Yea but ED isn't a video game like Candy crush, created for instant fun, it's a game, right, a game asking for some investment in order to have fun. And you must realize, many of us find fun by this way.
2.2's Instant Ship and Module Transport - Yay or Nay?
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Yea but ED isn't a video game like Candy crush, created for instant fun, it's a game, right, a game asking for some investment in order to have fun. And you must realize, many of us find fun by this way.
I understand your point, I honestly do, but, FD has to balance a fine line between video game and simulator.
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I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking your arguments, or lack of them as I see it, but on the subject of attacks you described the people in this thread who disagree with your viewpoint as paranoid, and a panicking mob.
From what I can see, you either have instant ship transport or you have some kind of timer (or arbitrary garbage timer as you refer to them).
You're saying "Hey, we need ship transport and I'm not keen on instant one little bit - but any sort of timer is unacceptable."
This boils down to "I want instant ship transport."
Okay, I've got it.
That's a perfectly valid viewpoint, there's no shame in it, so say it like it is.
I do get confused by your points... Are we still talking about the fact you'd like to still have some say in where your ship goes, even while in the transition phase?
If so I thought we'd covered that? And it's a valid issue but quite addressable?
Erm.... I'm not suggesting that we stand in front of timers for entertainment. I'm saying that in the real world we often have a timer of one kind or another describing when an event will occur, so the concept of the timed delivery of our space craft in the game, (ie using a timer) should not in itself, cause a problem.
If it isn't instant, then it is timed - unless the scheduler is on onionhead and time is too abstract a concept for him.
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People are discussing micro jumps, related to the recent GalNet meta drive article.
That assumes you have a ship there to do the thing you want to do. If that's the case, why transfer a ship at all? Instant transfer is a convenience to allow you to get the ship you want where you want, assuming you have the money and shipyard. I can see this really shining in the first contact events, enabling many more players to be involved with community events.
I think you do see because that was the point of my response.
Barrier, balance, justification, however the devs wish to sort it out. Discussing cost at this point is largely irrelevant, there will be some cost, the devs say it will be based on ship cost and transfer distance. Cost and instant transfer are simple to adjust, as the Michael and Sandro have mentioned. I imagine most of the cost issue will be sorted out on the beta. If 5-15 minutes is such a small time, why have it at all? Sandro makes this point as well.
Instant transfer is a simple economic exchange, money for time. If you have the time but not money, instant transfer doesn't affect you. If you have the money, but not the time, instant transfer makes sense. If you have both time and money, you have to evaluate if the time saved is worth the money spent. If you have neither time nor money, you have to evaluate which is worth more then work to earn it.
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Travel is still a serious point of the game, even with instant transfer, and more features are being added to enhance travel. But travel in and of itself isn't gameplay.
I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking your arguments, or lack of them as I see it, but on the subject of attacks you described the people in this thread who disagree with your viewpoint as paranoid, and a panicking mob.
From what I can see, you either have instant ship transport or you have some kind of timer (or arbitrary garbage timer as you refer to them).
You're saying "Hey, we need ship transport and I'm not keen on instant one little bit - but any sort of timer is unacceptable."
This boils down to "I want instant ship transport."
Okay, I've got it.
I suggested send to, as an example. Multiple times. Apparently it doesn't matter what I say because people will just paraphrase it to suit.
I don't like timers. Instant isn't my preference, but I like instant a lot more than I like interruptive timers. Send-to avoids both, but inserts the concept of time elapsing, without leaving commanders twiddling thumbs at the other end.
It uses existing mechanics and doesn't require suspension of belief. I send a ship, I fly to the same place. There is my ship. Time has elapsed. I don't have to wait. I can go do the things.
I was told this wasn't acceptable, because it's not as useful as pulling ships to me, because it "still requires people fly around".
The irony of that, still gets me, by the way. It's actually hilarious.
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That whole thing can be balanced out with cost, time is money. Of that works out to be more profitable per time them the cost can be adjusted to mitigate profits.
I'm on Picard's side:
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Yes, and casuals, noob, all not rich players will cry about a feature only for rich ppl...
Because the game (for many of us) relies on the suspension of disbelief, and 5-15 minutes would help maintain that suspension and instantaneous transfer would help destroy it. Does that answer your question?
Sandro makes this point as well? Well it might carry more weight if we hadn't been told that he fought hard to have a delay.
Michael already said cargo will not be transferred.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...opers/page88?p=4414769&viewfull=1#post4414769
So which is less of a suspension; a timer that you wait for, or sending a ship ahead? Just curious.
Then continue to suspend your belief. Also, if the 5-15 minute delay is arbitrary, that doesn't help immersion. AnytHing that could take perils away from the game (logging out, stripping away from the computer) isn't a good feature.
Fought hard, and was convinced otherwise, doesn't that carry weight as well?
I don't understand your stance on this? You're talking to people - I believe - who prefer the idea of a delayed delivery system (instead of instant), just like you (?) and yet you're seemingly picking fights/issues over nuances of it.
I fully understand your issue on the issue of also liking the idea of being able to request a ship in transit can be re-routed else where...
And now you're talking about the premise of sending a ship ahead, rather than requesting it. Again, I can understand this... and it would be nice. Indeed it's what I was sort of suggested nearly 2yrs ago (as regards ship + CMDR transportation) - https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ip-Transfers?p=1188301&viewfull=1#post1188301
I don't understand why the arguing? You're making perfectly valid points... Just make them. I agree with the two I've managed to understand so far.
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Because the system that decides how long the delay is, is also the system that decides if your requested move is even possible within the constraints of what your ship is capable of, or because the timer is a placeholder for another feature, such as ordering your ships crew to come and meet you, or a precursor to NPC wing mates, or... Instant transfer doesn't lead to any new content, would be impossible to retcon and if the devs had never mentioned it in the first place, nobody would even care if it was even a thing. They would be happy with the massive time saving of not having to move the ship themselves, now though, anything other than instant is worse than what we have now apparently.
Why should it be 5-15? It should be something that fits in the game mechanics well, which I'd suggest would strangely be a realistic time for that ship to cover that distance... If it can indeed even cover the jumps involved?
It's more subtle than that. It changes some of the considerations of the game and might miss the opportunity to reward forward planning. And it might even upset the already almost non-existent CMDR pirate vs CMDR trader balance...
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Neil it's pretty simple. If I send a ship, then chase it, time elapses, it's not instant from my perspective because I still had to travel; I have no delay at the other end, however, because both events are occurring in parallel.
I am not twiddling my thumbs. I don't have to experience pretend time waiting pretend periods that requires I do stuff or sit at the menu waiting.
I fly to a ship location, I send it where I need it next, I fly to that next location, done. How is this complicated? The difference, if you are still struggling, is that the time elapses while I am travelling. Not afterwards.
It ensures there is consideration for reality, allows time to elapse, without burdening the player with interruption for the sake of the illusion.
My point is that there is already one way to have the cake and eat it; namely some sort of remotely realistic time expectation, and yet have that not consume valuable commander time at the other end.
I am sure there are other ways a similar synergy can be leveraged to bake in time. I am simply asking can we possibly do that first, before all rushing off and nodding heads for interruptive timers.
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Which seems to be a distinction between going to the store (and getting them to deliver) then returning home and placing an online order in the first place - one requires some travel, the other does not.
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