UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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rizal72

rizal72
Assuming it's a Thargoid Ship:

How can people debate the fact that it does not look like the thargoid ships of the previous games?

WAKE UP! :D

We are in 21th century now!

We are talking about games placed in two WIDELY different gaming era, where computers' processing power cannot be even compared.

The reason why thargoid ships have that shape, it's because in those ancient times when the game was developed, that was the ONE AND ONLY SHAPE that could resemble a flying saucer, a disk, the archetype of aliens still now.
One or two edges more, and the game would have crashed for not enough memory error :D

So please, think.

It's OBVIOUS that in ED the thargoid ships WILL BE DIFFERENT, VERY DIFFERENT. They will try to keep the "octagonal" thing, roughly, or perhaps just the number 8, (8 sides? 8 legs? 8 wings? And so on...), but believe me they'll be so different, and in line with modern times, modern sci-fi, modern design, modern everything.

What I like is that FD was clearly inspired by the AWESOME design of H.R. Giger for the Alien. I cannot imagine a better choice, really.

P.S. it's like making a remake of a famous Space Movie of the past, KEEPING THE EXACT SAME DESIGN of the time!
OMG... black and white and jelly/gummy monsters included: would you go and see it? Please...
Godzilla puppet comes to mind... :D

Times change.
 
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Cynaqq

Cynaqq
evaldo10 said:
Well I believe its certainly got Thargoid connections but we wont be seeing these things flying around space.

I want to know what tonked it.
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What makes you think that these won't be flying in space?

The way it crashed suggests it hit the ground with quite a velocity, causing it to be ripped apart as well as gathering up considerable amounts of dirt. The direction it came and hit the ground is pretty clear.

I don't think a non-flying object would create such a crash site.
 

Saool

Saool
This idea occurred to me. The 'top' visible section is roughly Thargoid shaped, as per my previous image on page 1120. There is then another section that is also roughly octagon but much deeper in the other side. Then we have the various arms. I'm just going to speculate that the Thargoid ships we have seen previously were only part of what they can be: the top bit. And that different sections can separate. And when it is hole it is the top 'traditional' Thargoid shape, a larger body section under that, and maybe three to five large arm structures attached. So the image we saw during games con of something on the ground was a full ship stood on its legs. And the image we saw with a damaged Cobra was a full ship with those arms folded to a near point for travel or combat.

Just an idea. Not sold on myself really.
 

Lacrimosa

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rizal72 said:
Assuming it's a Thargoid Ship:

How can people debate the fact that it does not look like the thargoid ships of the previous games?

WAKE UP! :D

We are in 21th century now!

We are talking about games placed in two WIDELY different gaming era, where computers' processing power cannot be even compared.

The reason why thargoid ships have that shape, it's because in those ancient times when the game was developed, there was the ONE AND ONLY SHAPE that could resemble a flying saucer. One or two edges more, and the game Would crash for not enough memory error :D

So please, think.

It's OBVIOUS that in ED the thargoid ships WILL BE DIFFERENT, VERY DIFFERENT. Tehy will try to keep the "octagonal" thing, roughly, or perhaps just the number 8, (8 sides? 8 legs? 8 wings? And so on...), but believe me they'll be so different, and accorded to modern times, modern sci-fi, modern design, modern everything.

What I like is that FD was clearly inspired by the AWESOME design of H.R. Giger for the Alien. I cannot imagine a better choice, really.

P.S. it's like making a remake of a famous Space Movie of the past, KEEPING THE EXACT SAME DESIGN of the time!
OMG... would you go and see it? Please...
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Sir, game engine of at least Elite FE was perfectly capable of rendering very complex structures, for these times at least

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Original Battlestar Galactica and 2003 remake, the moment you see the ships you know what type is it, battlestars were more or less unchanged, while baseships were quite similar
 
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SirNotAppearing

SirNotAppearing
evaldo10 said:
The arms/appendiges are attached to the central core. There are several other appendages scatterer around.

I think it may have 8 legs there are 2 large central legs the others appear to be smaller or they could be fragments from the larger legs.
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You are probably right about the ship, but I still have a feeling that all the alien objects in the game are not all Thargoid in origin.
 

rizal72

rizal72
Lacrimosa said:
Sir, game engine of at least Elite FE was perfectly capable of rendering very complex structures, for these times at least

http://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/baf8aede1efd649a63c55962b8b30b62-650-80.jpg
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Are you serious? :eek:
My point was another. never mind.
They will fly wireframe octagons, ok?

I'm a game developer however, the first game I decompiled was Elite in 1984...

The point is that ED is a Reboot. A Reboot designed in 21th century, using 21th century technology and design capabilities.
So, some re-think and re-design is at least expected. How boring is an octagon? ;)

Cheers
 
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Cynaqq

Cynaqq
SirNotAppearing said:
You are probably right about the ship, but I still have a feeling that all the alien objects in the game are not all Thargoid in origin.
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This is definitely right, and also confirmed by DB himself in streams. Thargoids will definitely be in the game but there'll definitely be other intelligent alien species too.

Personally I don't believe the UA, UP and the barnacles are Thargoid. They are from a different origin in my opinion but the three are from the same source. This crashed craft is Thargoid and its not from the same source with the other three. Too many design differences.

I think the stories are related, as in the makers of the UA, UP and the barnacle are enemies with the Thargoids.
 

Lacrimosa

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rizal72 said:
Are you serious? :eek:
My point was another. never mind.
They will fly wireframe octagons, ok?

I'm a game developer however, the first game I decompiled was Elite in 1984...

The point is that ED is a Reboot. A Reboot designed in 21th century, using 21th century technology and design capabilities.
So, some re-think and re-design is at least expected. How boring is an octagon? ;)

Cheers
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So why most human ships look just like the ones from previous games, just adapted to the 21 century technology ? Why the Thargoids were changed, while the Sidewinder or Cobra Mk3 is the same "boring" "blocky" design ? Iconic ships , you may say, but aren't octagonal Thargoids also iconic :) ?

Thanks for answering so fast :)
 
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Snooch leBooch

Snooch leBooch
Patau82 said:
are you near a planet, if so gravity is pulling it towards the planet
its falling ;)
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Hehe, occam's at it's finest. Yes and no, i tried it free floating with no cel. bodies around and right on top of the wreck, both moved, that's why i'm asking. Going to run away from any body for a bit and try again. Thanks for the input.
 

Niamhy

Niamhy
mostly because the shapes of sidewinder, cobra, anaconda etc are iconic, and recognisable. no point changing it much. Aliens, however, can be as alien as FD want them to be. Clouds of plasma? yup. giant slugs? yup. walking anemonies? kk. they can be anything they want them to be, cos it's FD's game, in FD's universe. I welcome the change 100% - if the hunt had lead us to an octagnal "oolite" Thargoid ship, I would have been VERY disappointed.
 

Cynaqq

Cynaqq
Lacrimosa said:
So why most human ships look just like the ones from previous games, just adapted to the 21 century technology ? Why the Thargoids were changed, while the Sidewinder or Cobra Mk3 is the same "boring" "blocky" design ?

Thanks for answering so fast :)
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The official statement (sorry, no links for this from me) is that at the time, they simply didn't have the chance to show a truly alien, insectoid species so foreign to human technology and design. Now that they have, they overhauled the Thargoid design quite a bit, while paying homage to the original octagonal saucers, which was a compromise which left a lot to imagination.

The short answer is, they wanted to make Thargoids as far from humanoid as possible this time because they can but they have to be loyal to the number eight in their design in some way.
 

Eugen Bold

Eugen Bold
Cynaqq said:
This is definitely right, and also confirmed by DB himself in streams. Thargoids will definitely be in the game but there'll definitely be other intelligent alien species too.

Personally I don't believe the UA, UP and the barnacles are Thargoid. They are from a different origin in my opinion but the three are from the same source. This crashed craft is Thargoid and its not from the same source with the other three. Too many design differences.

I think the stories are related, as in the makers of the UA, UP and the barnacle are enemies with the Thargoids.
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Well, we know that the UAs point to the Merope system.

We also know that UPs have (apparently?) been found at random around ammonia worlds and broadcast data about the world back to Merope.

And we know that the Barnacles sound similar to both.

Hypothesis: if these 3 alien constructs are NOT somehow of thargoid origin and are from another intelligent alien race, then it is possible that this other race is aware of thargoid existence and some basic facts about them (eg, living on ammonia-based worlds) and is keeping tabs on the area around Merope for an unknown reason. (Perhaps serving as a sort of "forward-warning" station where they expect/know the Thargoids will arrive at first?)

Anyone know where I can easily get my hands on (all) of the Elite books? (free or paid, as long as it's legal :D )
 

NBSG-Fan

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Congratulations to CMDR Nochtrach - CMDR BALALAIKAX3 - CMDR Ihazevich for this great find. The ship design is really great!

I think combat - and we will have combat against these things seeing how triggerhappy our community is - might get interesting. As this thing has somekind of claws (?) and wings (??) it might like to come really close, clawing into the ship and releasing its green goo into the internal ship structure destroying our modules directly. Or spraying the Meta-acid all over the ship in a "free paintjob" style. Maybe we should invest more in armor instead of shields especially as we know they can use some kind of EMP which has quite an effect considering how small the UP Probe is. The real thing might just knock out a capital class cruiser if it can use the EMP blast the same way. Let the Cannon research Meta-Armor (TM) in the near future its probably more efficent against our new alien enemys. We also want to upgrade our weapon with heat damage modules. I think they won´t like heat....
 
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