Do you know what you want to do in tomorrow's session?
The Galaxy - Is its size now considered to be a barrier to gameplay by the Developers?
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Do you know what you want to do in tomorrow's session?
The Galaxy is fine, it's the human bubble that can be irritating to traverse. Ship transfers will take a lot of the tedious traveling-to-the-place-where-you-can-do-the-thing out of game. The balancing point will be the credit cost for transfer, which won't be much of an issue for the veterans with billions of credits. I've recently lost a bunch of time that I can play any game due to finally finding work in my area, so my gaming time has become very precious to me. I don't like wasting a bunch of time traveling around, so I look forward to this update just for that aspect.
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Dilemma true, but still not a reason why insta-transport should be a thing. When I only have a short time to play, I plan my play session accordingly, as obviously you do. I accept that it takes time to do things and leave the time consuming tasks for when I do have time. When I don't have time, I satisfy myself with those things that I can accomplish in that time, even if it's only a couple of trade runs.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
If cost is used to deter players from transferring ships then that in itself remains a barrier to gameplay for cash poor players - the point of instant transfers seems to be reducing inconvenience - an inconvenience that would remain for those who can't afford the transfer.
I'm the interests of consistency, it is only right that you lock your own thread.
to quote "please use the existing thread fir discussing shiptransport.
closing as duplicate."
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ey-should-work-in-the-perfect-ED-galaxy/page2
to quote "please use the existing thread fir discussing shiptransport.
closing as duplicate."
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ey-should-work-in-the-perfect-ED-galaxy/page2
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
The currently required travel to that dock to fetch the ship then return to the current location has been neatly sidestepped by the forthcoming ability to insta-transfer ships to our current dock.
In fairness to the mod - although it appears we've strayed off topic - the question whilst having a base in the ship-transport-instantly controversy, was more aimed at what other short-cuts are potentially coming to the game in the interests of game-play and whether that's a good, or a bad thing.
Which, ironically, defeats one of the provided reasons for having the feature in the first place: To make owning multiple ships easier for new players...
Yes.
That's the entire point of the feature.
But travel still exists and is still required.
Which essentially already exists as a thread as well:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...i-Crew-The-Introduction-of-CMDR-Teleportation
It should still be easier for any player, because transfer scales with ship value. If you have Sidewinder/Eagle/Hauler scattered across the galaxy, transferring them surely won't cost as much as transferring a T9/FDL/Python.
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Surely I know. I don't want to play aimlessly or I feel it's time wasted.
Only FDev have the data, so this is only a hypothesis.
Let us say that for any given CG, they are seeing the same names at the top every time (from a pool) and the same participants (from a pool). So out of the 1.4Million units sold, they got 12,000 signing up for Arque, not sure how many actually participated.
This is only one facet of the game, but in some ways it is the most competitive. CMDR vs CMDR in the race to top 10, or CMDRs vs target in a race for completion. If they are modelling marketing, or player retention or something and they see the usual suspects in every "dynamic event", perhaps this has necessitated breaking the realism wall, in order to make the game more appealing.
The 10,000 of us that post on the forums can be vocal, erudite, passionate, annoying (sometimes all 4 in one post), but we may not be a data-derived representation of the behaviour of the majority of their player base.
I would have preferred some kind of lock, so maybe all ships instantaneous but use only once per week, or summoning takes the time of the sum of the jump n scoops. But FDev think that neuters the change to make it pointless to implement.
It will obviously not make the game better for everyone, it might make the game better for "The Silent Majority" of 1 hour session, dip in and out, play twice a week type consumers?
Let us say that for any given CG, they are seeing the same names at the top every time (from a pool) and the same participants (from a pool). So out of the 1.4Million units sold, they got 12,000 signing up for Arque, not sure how many actually participated.
This is only one facet of the game, but in some ways it is the most competitive. CMDR vs CMDR in the race to top 10, or CMDRs vs target in a race for completion. If they are modelling marketing, or player retention or something and they see the usual suspects in every "dynamic event", perhaps this has necessitated breaking the realism wall, in order to make the game more appealing.
The 10,000 of us that post on the forums can be vocal, erudite, passionate, annoying (sometimes all 4 in one post), but we may not be a data-derived representation of the behaviour of the majority of their player base.
I would have preferred some kind of lock, so maybe all ships instantaneous but use only once per week, or summoning takes the time of the sum of the jump n scoops. But FDev think that neuters the change to make it pointless to implement.
It will obviously not make the game better for everyone, it might make the game better for "The Silent Majority" of 1 hour session, dip in and out, play twice a week type consumers?
Right it's blatantly obvious that this thread is just a rehash of the ship transfer thread which if this was any other topic would of been locked or merged by now. As a moderator you should really know that, your personal feelings are irrelevant.
I think the real issue here is not whether the new mecahnics will make the world believable or not.
The real issue is will it actually break the game or not?
I believe that for a lot of aspects FD has gone to the trouble of adding to the game, much of that value will be lost simply by adding this feature in the manner they are.
I am not aginst ship transfer, I am against it being instant and if it must be instant then it should be ridiculously expensive.
1) Everyone will travel everywhere in an asp since it has the highest jump range and then will simply pop back into their ship of choice.
2) Traffic reports will read almost exclusively asps (meaning people passing through) any other ship can be viewed with suspicion. Combat zones will read as all FDL, Python, vulture in the traffic report.
3) All combat zones will be filled with FDL, vulture and top end combat ships.
4) All balancing FD has done to ships vs their jump range is now irrelevant. Who cares how rubbish my jump range is when I can just asp my way around and summon my FDL?
5) All ship builds can forego power hungry expensive FSD's. Just asp your way around and cast your magic summon ship spell.
6) Fancy doing a raid on a player faction? No problem. Asp your way across the galaxy and cast your magic summon ship spell. Done in a jiffy!
7) Remember that FSD upgrade you spent ages collecting materials for on your FDL? Do you still want it? Are FSD upgrades even worth bothering with now?
8) All the trouble FD have gone to providing variety in outfitting services around the galaxy? Who cares what standard of outfitting exists in a location? Pointless. Just bring your magic bag of ships and modules with you. Now the galaxy is even more all the same!
Off the top of my head. I am sure I can think of more if I put my mind to it.
Who cares about realism? Seriously, you people are having the wrong argument. This should be about game breaking change that will go to destabilize and cheapen the game mechanics that FD spent so much time to create.
The real issue is will it actually break the game or not?
I believe that for a lot of aspects FD has gone to the trouble of adding to the game, much of that value will be lost simply by adding this feature in the manner they are.
I am not aginst ship transfer, I am against it being instant and if it must be instant then it should be ridiculously expensive.
1) Everyone will travel everywhere in an asp since it has the highest jump range and then will simply pop back into their ship of choice.
2) Traffic reports will read almost exclusively asps (meaning people passing through) any other ship can be viewed with suspicion. Combat zones will read as all FDL, Python, vulture in the traffic report.
3) All combat zones will be filled with FDL, vulture and top end combat ships.
4) All balancing FD has done to ships vs their jump range is now irrelevant. Who cares how rubbish my jump range is when I can just asp my way around and summon my FDL?
5) All ship builds can forego power hungry expensive FSD's. Just asp your way around and cast your magic summon ship spell.
6) Fancy doing a raid on a player faction? No problem. Asp your way across the galaxy and cast your magic summon ship spell. Done in a jiffy!
7) Remember that FSD upgrade you spent ages collecting materials for on your FDL? Do you still want it? Are FSD upgrades even worth bothering with now?
8) All the trouble FD have gone to providing variety in outfitting services around the galaxy? Who cares what standard of outfitting exists in a location? Pointless. Just bring your magic bag of ships and modules with you. Now the galaxy is even more all the same!
Off the top of my head. I am sure I can think of more if I put my mind to it.
Who cares about realism? Seriously, you people are having the wrong argument. This should be about game breaking change that will go to destabilize and cheapen the game mechanics that FD spent so much time to create.
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There have been some other suggestions from the community (check the threadzilla) which would allow commanders to do just that: jump in the ship of their choice the moment they sit at the computer and fire Elite: Dangerous. All without interfering with travel mechanics at all.
Ok, so would it be a significant problem to order the ship that you want to use tomorrow at the end of today's session?
Agreed. My combat FDL with a deliberately undersized FSD can now "travel" in the same 50 LY jumps my conda can do.
Worry not, those arguments have been given too... multiple times.
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Reading this post, another thing came to mind. This also trivializes any sort of special discounts far away systems have. Cheap ship somewhere? fly there, buy ship, then magically teleport it home later without having to risk it unequipped. Li-Yong Rui discounts? Summon the fleet and get the best modules, then take cheap ship home and resummon the fleet without risk.
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That's a good point. I could live with that.