Feds against slavery, so they kill slaves?

I like how many Imperial slavers will try to justify their barbarism by pretending their form of slavery is noble and honorable.

Like we don't have history books and are all entirely unable to read up on the reality of indentured servitude. :)
Someone has to deliver them, otherwise they just sit there and rot.

Your move.
 
I don't see the problem? He freed them from a life of slavery and servitude. Obviously he also freed them from being alive, but every action has its drawbacks.
 
He was in an FdL for pete's sake! It's basically an obligation to blow things up when you're in one of those bad boys. As long as he looked good while he was doing it:)
 
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To paraphrase Teal'c, I die FREE!

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Today I got interdicted by an NPC as I was flying around in my (Brand new) Python. Sure, no problem, I take quick care of the poor sap with my massive new weapons... All of a sudden a FDL jumps in and types the following (paraphrasing, can't remember the exact quote): "Imperial slave traders don't deserve to live. Prepare to die." And then he proceeds to vaporise me in a couple of seconds. Besides being rather livid at the fact that this happened one jump from the A. Lavigny-Duval's home system, and the 6.7mil credit insurance payout (I now only have 10mil left at this stage), I am also quite confused... Obviously this guy doesn't give a rat's ass about slaves, because he has just brutally murdered 128 (tonnes of cargo, so it must have been quite a few more people) Imperial Slaves (Who are treated with honour as it plays an important part of Imperial culture). Pretty annoyed, and i wish the Feds would come up with a decent excuse for murdering us around our home systems...

P.S. I prefer open because these special cases are rare, and I enjoy playing with other CMDRs, the cameraderie during the recent Imperial Warship CG was amazing...

Didn't you know those cargo containers are impervious*? After you were dispatch he probably sold them to the black market somewhere.

*impervious but they do degrade quickly!
 
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Doesn't matter how you treat them; you're still trading in human misery.

The slaves of the future are not humans, are clones with a genetic change that make them live only four years. ;)

"quite an experience to live in fear, isn't? that's what it is .. to be slave"

[video=youtube;NoAzpa1x7jU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoAzpa1x7jU[/video]
 
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Today I got interdicted by an NPC as I was flying around in my (Brand new) Python. Sure, no problem, I take quick care of the poor sap with my massive new weapons... All of a sudden a FDL jumps in and types the following (paraphrasing, can't remember the exact quote): "Imperial slave traders don't deserve to live. Prepare to die." And then he proceeds to vaporise me in a couple of seconds. Besides being rather livid at the fact that this happened one jump from the A. Lavigny-Duval's home system, and the 6.7mil credit insurance payout (I now only have 10mil left at this stage), I am also quite confused... Obviously this guy doesn't give a rat's ass about slaves, because he has just brutally murdered 128 (tonnes of cargo, so it must have been quite a few more people) Imperial Slaves (Who are treated with honour as it plays an important part of Imperial culture). Pretty annoyed, and i wish the Feds would come up with a decent excuse for murdering us around our home systems...

P.S. I prefer open because these special cases are rare, and I enjoy playing with other CMDRs, the cameraderie during the recent Imperial Warship CG was amazing...

At least you got the Courtesy of a reason. When I interdict ALD, Mahon, or Torval ships I let my Huge Multicannons do the talking. If the victim drops cargo I will let him live, but usually no one bothers and I am not looking for cargo anyway.
 
You guys will really hate me.
I trade 284 imps one way, make 3500/t (at a black market, no less), come back with a load of 284 regular "enthusiastic volunteers" and make another 1900/t. A-B-A-B 45ly journey.
In principal, they're both slaves. In practice, the protection imperial law grants imperial slaves makes them more wealthy than many "free" federal citizen wage-slaves in serious debt. They are well fed, clothed in fine liveries, educated (handy for when their servitude is finished), are provided free childcare, free healthcare and imperial law (theoretically) protects their dignities. Sure they work 12 hour days and it's their word against their master's but comparing their strife to the strife of those in the unregulated slave trade ignores the difference of degree in suffering.

I'm in a unique position to compare the two on a regular basis and I can tell you, you see a fierce pride in the eyes of imperial slaves and they tend to speak well of their former masters. They are educated, healthy and very well spoken. Their children are housed, educated and cared for. Many who became imperial slaves now own imperial slaves of their own, who will do the same in return. Unless I run them to a black market in an anarchy system where they are no longer protected by imperial law, which I do. They get off my boat, I light my cigar, twirl my mustache and count my cash. I don't ask what becomes of them.

Unregulated slaves are a truly sad lot. There are the fresh ones, often still in their flight suits or work clothes. Some even in tuxedos and wedding dresses. The defiant ones usually have bloody lips and black eyes, the others are scared with tiny pupils. Most are always looking at the floor. Some are even wearing tatters of imperial livery. The ones that have been there a long time invariably develop some sort of insanity. Abused, malnourished and often diseased, they fight amongst themselves unless policed. Some have been enslaved since birth and have zero social skills and can barely understand galach. They treat former imperial slaves with particular contempt. They're life expectancy is six months to a year unless they're purty. This is human misery.

Triggering SJW is an excellent justification for trading virtual slaves.
 

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Good story OP. First off, naughty you for dealing in slavery! Secondly, put your Python up until you've earned enough for at least 2-3 rebuys.

The fed destroyed you because, quite simply, you can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs.

Virtual Rep! Apparently I'm not spreading it around enough.

OP, the mistake that you're making (and that many others make) is you're trying to assign absolute mores to people and cultures based on the self-proclaimed ideals of the "society" as a whole, i.e. "The Feds are against slavery". Well, sure, some feds are against slavery. Others maybe not so much. Slavery might even be against federation law, but that doesn't mean that every single culture who considers themselves a part of the Federation supports that. The federation is made up of (probably thousands) of star systems, each one shared between a number of minor factions, all with their own political and social ideals in mind. Many of those ideals match up, some not so much, and there's no way of definitively knowing what is and isn't considered acceptable behavior from one system to the next, until the consequences of what isn't acceptable smack you in the face. As a matter of fact, these "shared" ideals are so uncertain that factions within the federation often start brutal wars with each other.

Federal Americans were against Slavery in 1863... except for the ones who weren't and didn't care for the war. They were also against unconstitutional imprisonments, until those northerners in greatest opposition to the war were imprisoned indefinitely without trial. Americans were also against "pillage and plunder", that is until they were fighting that brutal Civil War, and "heroes" like William Tecumseh Sherman made his famous march to the sea, burning and seizing and killing damn near everything in his path.

Modern western societies are "against slavery", until they need to buy cell phones or designer jeans, then all of a sudden all kinds of exceptions are made.

Then we get to the killing part. All of those Federal Security offices out there in the Galaxy.... each one of them is run by some sector-head who is going to accomplish his mission. He gets an order one day that says "Stem the flow of imperial slaves in system X." Does he tell his men to go out there, stop and board each ship, get all of the slaves off, issue a fine. No. He puts out the order for his units to engage any slavers they see with extreme prejudice. As for that cargo? If he picks it up he then has to deal with it. Know what? Better if all the cargo scanners on his squadron are out for maintenance that day.

Same goes for the Empire. I love all of the propaganda that people tell themselves and others -- "Imperial Slavery is OK! It's indentured servitude, and everyone gets a down pillow, and three hots and a cot!" Nonsense. There most certainly imperial societies who choose to treat their slaves this way, there are even some out there who oppose slavery in any fashion. There are also Imperial societies who treat their slaves like absolute pieces of      . I mean, who are they going to complain to, after all? They're slaves! And there are always more contract extensions to sign (against their will), and taxes and other impositions that can be imposed to lengthen their bonds of servitude.

Bottom line is, don't buy into the propaganda of benevolence. Slavery is bad. If you're going to engage in it, own it, and don't be surprised when someone comes along to deprive you of your livelihood by any means necessary, and for whatever reason that may be.

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He was in an FdL for pete's sake! It's basically an obligation to blow things up when you're in one of those bad boys. As long as he looked good while he was doing it:)

When you're flying or driving a killin' machine, your mind is pretty much set on killin' stuff. Every hot-shot pilot wants another star painted on their fuselage.
 
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Someone has to deliver them, otherwise they just sit there and rot.

Your move.

Not my move, I'm not the one holding them there. Imperial society creates slaves. Ultimately, it's not on some external entity to save the slaves. It's on Imperial society to stop creating slaves in the first place.
 
Not my move, I'm not the one holding them there. Imperial society creates slaves. Ultimately, it's not on some external entity to save the slaves. It's on Imperial society to stop creating slaves in the first place.
The Imperial power I follow, is against all slavery.

My point was; once the Imps have signed up to their new lives, they may as well be put to work. At the same time; I have already stated: There are others things that have greater profits, to haul. Therefore, I have no need to trade them any more.
 
Some Feds also hate Imperials for exterminating a sentient species a good while back as well.

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Attacking Imperial ships over currently policy is one thing, but over something that happened 700 years ago?
That is a disturbing rationalisation on actions.

Remembering that
"The Federation was formed circa 2240AD as a direct response to the colonists on Tau Ceti 3 ignoring Earth's demands to stop killing the native wildlife "

Should they by the same logic now attack Tau Ceti for those actions from 2240AD?
 

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Oh, and not to get too dark about it, but many modern sex slaves are technically "indentured servants".

Just sayin'...
 
"Fed"
"Hypocrisy"

Two words that are synonymous with one another. Federal Mottoes the world over: If you can't shoot it you aren't Federal enough.

Some day someone will write a fantasy story where we encounter aliens that are inherently all the things we wish to be and to have accomplished. Then just to create agony for us they'll make the aliens this way because they use better chemical signal carriers such as a more coherent structuring of their 5-HT2A receptors. This way every time we have to think about the aliens the only thing we can reflect on is our inherent suppressible nature and consequential doom as a species; the same doom any species which refuses to ALLOW for the use of its brains' potentials to be utilized experiences. Extinction. Animals dead-end because they can't build tool. We dead-end because of we doggedly refuse to evolve beyond the Rule of Stick.
 
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"Fed"
"Hypocrisy"

Two words that are synonymous with one another. Federal Mottoes the world over: If you can't shoot it you aren't Federal enough.

Some day someone will write a fantasy story where we encounter aliens that are inherently all the things we wish to be and to have accomplished. Then just to create agony for us they'll make the aliens this way because they use better chemical signal carriers such as a more coherent structuring of their 5-HT2A receptors. This way every time we have to think about the aliens the only thing we can reflect on is our inherent suppressible nature and consequential doom as a species; the same doom any species which refuses to ALLOW for the use of its brains' potentials to be utilized experiences. Extinction. Animals dead-end because they can't build tool. We dead-end because of we doggedly refuse to evolve beyond the Rule of Stick.

"Imperials"
"Decadence"

Anything goes to feed their hedonistic appetites.
 
Imperial Slaves (Who are treated with honour as it plays an important part of Imperial culture).

A defeated Samurai who disembowels himself with his own sword, committing seppuku, in order to have an "honorable" death is also "treated with honor" according to his cultural beliefs. That doesn't mean that I would personally consider this "honorable" or that I would feel justified in inflicting that expectation on someone else.
 
...because he has just brutally murdered 128 (tonnes of cargo, so it must have been quite a few more people) Imperial Slaves...

It's quite well established in lore that 1 tonne of slaves (both the regular and premium varieties) equals 1 slave, plus whatever cryogenics are needed to keep them alive and intact for transport.

...In practice, the protection imperial law grants imperial slaves makes them more wealthy than many "free" federal citizen wage-slaves in serious debt. They are well fed, clothed in fine liveries, educated (handy for when their servitude is finished), are provided free childcare, free healthcare and imperial law (theoretically) protects their dignities. Sure they work 12 hour days and it's their word against their master's but comparing their strife to the strife of those in the unregulated slave trade ignores the difference of degree in suffering...

You forgot about the part where an Imperial Slave can, without notice or recourse, be taken by their master, stuffed into a 1 metre by 2 metre cargo crate, cryo-frozen, and commoditized - shipped off to some random locale at the whim of the slave-merchants, or maybe even shipped out of the Empire entirely.

Imperial Slavery on the capital worlds might be a fine and dandy experience for the slave in question, but the vast majority of Imperial Slaves are not so fortunate. How many of you who trade Imp Slaves ship them to Achenar? Not many, I'd wager. Go to the galaxy map and read the System description for a typical Imperial mining colony, and you can read up on the likely fate of the vast majority of these people. I don't think it matters how much "protection" an Imperial Slave has in Imperial law; if they get tasked to work down in the mines, they probably aren't coming back out.
 
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The Imperials committed genocide to secure their home planet. Bit fresh of them to get all salty about some worker cows being sploded...
 
Not my move, I'm not the one holding them there. Imperial society creates slaves. Ultimately, it's not on some external entity to save the slaves. It's on Imperial society to stop creating slaves in the first place.

Indeed it is a failing of the Patrons that the economic and social conditions of their charge are such that massive numbers of the clients and citizens end up in debt they cannot service.

Imperial Slaves merely pay off their debts, Productive citizens can contribute to the state, which should they focus on decreasing and which should they increase numbers of.

To Quote Argon Armrend of the Wangal system

Argon Armrend said:
Nelder City closed its Space Doors this afternoon and crowds gathered in the dock area, free citizens and Imperial Slaves alike, to hear Argon Armrend CEO of the Angeli Imperial speak

“Friends, Citizens, Commanders, Imperials All
I address you all today, to speak on a matter of grave concern to the Empire and its continuing prosperity.
This threat to our great state is no external bogey man the media might use to stir up some furor, no; this threat comes from within the Empire itself.
“Ah” you say, “here we have just another politician looking to sling mud at his fellows, to gain a few points by accusing some rival of some mis-deed, real or imagined, and create a media circus about it”

No, I say, I am not here to accuse any one person of any misdeed, for the threat lies not in a person or power, but in the system itself, a cancer eating the Empire from within.

Systemic nepotism and cronyism, combined with a excessive reliance of slave labour has left the empire weak, rotten in the core and stagnating, like Venial Brass it is polished and luminous on the exterior but corroded within, & we, WE ALL, choose not to see it.

“But the Patron Client system is the basis of the empire” I hear you call out down the back. That the “traditions of Imperial Slavery is the backbone to our economy, and our society”, that we might keep face and still be productive citizens even when the worst strikes and we have nothing to our names.
And it is indeed true that these hallowed institutions are the backbone, the core, the spirit and essence of Imperial society, for what is an imperial citizen when they have lost all control of the destiny? What honour do they have left, when they are no longer the masters of their fact, but instead the flotsam and jetsam in an ocean of indifference.

I, myself, have undergone the rebirth of Imperial Bondage, from Imperial Citizen to Slave, to save myself from degradation and debit; but I ask you, why, why is it that so many of our number, so many promising Imperial youths full of vim and vigour and untapped potential end up debtors, end up selling themselves into bondage, why are they not filling the ranks of our Corporations and Public Offices?

Do we blame Sims? Drink? Drugs? Idle Decadence? Do we want to blame symptoms or do we want to address the cause? Look that those postings and stations we would traditionally equate to the young Imperial first stating their public life, and you will find the positions taken up with Imperial Slaves.

Yes, the bondsmen & women need some way to pay off their debts and reclaim their place as free and enfranchised citizens of the Empire, and yes they work hard to do that, but for minimal remuneration, remuneration that might not even service their debt, and so they are trapped never moving forward, all the whilst holding a position that would otherwise go a free citizen.

And when those roles free up, as infrequent as they do, why would anyone hire a free citizen who would demand a living wage, when one can penny pinch and exploit one bondsman to the legal edge of their contract.

Of course some jobs will go to Free citizens, but how are they selected, are the best and the brightness pit to go use where they be the next wave to push the Empire forward to an ever more glorious future?

Only if they have the nod of some venerable patron, one who is more interested in securing their own political position, by trading nepotism and cronyism for a few more voices to echo theirs at the forum or in the council meetings.

And having not come in from the ground level and pulled themselves up with their bootstraps, these political appointees have no experience to manage what they are assigned, and the wastage harms not only the Empire, but as their departments collapse, throw more citizens into unemployment and debt.
So what are we left with?

No job opportunities and no experience, our free citizens find themselves unable to pay their way; debt and exploitation is all that remains for them, whilst a few powerful patrons amass wealth and they and their clients watch from their palatial holdings
Is that the Empire we want?

It is time for a change, a time for the empire to embrace again the virtues of diligence, industry, perseverance & dutifulness. It is a time for the rewards to go again to those who serve the state, not to those who merely praise the right master.

Be you Freeman, Freedman or Bondsman; no matter you status, all citizens of the empire should be able to stand tall with a full frame, stand with honour, and have an opportunity to do their duty and earn their freedom, for none of us are truly free, unless we have a choice in our destiny.

I, Argon Armrend, vow, any system under my jurisdiction; Imperial Slaves will have fair wages so they might earn their freedom in a reasonable time; Free Citizens will find jobs so they can contribute to society by the merits they can bring and not by the patron that can name.

Together! Together we can all stand side by side, in our toil and relight the fire that once burnt so brightly in the hearts and souls of every Citizen!

Dignitas a Constantia Industriaque

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The Imperials committed genocide to secure their home planet. Bit fresh of them to get all salty about some worker cows being sploded...

I ask again

Attacking Imperial ships over currently policy is one thing, but over something that happened 700 years ago?
That is a disturbing rationalisation on actions.

Remembering that
"The Federation was formed circa 2240AD as a direct response to the colonists on Tau Ceti 3 ignoring Earth's demands to stop killing the native wildlife "

Should they by the same logic now attack Tau Ceti for those actions from 2240AD?
 
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