens, something something destruction.

haha, I can't breath lol

 

[daygobah]

@Michael Brookes

I hope you might be able to clarify on this.

To find us, look for a bounty hunter. 

To find more clues you'll need pre-logistics support in a system with one star, two belts, three rings, and enough radiation to turn you green. 

The hunt begins on the 28th.

Are said "more clues" only accessible past the 28th or is twiddling thumbs till the 28th, in regards to this line, in fact inadvisable? ;P

Also for that matter of the 28th..... The 28th of what? Sept... Oct.... Nov... Dec,,, insert whatever month you want really.
Or is it even a date? What if it means on the 28th UP sold to a station or some other 28th thing we have to do or find...

I for one think its this 28th Aug... Or possibly the 28th day of the month 2.3 goes live.

And my guess is the bounty hunter we are supposed to find is hunting bounties for Pre-logistics gama station. You can goto it and look at the news for the station they have a list of targets they want killed. If i was a betting man I would bet on that.


I also forgot to say there is a bounty in Merope cmdr Methylon .... Which there is a drug called Methylone aka Molly A really nasty designer drug.

 

[Bungalo]

I'm not saying shut down the threadnaught.

*clip*

My response(s) haven't been targeting yours. Indeed a new subsection on the forum may be a good idea to move the threadnought to. Would also be nice for things like the messages hidden in the braben interviews or other mysteries in that same section (near but not in the threadnought). We are assuming they connect to everything but they may not.

I can think of a good 3 or 4 things that would be good in a mystery subsection.

Thought out constructive criticisms/responses like yours are perfect. On the other hand some of the others whose posts boiled down to "I don't like it, change it all somehow so I like it" were not helpful at all.

 

[RedWizzard]

Are there any clues that mention this being the work of Thargoids? All the current lore seems to be pointing at this being the work of humans, particularly the Alliance or some smaller faction. Who knows - maybe people from a generation ship? In my opinion someone stumbled upon some piece of technology, or someone found Raxxla - "gateway to other universes" and unleashed something which is now scanning us. Frontier mentioned a few times that the Barnacles are genetically engineered. This doesn't hint at an alien lifeform. I just don't think Thargoids will appear yet...

Are you talking about the UPs or the messages interrupting the Gamescon videos? The UPs use binary coded octal and show an interest in ammonia worlds, both of which were specifically mentioned in the recent Galnet on Thargoids (well they mentioned octagonal ship and ammonia worlds at least). But you're right that there is nothing linking the video interruptions to Thargoids yet.

 

[RedWizzard]

This thread alone seems to be more active than the entire roleplay section hehe giving us a sub section on the official forums wouldn't be a waste of space I can promise you that

Would be nice to have separate threads for ua, up, barnacle, rift, polaris, ngc 6357, and the upcoming feature "archeology" as well as the new mysteries hinted at by Brookes and Braben.

Just an idea

I honestly don't think it would help much. Instead of struggling to keep up with one thread we'll be struggling to keep up with 8 threads. Posts often cover multiple topics so people trying to focus on one aspect are going to miss stuff. Stuff is going to get cross posted. Instead of searching a thread people will have to search an entire forum which is no better and arguably worse. Etc. We tried having multiple threads right at the start and it turned into a mess IMHO. Perhaps it could be made to work but I think it'd need really diligent moderators. I nominate Rizal