My Homage: Python vs Asp

Tunksy · Aug 7, 2016

I just read in another thread you can swap engineered modules between ships. Gonna give it a shot to put the Asp's FSD into the Python the extra 10% optimal mass will let me A-rate her a bit more.
This is definitely a game changer, simply because I can have a multi role explorer and keep a decent jump range for the sparse regions and Beagle Point.

Cdr Voorheez · Aug 8, 2016

Yes you can CMDR I do it regularly just make sure you have a stable internet connection. If you crash you can lose the module.

Tunksy · Aug 16, 2016

I took the plunge!
I departed Base Camp Zero yesterday in my 39.53Ly Python;
https://coriolis.io/outfit/python/0...03---3c111104v4450i2i2f.AwRj45VMqkZA.Aw18eQ==
I'm giving myself until Armstrong Landing to make a D on keeping the mining gear, but I don't think my jump range is going to be a massive issue.
The general plan is to go steady and detail scan every system, both ways, gathering materials as I go.

o7 Commanders!

Mostly Awol · Aug 16, 2016

I did DWE in a Conda and while it was enjoyable I felt large and bloated. I still own it and will be keeping it with some upgrades but currently just did the Jaunt to Jaques in a Python and loved it. It looks sweet, fast and flies like a dream. To Jaques I had a 28LY jump and coming back I had a 35LY jump range. (Mostly Cargo but did dump the small pulse lasers.) Personally the ASP is a great ship if you can ignore the looks. I can't so I do not fly it. The ship I would love to take back out into the deep is a Diamondback Explorer but damn it needs a larger fuel scoop. Did a Sag A* in a DBE and love every minute except the ones sitting next to stars waiting for fuel. My next trip is the Small Worlds Expedition and will be taking a Courier out as I want to see what it can really do. After that I have no idea what I will be flying but I do know I will only be flying ships I love to look at.

Satsuma · Aug 17, 2016

I resisted the Asp for a long time. I loved my Cobra, and I wanted some non-Lakon alternative to step up to. When I signed up for DWE, however, I knew I needed a 33 ly ship, and so I bought an Asp. I hated it at first. It's a big ship that feels like a big ship, and it's not fast after the speediness of the Cobra. After spending 8 months straight in my Asp (yes, I still haven't come back from DWE), I've decided I love the thing. It's the view from the cockpit, really. I don't think I'll ever go back to something with a limited view for long distance exploration. After about 4 months in it, I started to even love the appearance of it. It's a squat, businesslike ship that looks every bit like the military gunship it's supposed to be derived from. And it's tough*. Very tough*.

As for landing, I figured out how to remap a spare on my X-52 to the vertical thruster axis, and now every landing (save one*) is nice and easy.

Here's the cheapo outfit I took on DWE. It's served me extremely well.

*Note to self: Just because you live in a state that has legalized marijuana, that doesn't mean it's a good idea to partake of the leaf and then try to land on the pitch-black nightside of a planet.

Tunksy · Sep 3, 2016

Well, I skipped quite a few base camps on my way through the cosmos.
I jonked my way to Jaques place for the CG, and I got there just in time to get a nice boost to the spendings.
Did a quick spot of mining for materials in the rings there, with few results, so the mining lasers are gonna go.
Now for some leisurely hunting for jumponium, Herbigs, black holes and carbon stars as I blaze my trail to Beagle Point!

o7

ahwala · Sep 3, 2016

Just wanted to chime in to express my consternation caused by all this AspX hate I had to witness here.

Not only is she by far the most capable exploration vessel*, she also has the best cockpit/canopy and yes, she also has the most character and is one of the best-looking ships in the game, from pretty much any angle:

So now that this is settled, would you please refrain from further belittling the best ship in the game and instead give her the respect she deserves? Because I don't enjoy being triggered like that. Thank you.

*

Seriously, who wants to fly that brick the Anaconda is in supercruise any further than is necessary?

HEIFEHEN · Sep 3, 2016

I love how AspX looks, extremely compact - and still with style, something that can endure deep space missions, as well as being capable of defending itself if you kit it right.
To each it's own, I guess, but I wouldn't ever call my AspX "ugly".

verminstar · Sep 3, 2016

In 2 minds about aspx or python...having never actually owned a python, I find myself listening to two sides of the story and both sides have their merits and drawbacks in seemingly equal measure. I love my aspx...I honestly never really had the desire to upgrade to anything else, ergo I never had that need to make lots of money in this game. It's an interesting ship in combat...found out very early what it's like to fly in space with no canopy. Good thing fer me there's no rats out here in the black because out in the black is exactly where it excels fer me.

That's a non engineer adapted asp...that's another aspect of the game I simply have zero interest in. I've heard the python is good and wouldn't mind trying it out sometime, so will keep an eye out fer threads like this. If the unmodded aspx is still better on paper as it were, than an unmodded python, then chances are I'll never own a python unless I got money to burn and they start selling them in jacques cos I'm closer to there than I am to anywhere else that sells them ^^

HEIFEHEN · Sep 3, 2016

verminstar said:
In 2 minds about aspx or python...having never actually owned a python, I find myself listening to two sides of the story and both sides have their merits and drawbacks in seemingly equal measure. I love my aspx...I honestly never really had the desire to upgrade to anything else, ergo I never had that need to make lots of money in this game. It's an interesting ship in combat...found out very early what it's like to fly in space with no canopy. Good thing fer me there's no rats out here in the black because out in the black is exactly where it excels fer me.

That's a non engineer adapted asp...that's another aspect of the game I simply have zero interest in. I've heard the python is good and wouldn't mind trying it out sometime, so will keep an eye out fer threads like this. If the unmodded aspx is still better on paper as it were, than an unmodded python, then chances are I'll never own a python unless I got money to burn and they start selling them in jacques cos I'm closer to there than I am to anywhere else that sells them ^^

Depends on what you mean by "better". AspX will always be better than Python in terms of jump range, which can be a selling point for a lot of people - besides, Python costs much more credits, while AspX is cheap, and the best exploration ship available.

Now, modded - Python still won't be as good as Asp for jump range (you can get around 30ly, in a defensive build), but Python is overall a ship that can do a bit of everything, that being trading, exploring and even combat - while AspX is more of a exploration-based ship, though you can mod Asp to be jack-of-all trades as well, it just won't be as good as the Python, hence the prices of those ships, Python costs more not without a reason.

newman1702 · Sep 3, 2016

The AspX is Elite's station wagon - there is no denying it's usefulness, but it bores me to tears. It's all efficiency, no soul packed in an unispiderd squashed diamond shape. So, the negatives are purely subjective; some still love to fly it. I'd prefer the slow lumebring Conda with it's long sc turns and lower visibility over the better-on-paper (except for range) Asp any day of the week. Python.. I guess you could do that. The low range will get old really fast, though, if you can throw some fsd mods on it if you opt for it.

verminstar · Sep 4, 2016

HEIFEHEN said:
Depends on what you mean by "better". AspX will always be better than Python in terms of jump range, which can be a selling point for a lot of people - besides, Python costs much more credits, while AspX is cheap, and the best exploration ship available.

Now, modded - Python still won't be as good as Asp for jump range (you can get around 30ly, in a defensive build), but Python is overall a ship that can do a bit of everything, that being trading, exploring and even combat - while AspX is more of a exploration-based ship, though you can mod Asp to be jack-of-all trades as well, it just won't be as good as the Python, hence the prices of those ships, Python costs more not without a reason.

Ye I'm getting that vibe that it's on the lower end of the market in terms of how useful it is overall...sorta like a skoda versus the bmw or the merc.

30ly I could live with...it wouldn't be much less than I have now so it's not the range that bugs me. I could actually live with less because I do take my time anyway.

In terms of cost, I can afford to buy it but not outfit a python...I believe others have said the python only really becomes effective when it's A rated on various threads here and there. Time will tell anyway cos I'm nowhere near the bubble anyway and still going in the wrong direction...I'll stop into jacques sometime in the next week maybe but it's hard to get rich out here.

[VR] optimal_909 · Sep 4, 2016

verminstar said:
Ye I'm getting that vibe that it's on the lower end of the market in terms of how useful it is overall...sorta like a skoda versus the bmw or the merc.

30ly I could live with...it wouldn't be much less than I have now so it's not the range that bugs me. I could actually live with less because I do take my time anyway.

In terms of cost, I can afford to buy it but not outfit a python...I believe others have said the python only really becomes effective when it's A rated on various threads here and there. Time will tell anyway cos I'm nowhere near the bubble anyway and still going in the wrong direction...I'll stop into jacques sometime in the next week maybe but it's hard to get rich out here.

More like Skoda vs. a cool youngtimer barge, like a classic Jag XJ, Lincoln Town Car or even a Merc W123.

Sylar N7 · Sep 4, 2016

I'd lose one heatsink launcher, you won't need two. Also since you can refill the AFM so there's no need for two.

Between the two, I would definitely go with Asp Explorer. The title is in it's name, Explorer. That beautiful ship was built for exploration. You can get a good shield and fast thrusters(close to 400 boost) on it with an engineer modified FSD giving you over 40lys range, which you'll definitely want for crossing the Abyss. You can even go for the rank 4 upgrade and you'll still get a big boost in range.

I love the Python, it's a fantastic ship. Great at just about everything. But at exploration, Asp all the way.

Eloy · Sep 4, 2016

x Sylar321 x said:
I'd lose one heatsink launcher, you won't need two. Also since you can refill the AFM so there's no need for two.

But an AFMU can´t repair itself. So I go for two of them.

Muetdhiver · Sep 5, 2016

I did explore with the python and the anaconda, but since I got my trackIR, I hate their canopies for exploring.
If only we could buy alternate canopies for them.

One ship I use to explore close to the bubble is the iCourrier. Fantastic cockpit view, very tough shields, very fast with engineers,
and enough internals for exploration. 32 lyr range* is plenty enough for me.

I would love to use the Ocra if it was not for the POS jump range.

*Thx to engies, obviously.

disorganise · Sep 5, 2016

Eloy said:
But an AFMU can´t repair itself. So I go for two of them.

True, but.....what are the chances of destroying the afmu? Slim. And even if it gets to 0% you can reboot repair it back health and repair the components that sacrificed their health for the afmu.
I'm a total novice explorer out ay Beagle Point due to Distant Worlds Expedition and everything is over 90% health. I don't think I even repaired anything to avoid tempting fate.
Of course it's weightless so if you've nothing else to put into the slot you might as well take a 2nd afmu.....I highly doubt you will use it though.

Tunksy · Oct 29, 2016

Well, I just realized I made a rookie mistake. A big one!
On my last few jumps to Waypoint 12 I arrived smack-bang between a contact binary with less than 3ls separation.
During my immediate action drill I commanded a heat purge. To my horror the temp was still climbing!
Fortunately, I got away with a handful of % damage to each module, nothing the AFMU didn't fix.
I saw my mistake straight away. I had off-loaded my heat sink launchers at Jaque's place!
Fortunately it's only an 11000kly backtrack to refit. Not worth the risk pressing on.

See you out there!
o7