The pew pew brigade? Nope. You'll find that the vast majority of the "pew pew" brigade are the ones that don't want transfer ti be instant. It would be nice if it didn't take as long as it woukd to do it yourself (otherwise what's the point?) but most of us are people that have enjoyed the game, warts, grind and all.
2.2's Instant Ship and Module Transport - Yay or Nay?
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The pew pew brigade? Nope. You'll find that the vast majority of the "pew pew" brigade are the ones that don't want transfer ti be instant. It would be nice if it didn't take as long as it woukd to do it yourself (otherwise what's the point?) but most of us are people that have enjoyed the game, warts, grind and all.
Not sure if everyone here has tried the SRV gameplay but the switching from ship/dismissing to orbit has timers which seem ok. Your ship even flies itself into orbit and can land again in realtime which is imo nice to see. Could just extend this mechanic.
I still advocate working with the 1:1 galaxy design. It is a huge gameplay area, so traversing it should be an enjoyable experience. You will be doing it most of the time ! Now that credits are easier to gain why not just have multiple bases of operation with small fleets stationed at key locations and shuttle between them ?
I still advocate working with the 1:1 galaxy design. It is a huge gameplay area, so traversing it should be an enjoyable experience. You will be doing it most of the time ! Now that credits are easier to gain why not just have multiple bases of operation with small fleets stationed at key locations and shuttle between them ?
What? I am at location A. I have a ship at A. I send this to B. I am heading to location B. Other ship is at C. I also want this at B. I fly to C. I send the next ship to B. I then chase both ships to B. I can now immediately do stuff.
This is still saving time.
I have five ships at C, I am already at C, I want to move house to B. I send everything to B. I then chase them to B. I can now immediately do stuff.
This is still saving time.
I am now at B. I have done some stuff. Oh look, a CG has started at A. Well no problem. I sign up. I send the the ship or ships I need at B, then I chase them.
This is still saving time.
The difference is, flying is still relevant and required. Planning is required. However suspension of belief, and of timers are not. Because I am synergising the delay with commander movement.
Yes it's not as "easy" as just lazily pulling everything to me, but we've already established the instant easy option isn't palatable because it has to take time and apparently people are supposed to keep flying.
I have litterally provided an example where people still have to keep flying, yet can save appreciable time, and we don't even need fake timers.
And yet here's that hilarious response again of it needing people to fly around still. You don't say? Isn't that an intentional part of the game.
I actually get the impression people do not know what they want, they just don't want "instant".
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Flying to the station is gameplay because you are playing the game. I'll counter your argument by pointing out that a timer delay also does not add gameplay. You don't play the timer and neither does anyone else. I am all for an implementation of transfers that adds gameplay such as player-missions for ship transfers or ships vulnerable to players during transit but that isn't on the table it seems, too much potential for griefing most likely. So between the options of no gameplay with a pointless timer because it's immersive for some and no gameplay with no timer, I wish for no timer. I don't like pointless delays. It adds nothing for me, and I doubt it would be as glorious as you all imagine it once its part of the game. You'll end up waiting in a station watching a timer count down at some point, because what you actually want is the ship you're transferring, you've already read the Galnet articles, you don't feel like doing something other than you intended, etc... So you sit and wait and watch a pointless timer and think "maybe this was a mistake"
It has been thought out, and discussed at length, and we believe that it provides more benefit to the game in its current form - it will certainly be interesting to see how things progress in beta
Michael
You guys are going around and around in circles and you'll never stop.
The devs have spoken. The feature is in. It will be tested and adjusted during beta. It is (assuming from comments) not a limitless / effortless / costless feature.
No matter how many people you argue with or bring around to your point of view or even collude with to come up with some lore / immersion satisfying middle ground, it will not change a thing.
Just stop.
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I can't see how anyone can disagree with you. They will and I'll be interested to see if they actually listen to what you have said.
I get it and agree. I've only been scanning the thread for several days now...but if they want to keep chasing their own tails, that's their deal. You can always ignore this thread....it's not like a Rickroll or anything.
Have you ever tried to look away from a train wreck?
Let's try and pin down your POV/comments?
1) You want delayed transport where it takes a realistic time for a ship you request to come to X.
2) You suggest while a ship is in transit it would be nice to be able to reassign it to system Y instead.
3) You suggest it might be nice to request a ship can go to a different system. ie: Ahead of you to your destination.
I would suggest (3) might open up a "faff loop" - Where you'd be tempted to constantly be sending ships ahead of you in the hope this tactic saves you time. And once you get bored of doing it, and stop, you then hit cases where you'll be frustrated you didn't.
So I'm all over (1). And like (2). But (3) not so much.
EDIT: I see you've covered (3) in #7803... and it seems to promote "faff" don't you think?
Why are you having a go at other people on this thread though? If you think the idea needs parking take your "issue" to FD... Explain your issues here and you'll find some people agree, and some disagree. That's the way it works generally..My point is that there is already one way to have the cake and eat it; namely some sort of remotely realistic time expectation, and yet have that not consume valuable commander time at the other end.
I am sure there are other ways a similar synergy can be leveraged to bake in time. I am simply asking can we possibly do that first, before all rushing off and nodding heads for interruptive timers.
Getting needlessly defensive is needless
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Robert Maynard
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Interesting.... Very interesting. (maybe)
Link to relevant portion of tonight's stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_C2U-PRJI4;t=22m22s
Sandro Sammarco on live stream said:
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I suspect its merely how to limit transfers in a reasonable way so as to make transferring something out to the likes of Jacques maybe a one off or impossible thing while still keeping transfers within the bubble at a reasonable cost to the player so that people are not barred out by some arbitrary number.
Not a redesign of the entire mechanic in an effort to appease a vocal minority.
Not a redesign of the entire mechanic in an effort to appease a vocal minority.
I suspect very very maybe
No breath holding going on here.
In the example I posted how instant can be used to hurt the game
Without instant Xfer: 70 million in 1.5-2 hours or 35 million every 45 mins to an hour
With instant Xfer: 70 million every 45 mins to an hour
In order to balance that it would have to be so expensive that the casuals will cry that they don't play enough to use the feature and then what. Like others have said if FD makes it instant to start adding a timer later will bring a maelstrom of crap down on them of people complaining. They need the timer for ship transfer from the beginning to balance it so money is not the deciding factor to use it. This is a dcision on their part that I rank as one of the worst feature decisions they have made yet (and with things like powerplay that is saying alot)
Good? Might that not get people to, you know, interact more with eachother?
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It's just shocking to me that there would be such a display over something meant to save you time, something that you don't even have to use if you don't want to.
It's absolute madness.
The reaction has nothing to do with whether you use it or not but this QoL feature as it is being called is a complete game changing feature and many believe as I do that it will not be a good change
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I dont even have the words to describe how toxic all this is.
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