No. If you're going to add a delay, just don't bother adding the feature at all, it's pointless
Should ship transfers have a time delay or not?
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On a side note, I must say Cmdr I`m a big fan of your "rescue" paint job, it's just a pity FD did not gift it to the Fuel Rats for their efforts.
didn't vote. i'd rather not have some arbitrary "delay", but the actual travel time computed depending on ship and distance, and of course only if the ship is at all capable of the trip.
to make things easier, i would assume the ship scoops on the fly, but a scoop should be a requirement regardless.
to make things easier, i would assume the ship scoops on the fly, but a scoop should be a requirement regardless.
That clearly is not true,
Current Situation :- you have to fly form where you are get your ship and fly to where you want to be.
Ship Transfer /w delay - you order the ship it arrives where you want it - 50% time saving (providing it was a long delay, many would be happy with slightly shorter).
Ship tranfer with a delay is still a QOL improvement on what we currently have, no ship transfer. as I said in the mega thread, if Frontier had announced it with a delay, most of you would have been happy with that. Sadly, after the stream many of you have heard the word 'instant' and can't see past it. I am really struggling to remember all the threads and posts with 'must have instant ship transfer' requests before the stream, so why exactly is it a must have now? Also, again repeated by many in the mega thread, if you CHOOSe to sit there doing nothing waiting for your ship to arrive, (if there was a delay), that is all on you, you are in a ship you can use, you could buy a 'make-do' ship for a different role, anything you like, if you would choose to sit twiddling your thumbs, waiting, more fool you.
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Would people enjoy the game more? Is that the consequence? Heaven forbid!
Yes, we should definitely introduce new features and immediately hamstring them so they can't live up to their full potential. If you'd like to read up to one of my last posts in this very thread, you'll find some real in-game examples of why having it be instantaneous is all that really makes sense except in other edge cases.
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Either way it will be an improvement over no ship transfers...just a sadder, less useful improvement if we have to arbitrarily wait to have the ship.
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What if you don't have a fuel scoop equipped? What if it gets interdicted? What if it's FSD range wouldn't otherwise allow it to arrive in any possible way at your destination? Let's be honest, you're okay with magic, just not useful magic.
What if i'm in a Type 9 and there is a conflict zone near me that i want to check out ? I don't think anyone would bother looking for a trade route during the transfert time.
A "reasonable" delay is the way to go for me. If its based on a certain amount of time per light year that's fine, but if that's massively hard to code then I'd settle for an hour or whatever for the trip.
What I think is anathema to the Elite tradition and the principles that David Braben talks of so eloquently is the instantaneous arrival of your ship.
What's next, some of the new players find landing on a planet rather arduous, so we're putting a button on the ship's dashboard that places your SRV on the planet's surface. It lifts the barriers to the fun, and hey, fun trumps realism.
Its ironic that Elite is set in the cold emptiness of space but what actually holds the game together is its atmosphere, please don't mess with that.
What I think is anathema to the Elite tradition and the principles that David Braben talks of so eloquently is the instantaneous arrival of your ship.
What's next, some of the new players find landing on a planet rather arduous, so we're putting a button on the ship's dashboard that places your SRV on the planet's surface. It lifts the barriers to the fun, and hey, fun trumps realism.
Its ironic that Elite is set in the cold emptiness of space but what actually holds the game together is its atmosphere, please don't mess with that.
Been loitering in the mega thread mate, no need to, all the arguments, counters and possible 'new ideas' I, (and others), have read 3, 4 or 5 times. Explain this 'full potential' to me? - honestly, there is no potential to build on instant transfer, none, with delays there are, NPC's, players and more that could be intergrated. And instantaneous makes the least sense possible, it really does, I am really struggling to see what bloody sense it makes at all.
Roleplaying eh? You actually see NPC ships flying in and out of the stations all the time. However, you *never* see capital ships storing corvettes in their hold, and you *never* see them flying up to stations.
If people want to buy 55LY and then sit and wait at a station, that is a personal choice to be lazy, because they were trying to exploit the transfer mechanic. It's not a requirement of gameplay. However, Frontier won't keep it that way regardless whether it's instant or has a time delay. As soon as they allowed ship transfers of any kind they opened the door to the 55LY Anaconda shuttle meta. They will eventually concede that the 55LY Anaconda meta will make all jump ranges irrelevant, and they will likely make all jump ranges the same via some new tech advancement lore.
So the core argument here is really, should there be a time delay. Not, why do I have to wait? Not unless you frequently switch from trade to combat to exploration. In which case, why not fly a multirole ship? But I am guessing you just want this exploit option to get your FDL/Corvette to a combat CG faster anyway.
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That's not true if you take Exploration into account, jump range are then still relevant.
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Hello Bacalao,
I am happy to accept a certain amount of magic, for instance... When planet side and sending your ship into orbit it enters 'invulnerability' mode.
But in this case its far too grating for me to accept, it may well change the dynamic of gameplay for the worse, belittle galaxy scale and affect how ships are set up in out-fitting.
Flimley
I am happy to accept a certain amount of magic, for instance... When planet side and sending your ship into orbit it enters 'invulnerability' mode.
But in this case its far too grating for me to accept, it may well change the dynamic of gameplay for the worse, belittle galaxy scale and affect how ships are set up in out-fitting.
Flimley
Frankly, I don't see any issue in opening up exploration to all types of ships. Exploration is boring enough, and being able to at least enjoy the cockpit view in your favorite ship would be a big help. Explorers have been begging for this option for a long time. Most of them are quite sick to death of the Anaconda/Asp cockpit. In fact, being one of them, that is a BIG part of my objection to the new Anaconda/Asp Shuttle Meta.
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The consequences I'm referring to have nothing to do with realism, it is a matter of balance, as it was explained a thousand times in the threadnaught. You didn't, as far as I know, provide a way to prevent the fact that haulers / asps / condas will become the virtual carriers for specialized ships, making the range of the ships a useless feature and introducing an unseen imbalance in the game.
A simple cooldown would solve this problem, and yet you refuse it : why ? Can you explain what scenario needs multiple instant transfers in a game session, when this feature is supposedly introduced to help casual players who play maybe 3 hours a week ?
In fact, a cooldown wouldn't change anything for casual players (still instant delivery) but would prevent exploits.
I know you, you're not an exploiter so, really, I don't understand why you can't even discuss this option ?
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Repost but I think justified, delete if you disagree.
Disclaimer: Wall of text but here it goes: I have not read the whole thread and what I write may have been said. I do it so I put my view in case FD are looking at this thread.
I am a casual player due to family commitments I can only afford 0 - 4 hrs a week, I play to relax no particular target like getting the biggest ship, if I had nothing important or meaning full in my life then ED would be that thing but fortunately i have other interesting things and try to balance them out.
Although I am not a hard core gamer (meta-gamer is that right?) I suppose that I'm one of the target audience for the game because I'm one who will not get exhausted from this game in a year or two I can play it for a decade or more - I quit Frontier Elite II because it became limited in comparison to other games however i still longed for it.
My view:
Ship transfer is a good thing but it should take as much as doing it yourself.
My reason:
Distance and travel time is a crucial element in this game that gives it perspective and ambience to me. If FDev decide to come out with a new drive that one can go anywhere in the galaxy instantly that would kill the game for me.
My rationale for why I accept other non realistic elements of the game but I do not accept instant ship transfer:
I accept the fact that repairs are instant and loading/offloading are instant but the difference between those and immediate ship transfer is that to me ship repair and loading unloading are not reasons that attract me to play the game. The Travel and the Distance and real world time are elements that flavour the game for me and attracts my taste. Even if the automated transfer takes up time as much as I do it manually (1 way) it is still a huge gain in my view because I do not have to make the 2 way trip and I can do something else while I pay someone to fly my ship, instead of wasting time going back and forth. I think this is the crucial element that Sandro wants to address when he said he wants to keen the fun element flow and not get interrupted.
there youhave it
Disclaimer: Wall of text but here it goes: I have not read the whole thread and what I write may have been said. I do it so I put my view in case FD are looking at this thread.
I am a casual player due to family commitments I can only afford 0 - 4 hrs a week, I play to relax no particular target like getting the biggest ship, if I had nothing important or meaning full in my life then ED would be that thing but fortunately i have other interesting things and try to balance them out.
Although I am not a hard core gamer (meta-gamer is that right?) I suppose that I'm one of the target audience for the game because I'm one who will not get exhausted from this game in a year or two I can play it for a decade or more - I quit Frontier Elite II because it became limited in comparison to other games however i still longed for it.
My view:
Ship transfer is a good thing but it should take as much as doing it yourself.
My reason:
Distance and travel time is a crucial element in this game that gives it perspective and ambience to me. If FDev decide to come out with a new drive that one can go anywhere in the galaxy instantly that would kill the game for me.
My rationale for why I accept other non realistic elements of the game but I do not accept instant ship transfer:
I accept the fact that repairs are instant and loading/offloading are instant but the difference between those and immediate ship transfer is that to me ship repair and loading unloading are not reasons that attract me to play the game. The Travel and the Distance and real world time are elements that flavour the game for me and attracts my taste. Even if the automated transfer takes up time as much as I do it manually (1 way) it is still a huge gain in my view because I do not have to make the 2 way trip and I can do something else while I pay someone to fly my ship, instead of wasting time going back and forth. I think this is the crucial element that Sandro wants to address when he said he wants to keen the fun element flow and not get interrupted.
there youhave it
Cheers for this poll. For the record -- I didn't add one to the other thread I made, it was tackled on by a mod, after several threads got closed/merged; I prefer to actually read feedback on the issue, but I guess a poll was inevitable... and having one as simple as this one helps to get a clearer message across, I reckon.
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Of course he can't, there is no reasonable answer and they all just ignore it and stamp their feet.
EDIT - I've added most of the stampy feet insta-kids to my block list which I have named "Kanja Club". It's so much more peaceful now.
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