All things considered, I think the original Elite and Frontier Elite 2 are better games than Elite Dangerous.

peteuplink

peteuplink
All things considered, I think the original Elite and Frontier Elite 2 are better games than Elite Dangerous.

I really do think that the original Elite and Frontier Elite 2 are better games, in terms of game play, than Elite Dangerous. Elite Dangerous has the richer, more accurate galaxy, better graphics and so on. It really is groundbreaking... But it bores me in ways that playing the original Elite or FE2 don't. I can load up FE2 through emulation and play for hours, same with Elite even if it does look very dated these days, but after I've made one trip in ED I feel like I've had enough...

Now, I'm not trying to troll, before anyone pulls that ridiculous old chestnut out for it's daily airing, I genuinely don't know why I find ED boring. Afterall, it's exactly the same core gameplay as the previous games. However, it just doesn't grab me the way the originals did. :(

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before anyone decides to reply to this, could I ask that you read the whole thread and other peoples responses. I'm getting a bit tired of repeating myself to people who've only read the first post before replying. Also far too many people have replied with "if you played the originals now you'd be bored". I do play the originals through emulation and I'm not bored... Thanks.

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Because it seems that many people will read the top post of the thread without bothering to read down to see how the conversation has progressed, I'll add this quote of a reply I made later on that might help explain why I think Elite is a better game in terms of gameplay than Elite Dangerous is:

peteuplink said:
ED has the same basic gameplay as Elite but there's some key differences that make the original a better gameplay experience.

In the original you take off from a station and hyperspace to a new system, emerging near the star. So far so similar to ED. But the big difference is the journey between the star and the station.

In Elite, you start off in space normal speed. You can increase your speed by using the Torus Drive. If you encounter anything on your journey, an asteroid or other ship, you become mass locked and there's that moment of uncertainty when you're thinking "Uh oh, what's this? Is it just asteroids, a trader, or am I about to get jumped by pirates... Or maybe Thargoids?". The ship will appear and you'll spend the entirety of that time watching it flying past with your finger on the trigger just waiting to see if it will suddenly turn hostile or if it will just pass by. This sort of encounter may happen a couple of times on each trip, and many of them will result in combat. And they were often challenging fights, especially early on. If you managed to reach the station and dock successfully there's always that little moment of "Phew! I made it!" and a sense of accomplishment that you've arrived at the safety of the station, even if it's only for a few seconds before you take a deep breath and plunge into the dangerous depths of space once again.

In ED you're already in Super Cruise. You select the station from your navigation menu, point your ship at it and relax. Maybe even read the forums while you're travelling. Where in Elite you spend a lot of your journey nervously keeping one eye on the scanner, in ED most of your time is spent watching the distance go down, twiddling your thumbs and thinking "Please hurry up!"

You'll see other ships around you but, unlike Elite, there isn't any sense of urgency, even in anarchy systems. Interdictions are a welcome break, but they're easy to avoid. There isn't that moment where you get mass locked, see a ship and go "Uh oh! Is this guy going to attack or am I okay?". You may see a ship on your scanner moving in behind you in Super Cruise, which might just cause you a momentary bit of tension, but 9 times out of 10 you'll safely reach the station, dock and be on your way. There's no little "Phew! I made it" moment when you reach the station and no sense of accomplishment for safely getting through a dangerous area of space.

And that's where I think Elite Dangerous fails compared to the original. The original had lots of moments of high tension where you nervously waited to see if that blip on your scanner was going to turn into a pirate vessel or a whole swarm of Thargoids. Every encounter was a moment of uncertainty, every trip was an adventure. Space was dangerous. In Elite Dangerous it just feels a bit too safe. You'll see ships, but most of them will leave you alone and the only real time you get that moment of "Uh oh! What's this!?" is when there's another player in the system and you're not sure if they're going to be someone who's just going to turn your Sidewider into scrap or a harmless trader. But even then you can emergency drop and re-enter SC in a different instance where they're not around.

So for me Elite is the better game because it feels more dangerous than Elite Dangerous. There's more uncertainty, more "squeeky bum" moments, more sense that space is a lawless frontier, more sense of accomplishment when you dock and more sense of "Well, here we go again!" when you set out on a new journey, because you never really know if you're going to arrive safely at the other end.
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CmdrKull

C
Well I can think of one reason Elite was more fun.


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manny72

manny72
First Enounters was a bugg filled nighmare.....they may seem better. BUT, they were released as COMPLETE games, they were not, they were bug filled crashes...I played them all, I still have them...this one...this on, well it's and evolving entity, it's not complete, I hope it never will be, KEEP ADDING     ....it is a living and thanks tot he community, an BREATHING game, I want to see what it becomes before I die...I started playing in 1984, I'm 44 now, so I figure I have about 50 years to find out what happens, i'm good with that.
 

Angus

Angus
Given the Elite heritage, I think ED is a fantastic effort. I imagine that like me the wonder that the original engendered decades ago will never be forgotten and nothing can really compete with that.

But we are older now, more jaded and less accepting, and expect more - and ED is a different beast, it has literally promised the Earth (and its foliage) and we keep on demanding it with every update - Elite and Frontier never had to compete in that way, what you got on day one was what you got.

On balance I think Elite Dangerous delivers big time, and the DB and FD should be very proud indeed.


And I will shout in the game's defence whenever I think they're making a bad decision - but that, as they say, is passion.
 

peteuplink

peteuplink
David Aaron said:
What, unlike the daily airing of your particular "chestnut".
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I don't recall there ever being a thread entitled "All things considered, I think the original Elite and Frontier Elite 2 are better games than Elite Dangerous." before. So to which particular "chestnut" are you referring? Or are you simply coming into this thread looking for an argument for arguments sake?

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manny72 said:
First Enounters was a bugg filled nighmare.....they may seem better. BUT, they were released as COMPLETE games, they were not, they were bug filled crashes...I played them all, I still have them...this one...this on, well it's and evolving entity, it's not complete, I hope it never will be, KEEP ADDING     ....it is a living and thanks tot he community, an BREATHING game, I want to see what it becomes before I die...I started playing in 1984, I'm 44 now, so I figure I have about 50 years to find out what happens, i'm good with that.
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Manny. You may have noticed that I didn't mention First Encounters. I'm well aware of what a mess that game was. I never really encountered any problems with the original Elite or FE2, though.
 
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David Aaron

David Aaron
No, not looking to argue. Just funny you bringing another come dislike ED with me because thread, but wanna deny you're trolling right up front.
 

peteuplink

peteuplink
David Aaron said:
No, not looking to argue. Just funny you bringing another come dislike ED with me because thread, but wanna deny you're trolling right up front.
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Well, you know, a person can have an opinion about something without being a troll. Just because someone has a different opinion to yours does not make them a troll. A troll is someone who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument. Or, according to Wikipedia:

In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion, often for their own amusement.
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Troll is a term that get thrown around far too much on the internet by people that actually don't really understand what the true definition of a troll is. That is why I went out of my way to make sure that I stated that I'm not trolling. I'm not here to cause an argument for my own enjoyment, I'm posting to voice my opinion.

A provocative post would be for me to post that I think ED is totally      and devoid of any redeeming features and that the company should never have released it in the first place, but that's not what I'm posting, and that's not what I think. I'm perfectly willing to accept that my problems with ED may be me and not the game. I'm merely stating that, in my honest opinion, the original games were more fun for me. I realise that not everyone thinks like I do, besides if we all liked the same things then the world would lose it's diversity and we might as well all become mindless droids, but that doesn't mean that one should be afraid to share their point of view.
 
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MVP_Bluntman

MVP_Bluntman
eh, ED has a long development cycle ahead of itself to assume anything really. Its not like we have much alongside other games these days to compare it too that are also actually complete.
 
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Jools

Jools
All i can say is I agree

Fe2 was a high point in the series imo

I had hopes for E:D during beta... its ok but... far worse than the old ones
 

Monk

Monk
Help me out here...what is travel like in those two earlier games?

IIRC, isn't there the ability to speed up time so that your travel is much shorter? I have a feeling that less time between activities could play a big part in this.
 

peteuplink

peteuplink
Jools said:
All i can say is I agree

Fe2 was a high point in the series imo

I had hopes for E:D during beta... its ok but... far worse than the old ones
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Yeah, it's just missing.... Something. But I don't know what it is.

So far we've had a few comments that FE2 was a completed game and ED isn't. But if you look at them side by side, ED is already a much bigger game than FE2 ever was. The core trading gameplay is in place, we have missions boards, we can land on planets (okay not all planets but a good many) and on top of this we have a more advanced galaxy, Galnet, community goals, crafting, SRV's and other stuff that Elite and FE2 didn't have. But there's just something about the main gameplay that feels a bit... dull.
 

Mc80

M
It probably does, after the first few hours the travel and lack of autopilot really sqeeze the fun out of it.
 

joshman72nd

joshman72nd
so far yes however with the upcoming update and the other seasons added onto elite dangerous i think elite will outshine the older ones.


i do like though how our ships kept their general shapes and sizes. im looking forward to more of the classic ships put in (MAMMOTH) any one?
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
I cant get into the Witcher 3. Tried twice, got bored twice. A total waste of my money. Every year I play Might & Magic 6. There is nothing in MM6 that is better than W3, except one thing: nostalgia.
 
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