Is there a problem with the CG reward tier calculation? How is this explained?

NeilF

NeilF
So, the current Lavian Brandy CG... Take a look at my standing:-

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How is that possible? How many other (mad) CMDRs have delivered 1T like me? What have those 1277 other CMDRs done to put them below me? And we all know, those that have delivered 0T, who haven't delivered at all, they're not included... Are they?

Doesn't that image suggest no delivery stats are being included? The implication? If 100,000 CMDRs simply sign up (& don't take part) then every CMDR really taking part could be in the top 10% or so?

Anyhow... How do you explain that image? What am I missing? ;)
 
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H3lios

H3lios
I think, because so few have participated, that the sim is concluding that 100%-71% would be a half ton or some other fraction. But it's not possible for players to delever less than a ton so everybody gets to be in the top 70%. Thats just an educated guess tho.
 

fennster

fennster
NeilF said:
So, the current Lavian Brandy CG... Take a look at my standing:-

http://i.imgur.com/dOOURhJ.jpg

How is that possible? How many other (mad) CMDRs have delivered 1T like me? And of course, for those that have delivered 0T, who haven't delivered at all, they're not included... Are they?

Doesn't that image suggest no delivery stats are being included? The implication? If 100,000 CMDRs simply sign up (& don't take part) then every CMDR really taking part could be in the top 10% or so?

Anyhow... How do you explain that image? ;)
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It's always been the case that signing up counts you as a contributor. I have been to many CGs as first arrived and signed up and it has displayed 1 Contributor with zero contributions.

But ever since the 'sign up from any station' update in 2.0, it has started giving untrue readings. The first ever CG where this mechanic was availible had 11,000 contributors for a low key non descript BH CG, not even the Obsidian Orbital CG broke 10,000. IMO contributing should count on the first tonne. It's not uncommon now that the utmost minimal 1 unit will always place you in the 75 or 70% bracket. 99% is difficult, more difficult than placing in the top 5 CMDRs.

This rares CG is probably a bit different, I could imagine that a lot of people would've picked up a small allocation of rares, had to deliver the long distance and decided it wasn't worth their time. So you could be sitting at the bottom of the 70-100% pile.

It's worth mention if 100,000 CMDRs were to sign up and deliver 1 unit each it would force them into the reward brackets equally. I have seen it before with a rares where the first 4 players turned up with 12 tonnes each, but were spread across the board.
 

Andovar

Andovar
NeilF said:
Doesn't that image suggest no delivery stats are being included? The implication? If 100,000 CMDRs simply sign up (& don't take part) then every CMDR really taking part could be in the top 10% or so?
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Pretty much this.
If 100 sign up, and 30 people don't deliver anything, then just delivering 1 ton would put you in the top 70%.

I think with goals like this, people sign up, then see whats actually required and say "screw that. I don't feel like ferrying goods that far."
 
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NeilF

NeilF
Andovar said:
Pretty much this.
If 100 sign up, and 30 people don't deliver anything, then just delivering 1 ton would put you in the top 70%.

I think with goals like this, people sign up, then see whats actually required and say "screw that. I don't feel like ferrying goods that far."
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But when you haven't delivered anything, the game says you have supplied insufficient units etc... So suggests you're discounted?


The implication of this is, now we can sign up to CGs from anywhere, and how easy it is, every CMDR should sign up to every CG! Even if they don't participate they will push other CMDRs up the table!

Clearly the maths is wrong?!?! I'm going to raise this as a bug :)
 
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Vasious

Vasious
No harm in bug reporting it just in case

But I would agree it would be a result of people signing up, but never delivering anything.

A Consequence of being able to sign up anywhere.

It says " insufficient units " to qualify for the reward, but you still count in the number of contributors, I am sure.

Not that I am saying this is a bad thing, I am signed up to the Exploration and Cargo goals at Jaques, but I have not arrived as quick as planned due to over time in real life, and so one and soon both will end with my contribution being ZERO.
 

DocLooshkin

DocLooshkin
I saw the same thing in a mining CG, before the sign-up-anywhere UI was added. I signed up, but didn't realise it wanted freshly-mined platinum (or whatever it was), rather than platinum bought from somewhere else. So did thousands of other players. Refitting for my first attempt at mining and delivering one tonne put me in the top 60%, I think. As bugs go, it's a bit silly - and I hope FD finds time to fix it.
 

Andovar

Andovar
Vasious said:
It says " insufficient units " to qualify for the reward, but you still count in the number of contributors, I am sure.
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Yeah, I think this is it.
To reuse my earlier example, the 30 people who didn't deliver anything would fall under the "insufficient contributions", and the 1-toners would be in the top 70%, and no one would be in the top 100% category.

But I agree, it does seem a bit jacked up. Just signing up shouldn't add you into the mix.
 

Shawnski

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Let's say 65% of people delivered 2 tonnes or more. 30% of people delivered 1 tonne and 5% of people delivered 0 tonnes.
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All those people who delivered 1 tonne would be in the "top 70%" because they TIED for it.
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Or do you want to hold a lottery to see which of them make it and which don't?
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I fail to see a bug.
 

NeilF

NeilF
Vasious said:
No harm in bug reporting it just in case

But I would agree it would be a result of people signing up, but never delivering anything.

A Consequence of being able to sign up anywhere.

It says " insufficient units " to qualify for the reward, but you still count in the number of contributors, I am sure.

Not that I am saying this is a bad thing, I am signed up to the Exploration and Cargo goals at Jaques, but I have not arrived as quick as planned due to over time in real life, and so one and soon both will end with my contribution being ZERO.
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If this is the case (people who sign up and do not contribute affect the ratings), then this wasn't really a problem in earlier levels as you had to go to the station to sign up, showing a level of commitment. Now it's basically just a click away, taking a few seconds from anywhere.

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Shawnski said:
Let's say 65% of people delivered 2 tonnes or more. 30% of people delivered 1 tonne and 5% of people delivered 0 tonnes.
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All those people who delivered 1 tonne would be in the "top 70%" because they TIED for it.
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Or do you want to hold a lottery to see which of them make it and which don't?
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I fail to see a bug.
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The issue is, now we can sign up super easily to CGs, all CMDRs could simply get into the habit of signing up to any/all CGs. We'd then get into the farcicle results of probably everyone actually taking part, no matter by how much, finishing in the top 10 to percent because the game has pushed them up there based on the 50,000 CMDRs who did nothing more than sign up.

The game should completely ignore CMDRs from such results until they've contributed. Especially now signing up is so easy.
 

sndle9

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I just shovel whatever until it says top 10% or top X commanders, then a bit more for luck.
Seems to work out OK for me :)
 

PavelKCZ

PavelKCZ
NeilF said:
So, the current Lavian Brandy CG... Take a look at my standing:-

http://i.imgur.com/dOOURhJ.jpg

How is that possible? How many other (mad) CMDRs have delivered 1T like me? What have those 1277 other CMDRs done to put them below me? And we all know, those that have delivered 0T, who haven't delivered at all, they're not included... Are they?

Doesn't that image suggest no delivery stats are being included? The implication? If 100,000 CMDRs simply sign up (& don't take part) then every CMDR really taking part could be in the top 10% or so?

Anyhow... How do you explain that image? What am I missing? ;)
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It was always that way.

I suppose that they are counting the percentage from the total number of players who signed to CG, not from the real number of players who actually contributed any amount of something.
IMHO it is not a simple bug, but basic mistake in thinking of the game designer. It did not comes to his/her mind, that there can be peoples who will sign to CG and subsequently do nothing.
 

Paineframe

P
NeilF said:
The issue is, now we can sign up super easily to CGs, all CMDRs could simply get into the habit of signing up to any/all CGs. We'd then get into the farcicle results of probably everyone actually taking part, no matter by how much, finishing in the top 10 to percent because the game has pushed them up there based on the 50,000 CMDRs who did nothing more than sign up.

The game should completely ignore CMDRs from such results until they've contributed. Especially now signing up is so easy.
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Sure, but why would they? If people aren't planning on participating, there's no particular reason for them to sign up. They don't benefit from it at all, and even if this is massively "abused", the worst-case scenario is that some people get the "minor contribution" reward instead of the basic participation award.
 

NeilF

NeilF
Paineframe said:
Sure, but why would they? If people aren't planning on participating, there's no particular reason for them to sign up. They don't benefit from it at all, and even if this is massively "abused", the worst-case scenario is that some people get the "minor contribution" reward instead of the basic participation award.
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Look at the first post. I'd suggest that implies a quarter of the people signed up haven't participated.

My rediculous 1t is worth 10mCR because of that :)


And it seems common. Note how I'm being pushed up here by hundreds of CMDRs who have not participated. I should be in the 1% not earning anything surely?:-

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Anyway... FD said they're looking into it - https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...onsideration?p=4451034&viewfull=1#post4451034
 
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