All good - you actually gave me hope that such a thing existed - I wanted to see it!!!
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So you want to know about the Formidine Rift? (Part 3)
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All good - you actually gave me hope that such a thing existed - I wanted to see it!!!
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This is where I think one should simply click "economic route" once in the theoretical zone.
Also why cargo racks are handy, move that slider and drop that jump range...
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The jury is out on whether the Old Woman crossed the Rift in her Cobra.
I've seen nothing that confirms that Salome went anywhere near the Rift in a Clipper - but I could have missed it. Anyone have a source?
She's been spotted in game in a Clipper in the bubble, and an Asp Explorer further afield. She took the Asp on the Distant Worlds expedition to Beagle Point, so if I had to guess, she will have probably used the Asp out in the Rift when she was seen out there on the galactic map few months ago.
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Well, it's more a case of anyone who is worried about too much jump range, there are ways to drop it..
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I was responding to both you and the poster you quoted, but you did all the snipping so I piggybacked that
Yea, I have no special feelings for Kahina too.... If the good story demands protagonist's death, so be it (if anyone's read Steven Erikson's books, you know what I mean).
Plus it has been ages since we had a proper execution with all the splendor and showmanship only nobles can bring. And think about all the business opportunities - CGs on bullets for firing squads, Kahina's related memorabilia's, bounty hunts for crazed cultists trying to save her
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Regarding Salomé's name: Imho it should not be a clue for the Rift's mystery as the Dude that gave her the name had no connection to The old Lady nor the Rift. Also when did Kahina met the Old Lady? Wasn't it after she got her new name? (I honestly can't seem to remember).
I think Drew's said the Rift is Salomé (or Kahina's) story, but if it is, it's her story now. In the book it was the Old Lady's story, Salomé had her own there.
The problem, of course is, I could apply similar approach to other clues as well. Ie. 'Seven veils' - did she named the ship as a reference to the Rift's mystery or 'cause she has found it humorous regarding her new name? Same with the Old Lady's Cobra ......
So in retrospect, my logic is a path to ruin and nobody in his right mind should follow it
Hassan gave her the name Salome because she reminded him of his sister's scrappy cat Salome. His sister named the cat Salome because the author wanted to crowbar it in because authors get to do stuff like create mythic layers tying disparate elements together in chains of plots and circumstances that beggar belief in probabilities beyond possibility to create enjoyable fictions. ens's "Oliver Twist" is a favorite example of series of amazing improbable circumstances stretched far beyond probable possibility and is still somehow enjoyed.
So it's not your fault, everyone's logic is fine because in the end no matter how it all turns out everything is Drew's Fault!
Yea, I have no special feelings for Kahina too.... If the good story demands protagonist's death, so be it (if anyone's read Steven Erikson's books, you know what I mean).
Plus it has been ages since we had a proper execution with all the splendor and showmanship only nobles can bring. And think about all the business opportunities - CGs on bullets for firing squads, Kahina's related memorabilia's, bounty hunts for crazed cultists trying to save her
I guess the most salient news is we got 2 weeks from today to do stuff about it one way or the other.
No love for Salome any where? There must be shade in the Empire for Petreus, most in court would see him as a transparent snake but why get bit if you don't have too. His traditional path to power is clear, bang both Arissa and Aisling, create heirs, kill the mothers and become regent of both covering all his angles.
You'd think there'd be a countering mocking whisper campaign at least?
Patreus: I would have got away with it too, if it wasn't for those damn meddling (Raxxla) kids.
I feel i need to explore that region of space. In my trusty Python.
Unfortunately, there's so much to read, I'll likely get there, and get bored before actually figuring out what I'm supposed to do
I need like, a documentary to watch while on route....
Fascinating stuff though.
Unfortunately, there's so much to read, I'll likely get there, and get bored before actually figuring out what I'm supposed to do
I need like, a documentary to watch while on route....
Fascinating stuff though.
The "Old Woman" at least saw what was there. From her story when she started wandering (wanderlust) around after she lost whoever, she got to an area where stars thin out, and then whatever - she saw something? Something happened? Dunno - so she at least got there.
Almost positive Salome/Kahina has not seen anything, I don't think she went to the Rift as I haven't seen anything about that.
From what I can see, take the R-R line out and start wandering through trying to follow that line until the stars get thin - start jumping around looking for stars that can connect by about 25LY. Unfortunately I haven't found an easy way to do that since you can't calculate distance between stars except for the star you are at and the other star which makes navigation more of a pain in the butt out here since you have to jump there to find out you can't jump any further.
I got a little off course, I'm a near a thicker area of stars now and I have to head back. With a few diversions further I could "cross" to the other side but I don't think this is the Rift anymore. So I wasted about 2 evenings with that.
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Well I have no special love for Petraeus either, I sense too much moustache-twirling one dimensional villainy going on his part (side note: Can't Drew step in and give him some other agenda apart from 'I want moar power'? Since he's stated he doesn't like one dimensional villains). I'd mostly wish Emperor got her butt from the golden throne (*snicker*) of hers and start to step on some toes to get these scheming kids back in line.
Yeah this is what im thinking.
I reckon its route specific place to find and its the only place you can cross at that area with 25-30 ly jump range.
You prob wont get all the way across, just most of the way them hit an interesting system and hopefully find something.
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The problem.with just following the R-R line is that it doesnt include the later clues. I think you need to change off the R-R line and into Eafots as thats where the clue points.
The R-R line only passes Eafots but not through it.
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I think Drew already has created more.
Patreus knows all.about the Rift mystery and is with the powers that be that are covering it up.
Patreus is about more than just power, he is a sneaky weasel who is up to something and Salome knows it.
Salome is no innocent either, she was responsible for millions of deaths in the prism worlds.
She used the trust of CoR without telling them anything because she wanted leverage for her return to power.
The CGs drive the story and I think we all saw money and helped Patreus win this showdown against Salome.leading to her capture.
They are both typical Imps, power hungry megolomaniacs who believe in an old fashioned sense of entitlement.
They are entitled as they take things and force their will. In the future it seems money always wins the day.
Ive been guilty myself, I own every A rated ship and have more money than i know what to do with.
I have freedom now though to do what I like. I think id like a bit of truth.
She used the trust of CoR without telling them anything because she wanted leverage for her return to power.
The CGs drive the story and I think we all saw money and helped Patreus win this showdown against Salome.leading to her capture.
They are both typical Imps, power hungry megolomaniacs who believe in an old fashioned sense of entitlement.
They are entitled as they take things and force their will. In the future it seems money always wins the day.
Ive been guilty myself, I own every A rated ship and have more money than i know what to do with.
I have freedom now though to do what I like. I think id like a bit of truth.
The R-R line passes through a little bit of one edge of the EAFOTS sector. EAFOTS KB-B C27-11 is a system I have bookmarked that is right on the R-R line. There is a calculator here: https://www.geogebra.org/m/KUhN3UtG (you have to read yor coordinates off the galaxy map).
I've checked every system within about 50 ly of the line that is within EAFOTS sector, and there's nothing there. There's also nothing special to see in the skybox/background either.
Beyond the EAFOTS sector the R-R line hits the Poseidon Wall. The "wall" is where the stars thin out. It starts right near the border of the HYPIAE and PHOI AESCS sectors on the R-R line. Before 2.1 Engineers there was a pretty big gap that you just couldn't cross without using 100% jump boost injections the whole way, so that's where CMDR Heisenberg charted a roundabout way to the outer arm that's now called the Heisenberg Bridge.
These days with a 50+ ly ship like an engineered Anaconda there is only about 600 ly of the R-R that is still not directly crossable, even with boosts. I have the gap bookmarked as being between PHOI AESCS V0-Z-D13-0 (on the edge of the Poseidon Wall) and PHOI AESCS DR-L C21-0. That's the real Formidine Rift that you still have to do a slight detour around. I've boosted into parts of it, and most of the G-class star systems have already been scanned by others. Nothing there.
The clues so far strongly suggest that whatever the mystery is, it lies *beyond* the rift. Since Drew has confirmed it isn't a USS or POI or a single system, and that it's been in-game since 1.0 gamma, then that means it can only be a pattern of stars and nebula visible in the skybox. To really see the skybox you have to fly about 2000ls out from the main star of the system, so that the skybox objects are fully brightened up (they are dimmed near the central star to simulate glare).
So, we're looking for a pattern that is visible in the background stars and nebula. What else could it be?
One problem is that the nebula don't always display - a known bug. So, that might make the mystery unsolvable just in itself, which would really suck. (And shame on Drew and FD is this is the case).
Another question is whether the pattern is visible *only* in the skybox, or whether it is visible in the galaxy map. If it's in the map, then no actual exploration is required. That would also be lousy - in which case, shame on Drew and FD again.
I'm back in the bubble now. I got frustrated with not enough good clues and the indications that the "mystery" can't actually be anything very interesting. I hope I'm wrong, but if you can't actually discover anything except that a few stars or nebula line up a certain way when you look at them from the outer arm, well, that's a rubbish "solution" to a 2-year-old "mystery" in my opinion.
I've checked every system within about 50 ly of the line that is within EAFOTS sector, and there's nothing there. There's also nothing special to see in the skybox/background either.
Beyond the EAFOTS sector the R-R line hits the Poseidon Wall. The "wall" is where the stars thin out. It starts right near the border of the HYPIAE and PHOI AESCS sectors on the R-R line. Before 2.1 Engineers there was a pretty big gap that you just couldn't cross without using 100% jump boost injections the whole way, so that's where CMDR Heisenberg charted a roundabout way to the outer arm that's now called the Heisenberg Bridge.
These days with a 50+ ly ship like an engineered Anaconda there is only about 600 ly of the R-R that is still not directly crossable, even with boosts. I have the gap bookmarked as being between PHOI AESCS V0-Z-D13-0 (on the edge of the Poseidon Wall) and PHOI AESCS DR-L C21-0. That's the real Formidine Rift that you still have to do a slight detour around. I've boosted into parts of it, and most of the G-class star systems have already been scanned by others. Nothing there.
The clues so far strongly suggest that whatever the mystery is, it lies *beyond* the rift. Since Drew has confirmed it isn't a USS or POI or a single system, and that it's been in-game since 1.0 gamma, then that means it can only be a pattern of stars and nebula visible in the skybox. To really see the skybox you have to fly about 2000ls out from the main star of the system, so that the skybox objects are fully brightened up (they are dimmed near the central star to simulate glare).
So, we're looking for a pattern that is visible in the background stars and nebula. What else could it be?
One problem is that the nebula don't always display - a known bug. So, that might make the mystery unsolvable just in itself, which would really suck. (And shame on Drew and FD is this is the case).
Another question is whether the pattern is visible *only* in the skybox, or whether it is visible in the galaxy map. If it's in the map, then no actual exploration is required. That would also be lousy - in which case, shame on Drew and FD again.
I'm back in the bubble now. I got frustrated with not enough good clues and the indications that the "mystery" can't actually be anything very interesting. I hope I'm wrong, but if you can't actually discover anything except that a few stars or nebula line up a certain way when you look at them from the outer arm, well, that's a rubbish "solution" to a 2-year-old "mystery" in my opinion.
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EAFOTS may not be a clue, especially since it isn't in the Rift and is just around the H&S Nebula. It most likely isn't, it seems it was more of a community call to say "there's something towards EAFOTS" which would be the Rift to get more of the community involved. Also, it could be solved before EAFOTS. So that pretty much puts it out.
Just because it is more recent doesn't mean it is a clue for those already in pursuit.
Just because it is more recent doesn't mean it is a clue for those already in pursuit.
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I have to admit, something in the skybox would seem to be the most likely solution here. But I can't see how that would be anything but underwhelming.
If it isn't a POI of some sort, then it can't be anything like a generation ship or strange planet, since those would be POIs, right? There's only so much that, logically, it could be unless FD have spent precious development hours on truly original handcrafted content specifically for this mystery. And I'm not sure I believe that to be the case.
I will say that following this whole mystery has been fascinating, but I'm unsure if I truly believe the "solution" will be anything but an, "oh...neat" type thing.
My .02
If it isn't a POI of some sort, then it can't be anything like a generation ship or strange planet, since those would be POIs, right? There's only so much that, logically, it could be unless FD have spent precious development hours on truly original handcrafted content specifically for this mystery. And I'm not sure I believe that to be the case.
I will say that following this whole mystery has been fascinating, but I'm unsure if I truly believe the "solution" will be anything but an, "oh...neat" type thing.
My .02
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I believe its a clue and the next heading it also leads to a rift, an uncrossable one.
Drew said the rift on the map is almost correct. I think.Eafots clue was designed to direct us to where the rift is.
If you try and go across even with an engineered ship its impossible to cross.
The Heisenberg is just the closest crossing towards that area in between the two arms, there are tons of crossings around that area though.
Its when you head through Eafots that the rift becomes extremely apparant. There is a very distinct gap of emptiness that is closer to the edge of the rift on the map we have.
There are plenty of stars on either side and can you can try and cross from either side but you wont.
Its definitely a more apparant rift through the Eafots sector and into Myoidee and beyond.
If its more recent and its put in by Fdev then its put in for a reason. Drew wrote the book before the game was finished, it stands to reason the R-R line is not an ideal clue but a pointer.
Heart and Soul and Eafots are further pointers due to the nature of game development and writing a story prior to the games release.
Its certainly around the R-R line but I very much doubt its on it.
Eafots is the best pointer we have for now and Im pretty certain its not in Eafots either.
The problem is the longer we don't find it the more likely Patreus will come out on top. He definitely knows and is up to something. It was probably a member of the Patreus family who ordered the memory wipe of the old lady.
The old lady could even be a relation to Patreus or one of the Imp familys, why else keep her alive !!