So you want to know about the Formidine Rift? (Part 3)

You guys would be far better of finding out what the tinfoil hats are really made of. Until Frontier add the content. There just isnt any.

the content for this has been there since the start of the game. It's not like "the aliens", which aside from one ship are coming in 2.2
 
the content for this has been there since the start of the game. It's not like "the aliens", which aside from one ship are coming in 2.2

No it hasnt. The storyboard has been there yes, but the content isnt. Its dynamic like the rest of the elite universe, it has to be placed in situ and activated, otherwise your going to see it on the galaxy map, just like the issue when jaques was first found, that happened way to fast.
 
No it hasnt. The storyboard has been there yes, but the content isnt. Its dynamic like the rest of the elite universe, it has to be placed in situ and activated, otherwise your going to see it on the galaxy map, just like the issue when jaques was first found, that happened way to fast.

That's great information, except for it being completely wrong.
 
You guys would be far better of finding out what the tinfoil hats are really made of. Until Frontier add the content. There just isnt any.

In general we could all get a life instead of wasting it playing stupid game.

To be specific what's to be found in the Formidine has been confirmed to have been in the game since the beginning and it just takes some one or some group with the drive, determination, wunderlust, aderal and jack daniels to see it. Considering how the UP panned out I expect to get it only post hoc "so thats what all that was about". In the meantime I'll fart around exploring and this time might not even bother returning to bubble for the update.
 
That's great information, except for it being completely wrong.


Ok keep your tin foiling up. the day MB comes in here and states categorically that the content for the formadine rift is active and in situ is the day i go back on what i just wrote previously and apologise. Lets wait shall we.
 
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Ok keep your tin foiling up. the day MB comes in here and states categorically that the content for the formadine rift is active and in situ is the day i go back on what i just wrote previously and apologise. Lets wait shall we.

Meh. You do you.
I'll take the word of the guy who created the whole thing, who's now employed by FDev to bring all their mystery strands into a single thread. After all, why would MB employ someone he knows to have been lying to his entire player base?
 
Meh. You do you.
I'll take the word of the guy who created the whole thing, who's now employed by FDev to bring all their mystery strands into a single thread. After all, why would MB employ someone he knows to have been lying to his entire player base?


As ive said before i dont believe its an active site, when players start solving puzzles and get closer to the truth via an ongoing in game story line then things will start popping up. But for that to happen i still believe some has to have his fingers on a trigger. Everything found so far that hasnt been in the bubble with the exception of jaques, tends to be from some form of tip off from a 3rd party. That says to me the 3rd party has control over what is going on.
 
no, the third-party stuff, like Salome and The Children Of Raxxla, are dynamic story stuff, but they exist to give us CLUES as to stuff that is already there. We've been told it's already there (or else no-one would bother looking for it). More dynamic stuff may trigger when we actually find it, but the thing we have to find is there.

(incidentally, there is a LOT of stuff "already-there" elsewhere in the galaxy too. We just have to be lucky enough to stumble upon it, but if we don't find it first FD may trigger some dynamic clues to that too at some point, like they did with the Hunt/Crashed Ship)
 
Ok keep your tin foiling up. the day MB comes in here and states categorically that the content for the formadine rift is active and in situ is the day i go back on what i just wrote previously and apologise. Lets wait shall we.

Drew said it is there to be found already.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...t-what-is-it?p=3640755&viewfull=1#post3640755

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...t-what-is-it?p=3640969&viewfull=1#post3640969

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...t-what-is-it?p=3641128&viewfull=1#post3641128
 
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He also said in an interview that it is not just one thing you find and thats it. He said there is more to it than that. He said we may have seen some parts of it as well both in the interview and on here somewhere.

I think what he means is that the "Rift" is in the game, the Heart and Soul are in the game, Eafots... stuff like that. "We" found a concentration of Earth likes around there, that could be the old worlds.

I don't think they intend to tell us anything about it, it is just going to come out slowly like the clues of Eafots, heart and soul and the rift... I don't think anything more is in the game right now that is going to stick out as "this is it!". I don't think some unseen USS is hiding somewhere, I don't think some planetary crash site is in the game. I think eventually they will put stuff like that as they build the story and game.
 
I could take a break from what I'm doing to take a look. What systems is this happening in?

The disappearing Heart Nebula could be the biggest lead we have in solving the Formidine Rift.

This has been bug reported as far back as March of 2015: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...bula-Missing?p=1875483&viewfull=1#post1875483

"QA-Mitch", one of Frontier's QA employees sucessfully "reproduced" the this week.

I've been able to reproduce this issue on my end. Its strange that the Heart nebula is not visable from this system and surrounding systems but the Soul nebula is. Also when looking at the heart nebula from systems further away it is visable.
I've passed this on to the developers to check out.

Conclusion? I don't think its a bug. If it were they would have fixed it by now or at least replied to all of the other bug reports submitted since March 2015 by stating that it is a known issue. It has been passed on to the developers but not acknowledged as an actual bug.

I think it is time to start a detailed map of what systems the Nebula is missing from as we head away from the Heart and toward the edge of the galactic arm. See where that path leads us.

We've been given clues that whatever "IT" is can be seen across multiple star systems. A missing nebula fits that description.

We've been told that future hints would make things "less nebulous". There is nothing less nebulous then an entire nebula going missing.

We've been told to consider the "core of the problem" which could easily be rephrased as "the Heart of the matter". Open any good Thesaurus and you'll find "core" and "heart" are synonyms.

If there is a cone of systems leading away from the Heart nebula in which the nebula is invisible perhaps we could follow this "road less nebulous" to plot our way across the Rift while litterally 'watching our six' to make sure that we are following the line of systems where the Heart nebula is not visible.
 
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The disappearing Heart Nebula could be the biggest lead we have in solving the Formidine Rift.

This has been bug reported as far back as March of 2015: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...bula-Missing?p=1875483&viewfull=1#post1875483

"QA-Mitch", one of Frontier's QA employees sucessfully "reproduced" the this week.



Conclusion? I don't think its a bug. If it were they would have fixed it by now or at least replied to all of the other bug reports submitted since March 2015 by stating that it is a known issue. It has been passed on to the developers but not acknowledged as an actual bug.

I think it is time to start a detailed map of what systems the Nebula is missing from as we head away from the Heart and toward the edge of the galactic arm. See where that path leads us.

We've been given clues that whatever "IT" is can be seen across multiple star systems. A missing nebula fits that description.

We've been told that future hints would make things "less nebulous". There is nothing less nebulous then an entire nebula going missing.

We've been told to consider the "core of the problem" which could easily be rephrased as "the Heart of the matter". Open any good Thesaurus and you'll find "core" and "heart" are synonyms.

If there is a cone of systems leading away from the Heart nebula in which the nebula is invisible perhaps we could follow this "road less nebulous" to plot our way across the Rift while litterally 'watching our six' to make sure that we are following the line of systems where the Heart nebula is not visible.

NGC 7822 'disappears' for a few systems if you approach it from the Bubble.
 
NGC 7822 'disappears' for a few systems if you approach it from the Bubble.

Well ... if it is a bug then Frontier needs to do a better job of acknowledging it as one. A disappearing nebula hits far too many of my 'checkmarks' for the kind of thing that would lead us toward a unraveling this mystery.

Not a POI? Check.
Visible from more than one system? Check.
"Less nebulous"? Check.
Fits with "core of the problem"? Check.

I'm going to be spending a lot of my time in-game trying to reproduce this behaviour and mapping systems where this occurs.

If this is a bug ... then that's it. I'm done playing this game.

Just kidding. :) Elite is still churning out too much fun for me to even think about quitting.

I was actually getting excited there about the possibility that this might be what we've been looking for. Knowing that it has occured with other nebula is a bit deflating so I may just have to delay my return to the Rift for a while longer. I am SO close to Exploration Elite right now and my current venture to the Eastern Alpha neutron field, to be followed up by a trip to Jaques, just might be what I need to FINALLY earn my Elite wings.
 
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Well ... if it is a bug then Frontier needs to do a better job of acknowledging it as one. A disappearing nebula hits far too many of my 'checkmarks' for the kind of thing that would lead us toward a unraveling this mystery.

Not a POI? Check.
Visible from more than one system? Check.
"Less nebulous"? Check.
Fits with "core of the problem"? Check.

I'm going to be spending a lot of my time in-game trying to reproduce this behaviour and mapping systems where this occurs.

If this is a bug ... then that's it. I'm done playing this game.

Just kidding. :) Elite is still churning out too much fun for me to even think about quitting.

I was actually getting excited there about the possibility that this might be what we've been looking for. Knowing that it has occured with other nebula is a bit deflating so I may just have to delay my return to the Rift for a while longer. I am SO close to Exploration Elite right now and my current venture to the Eastern Alpha neutron field, to be followed up by a trip to Jaques, just might be what I need to FINALLY earn my Elite wings.

To be fair, having checked the screenshots in the bug report, the effect with NGC 7822 isn't as pronounced.

However, Occam's Razor suggests the the most likely reason for the disappearing Nebula is a bug - otherwise you have to provide a valid 'lore-friendly' reason as to both HOW an entity can cause a nebula to disappear, and WHY they would do such a thing.

Finally, from a software developer's perspective, to induce this effect in game, you've essentially got to put code in the skybox rendering that says "if in this list of systems, then don't draw Heart nebula" and that's far too susceptible to being accidentally 'fixed' by a dev who knows nothing about the Rift.
 
To be fair, having checked the screenshots in the bug report, the effect with NGC 7822 isn't as pronounced.

However, Occam's Razor suggests the the most likely reason for the disappearing Nebula is a bug - otherwise you have to provide a valid 'lore-friendly' reason as to both HOW an entity can cause a nebula to disappear, and WHY they would do such a thing.

Finally, from a software developer's perspective, to induce this effect in game, you've essentially got to put code in the skybox rendering that says "if in this list of systems, then don't draw Heart nebula" and that's far too susceptible to being accidentally 'fixed' by a dev who knows nothing about the Rift.

Both answers could be something hidden in the direction of the heart nebula (as viewed from the effected systems) that's effectively blocking it out (either by absorbing the light from that direction, or effectively blocking it somehow).

However, seeing two different bug reports have the heart nebula disappearing from drastically different directions as far as I can tell, I'm going to go with bug.
 
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Well ... if it is a bug then Frontier needs to do a better job of acknowledging it as one. A disappearing nebula hits far too many of my 'checkmarks' for the kind of thing that would lead us toward a unraveling this mystery.

Not a POI? Check.
Visible from more than one system? Check.
"Less nebulous"? Check.
Fits with "core of the problem"? Check.

I'm going to be spending a lot of my time in-game trying to reproduce this behaviour and mapping systems where this occurs.

If this is a bug ... then that's it. I'm done playing this game.

Just kidding. :) Elite is still churning out too much fun for me to even think about quitting.

I was actually getting excited there about the possibility that this might be what we've been looking for. Knowing that it has occured with other nebula is a bit deflating so I may just have to delay my return to the Rift for a while longer. I am SO close to Exploration Elite right now and my current venture to the Eastern Alpha neutron field, to be followed up by a trip to Jaques, just might be what I need to FINALLY earn my Elite wings.

I'm currently 4% from that exalted status, so as soon as I drop off what I got in my back pocket,,,,

I see the systems where Furiousmeow has his nav panel weirdies were displayed on his videos [duh] and are hypiae aim ku-a c0, phoiaescs cn-y c28-0 and hypiae aim kz-a c0.

Have you noticed from the Formidine side the H&S are totally black and look more like the Lung Cancer Nebula? Life on one side, death on the other.
If you take Jacques and Sol as points on an equilateral triangle the third is in the Far Formidine, the grand triangle being the sign of the Illuminati and most enlightening.

Grasping at straws and smoking them.

Do you think TOW is really dead or just her ship parked at Tionisla?
Need to see the body and even then it might be a clone.
 
To be fair, having checked the screenshots in the bug report, the effect with NGC 7822 isn't as pronounced.

However, Occam's Razor suggests the the most likely reason for the disappearing Nebula is a bug - otherwise you have to provide a valid 'lore-friendly' reason as to both HOW an entity can cause a nebula to disappear, and WHY they would do such a thing.

Finally, from a software developer's perspective, to induce this effect in game, you've essentially got to put code in the skybox rendering that says "if in this list of systems, then don't draw Heart nebula" and that's far too susceptible to being accidentally 'fixed' by a dev who knows nothing about the Rift.

Except the bugs have to be prioritised & the work allocated by the management chain, so if this is part of the Rift mystery then it is simple for the management team to prevent any inadvertent fix. Also my memory is poor but isn't 7822 "near" to the Heart nebula? So any "thing" causing the latter to be masked could also do the same to the former.

I think it is way past time this effect was mapped out, that's the scientific thing to do, and that would allow it to be compared with a map of the systems where FuriousMeow's navigation panel is showing strange behaviour. This could finally be the way to solve the FR mystery.

edit: I am not yet convinced by any means, these may well be bugs, but rather a suspicious bug since there are plenty of other nebulae & these are the only two reported as suffering from it, and FuriousMeow's system hiccups seem to be genuinely repeatable & spatially-related. But the appliance of science should help get evidence to finally solve the mystery or to solve the bugs, so it's a win-win.

storylinewise I suspect it could be a civilisation (or it's INRA-related ruins) with Dyson spheres and related high energy fields (something like the effect seen in the UA distortion field) which is bending light from the nebulae & affecting the navigation sensors.
 
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Except the bugs have to be prioritised & the work allocated by the management chain, so if this is part of the Rift mystery then it is simple for the management team to prevent any inadvertent fix. Also my memory is poor but isn't 7822 "near" to the Heart nebula? So any "thing" causing the latter to be masked could also do the same to the former.

I think it is way past time this effect was mapped out, that's the scientific thing to do, and that would allow it to be compared with a map of the systems where FuriousMeow's navigation panel is showing strange behaviour. This could finally be the way to solve the FR mystery.

You know what? If it is a bug mapping out what systems are effected by the bug might help Frontier figure out what is causing it so it wouldn't necessarily be a wasted effort.
 
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