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SamZero

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I'm a noob
Been playing for 2 months now even got an ASP
Trading and very little CQC
Tonight every mission I do I get interdicted and killed x4
I normally run, no problems,
Last 2 tried to fight - no chance
so far in last 1hr Ive lost 2,5 mill
8- 10 hrs lost maybe more
A few more hrs of playing and I'll be wiped out

Ive read a few posts and youtube vids

Is this Normal?????
Should I plough on???

Any advise please
I was so enjoying this game
Thanks
Rick
 

fossil

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Rsamo said:
I'm a noob
Been playing for 2 months now even got an ASP
Trading and very little CQC
Tonight every mission I do I get interdicted and killed x4
I normally run, no problems,
Last 2 tried to fight - no chance
so far in last 1hr Ive lost 2,5 mill
8- 10 hrs lost maybe more
A few more hrs of playing and I'll be wiped out

Ive read a few posts and youtube vids

Is this Normal?????
Should I plough on???

Any advise please
I was so enjoying this game
Thanks
Rick
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I had an ASP for ages - made millions with it - but they are a useless combat ship. Your best bet it to immediately submit and then run. I used my ASP for rares trading and pretty quickly got it all a-rated - but still ran from most encounters. If you want a good rares route drop me a PM
Cheers
 

EISENHORN01

EISENHORN01
If your enjoying the game then stick with it we've all hit the wall when u think uve got the game Sussed but your still more of a danger to yourself than anyone else, don't stack too many missions and mayb look at dropping or changing your ship nothing wrong with going back to a cobra mkiii properly kitted out than an asp partly kitted out. Carrying more cargo is not always a guarantee for making more money,
id also look at joining in the colonia CG all CG's help the newer players earn some serious credits compared to input (and that's not a put down)
 

aRJay

aRJay
Rsamo said:
I'm a noob
Been playing for 2 months now even got an ASP
Trading and very little CQC
Tonight every mission I do I get interdicted and killed x4
I normally run, no problems,
Last 2 tried to fight - no chance
so far in last 1hr Ive lost 2,5 mill
8- 10 hrs lost maybe more
A few more hrs of playing and I'll be wiped out

Ive read a few posts and youtube vids

Is this Normal?????
Should I plough on???

Any advise please
I was so enjoying this game
Thanks
Rick
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This happens a lot especially if you do missions, fortunately if you avoid missions except when you need something specific from one then things are a lot safer. For trading I would suggest searching this thread for information on rares trading loops, these can provide you with a good return and unlike many missions don't come with guaranteed enemies.
 

Manticore

Manticore
EISENHORN01 said:
If your enjoying the game then stick with it we've all hit the wall when u think uve got the game Sussed but your still more of a danger to yourself than anyone else, don't stack too many missions and mayb look at dropping or changing your ship nothing wrong with going back to a cobra mkiii properly kitted out than an asp partly kitted out. Carrying more cargo is not always a guarantee for making more money,
id also look at joining in the colonia CG all CG's help the newer players earn some serious credits compared to input (and that's not a put down)
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Good advice!
 

Chris Simon

Chris Simon
Rsamo said:
I'm a noob
Been playing for 2 months now even got an ASP
Trading and very little CQC
Tonight every mission I do I get interdicted and killed x4
I normally run, no problems,
Last 2 tried to fight - no chance
so far in last 1hr Ive lost 2,5 mill
8- 10 hrs lost maybe more
A few more hrs of playing and I'll be wiped out

Ive read a few posts and youtube vids

Is this Normal?????
Should I plough on???

Any advise please
I was so enjoying this game
Thanks
Rick
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Hi Rick, like others said, there are times in Elite, when life simply isn't fair. These moments usually divide players into two groups - those who will give up (and I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Maybe you expected something different from the game, maybe you are too old/young to waste your time learning new things, maybe you just wanted a relaxing gameplay and Elite isn't providing that) and the rest will bite the bullet and keep going. The latter will usually end up loving the game, despite everything that is thrown under their feet, spending thousands of hours in this universe.

I started completely over four times. Sometimes because I lost everything, sometimes because I've hit a point where I've done everything I wanted to do and owned every ship I wanted to own and the game somewhat lost its momentum. I love starting over from scratch. It's the most fun and challenging part.

As for you, maybe you hit a point where your ranks (be it trading or combat) somewhat exceeded your acquired skill. That means you have two options. You could simply stop doing missions, because they always somewhat reflect your rank and the enemies are accordingly difficult, and start doing other things. Trading, smuggling, or exploring. Or you could ditch the Asp for a time being, buy a nice little fighter, like a Viper, Diamondback, maybe even Vulture and go wreak some havoc into the Resource Extraction sites. Good money in there, death in a small fighter is much cheaper, and as a bonus you may find out why you were dying in the Asp. :)

Keep on keeping on, is my advice. But in a same breath I will add that being stuck in certain mindset is a worse enemy than a Deadly Anaconda. If you die once, you did something wrong, but it also might have been a bad luck, quite frankly. If you die twice, then you clearly did something wrong. If you die four times in the same situation, it's time to sit back and think what do you need to do different.
We should learn from our mistakes. Only a fool repeats the same mistake indefinitely with an expectation that the result will be different, this time.

Fly safe, commander o7
 

Faded Glory

Faded Glory
Chris Simon said:
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As for you, maybe you hit a point where your ranks (be it trading or combat) somewhat exceeded your acquired skill. That means you have two options. You could simply stop doing missions, because they always somewhat reflect your rank and the enemies are accordingly difficult, and start doing other things. Trading, smuggling, or exploring. Or you could ditch the Asp for a time being, buy a nice little fighter, like a Viper, Diamondback, maybe even Vulture and go wreak some havoc into the Resource Extraction sites. Good money in there, death in a small fighter is much cheaper, and as a bonus you may find out why you were dying in the Asp. :)
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All great advice, except your statement regarding missions... Unless I have got it completely wrong (always possible), mission NPC difficulty is tied to the rank of the mission, not the player. Player rank will affect randomly spawned NPCs.

If this is not the case, then by implication, a Harmless ranked player could take Elite ranked missions and only get Harmless opponents, which would make no sense.

It also isn't borne out by my experience. When I take lower ranked missions, I will get NPC opponents equivalent to the rank of the mission, not my own rank. For example, If I take a Master ranked assassination mission, I will typically get Expert or Master ranked targets even though my rank is Deadly.
 

Chris Simon

Chris Simon
Faded Glory said:
All great advice, except your statement regarding missions... Unless I have got it completely wrong (always possible), mission NPC difficulty is tied to the rank of the mission, not the player. Player rank will affect randomly spawned NPCs.

If this is not the case, then by implication, a Harmless ranked player could take Elite ranked missions and only get Harmless opponents, which would make no sense.

It also isn't borne out by my experience. When I take lower ranked missions, I will get NPC opponents equivalent to the rank of the mission, not my own rank. For example, If I take a Master ranked assassination mission, I will typically get Expert or Master ranked targets even though my rank is Deadly.
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No, you've got it right. You can take missions both way above and way below your rank. But the game tends to offer you mission "around" your rank, actually. So on lower ranks it's hard to find high-ranked good-paying missions and vice versa.
I think that's what might have happened with OP. Somehow he reached the point where most of the missions being offered are above his and is ship's abilities.
If he's doing a lot of missions, he may have quite high trading rank, which means that he'll get opponents at least a rank or two above his combat rank.
 
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Faded Glory

Faded Glory
Chris Simon said:
No, you've got it right. You can take missions both way above and way below your rank. But the game tends to offer you mission "around" your rank, actually. So on lower ranks it's hard to find high-ranked good-paying missions and vice versa.
I think that's what might have happened with OP. Somehow he reached the point where most of the missions being offered are above his and is ship's abilities.
If he's doing a lot of missions, he may have quite high trading rank, which means that he'll get opponents at least a rank or two above his combat rank.
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Yes, I guess that's possible. :)

Also possible that they are not correlating trade rank with the combat rank of the NPC that might be sent against them.
 

KellyR

KellyR
When interdicted, I always submit. I like combat. However there is no shame in presenting your tail and running like a frightened mouse if you feel the ship that interdicted you is too much for you to handle. And since submitting shortens FSD cooldown considerably, you can boost and jump to supercruise almost immediately. If you're mass disrupted by a large factor, target the nearest star and engage the hyper drive. It will always take you exactly 15 seconds to spool the hyper drive and jump. The only thing the hyper drive cares about is planetary mass locks.
 
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mistohise

mistohise
I assume you are playing in solo, rather than open? The Asp will get its shiny metal     handed to it on a plate by any PvP player in open, and by some of the higher-ranked NPCs in solo, depending on what you try to do. Being destroyed so often suggests that you're probably attempting to take on enemies of a higher level than you can, in that particular ship.

The Asp's advantage is its speed. I would try to win the mini-game for starters, you will probably find that you can evade a lot of interdictions. If not, or if you don't want to, then running away is the best option. Note that, if you submit and it's a mission-based interdiction the NPC will likely try to get you again if you just low wake out. You avoid that by either destroying them (probably unlikely), high-wake, or wining the mini-game.
 

CMDR Mr. Boombastic

CMDR Mr. Boombastic
What kind of loadout do you have on your Asp (assuming Explorer not Scout)? If you have 5A Thrusters and and 4A Power Distributor you should be able to outrun most NPCs.
However if you are just using a stock-built ship you could have problems.
Also for the AspX you need at least a size 5 shield generator.

I have an A-rated AspX (non-engineered as play on a MacBook) and never have any problems escaping, but if I do decide to engage 'The Interdictor' in combat that occasionally does not always end up going to well.
If you need some advice on loadout you can save yours at https://coriolis.io and copy & paste the http link from the address bar here.
 

SamZero

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Hi all and thanks

All the above are correct... aspX not sure on loadout but will now write it down I guess 3/4 upgraded
Guess its belly up for me from now on - watched a great vid on it
I will get mines.
I will get second ship- learn to fight
Only trading missions so far- cos carnt fight way out of paper bag lol
Yes just ranked up to petty officer
all to get more money in missions to get better ship - If a mouse was riding a tiger It would be left alone right? Oh no it dont

So thanks All sound advice
Ill grind on
Rick
 

Faded Glory

Faded Glory
Rsamo said:
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I will get second ship- learn to fight
Only trading missions so far- cos carnt fight way out of paper bag lol
Yes just ranked up to petty officer
all to get more money in missions to get better ship - If a mouse was riding a tiger It would be left alone right? Oh no it dont

So thanks All sound advice
Ill grind on
Rick
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The combat skills will come. Learn to see what is attacking and run if you don't think you are a match for the rank / ship.

Just be aware that trading missions can and will involve hostile interdictions, so pay attention to the rank of the mission. High ranking missions will spawn high ranking NPCs, so figure out which trade ranks correspond to which combat rank! For example, a Tycoon ranked mission will likely spawn a Dangerous or Deadly NPC.

Petty officer is a federation rank. Does't affect anything. The rank you need to watch is your combat rank (Harmless - Elite), as the higher you get, the higher ranking random NPC opponents will be. Mission opponents rank is determined by the mission rank. And obviously, higher ranking missions tend to have higher rewards, but doing a load of lower paying, lower ranking missions without being interdicted and destroyed might prove more efficient in the long run. :)
 
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