So you want to know about the Formidine Rift? (Part 3)

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Just want to point out, that the Interstellar Extinction idea, you were referencing from Finn isn't as dramatic as you think it is. Interstellar Extinction is just is just the absorption and scattering of radiation by dust and gas between the star and the observer. Not saying that you won't find dead things there or anything. Just want to clarify that Interstellar Extinction isn't a exciting term as it sounds.

You mean it's not full of dinosaurs and dodos?

*turns back to Bubble*

 

[Spenceuk99]

I can't recall anything substantive coming from Salome's visit to Cambridge.

So, looking at the page for the institute of Astronomy http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk/about It is most well known for "A wide class of theoretical problems are studied, ranging from models of quasars and of the evolution of the universe, through theories of the formation and evolution of galaxies and stars, X-ray sources and black holes."


So, any of this fit the current theories?


There is also this exhibition [h=1]Famous astronomy books in exhibition to celebrate 600 years of Cambridge University Library[/h]Published on 15/03/2016 
Some of the most famous books in the history of astronomy are currently on display in the exhibition centre of the University Library. These include a copy of the 'De Revolutionibus' of Copernicus (1543) and the copy of 'Principia' (1687) that belonged to Isaac Newton himself! There are several other old astronomical volumes on display, and also some more modern items illustrating the work of Arthur Eddington on gravity, and the discovery of Pulsars in Cambridge.
Not only Astronomy is represented, but many of the great cultural and scientific treasures held by the Library are on display so celebrate 600 years of its existance. Well worth a visit, the exhibition is free, and open until the end of September 2016.
If you can't make to the exhibition in person (or just want to enjoy some fascinating images on your screen) there is an online virtual version you can see if you CLICK HERE
The exhibition is on at the Milstein Exhibition Centre until 30/09/2016




Now, it will be closed in 1300 years. But, perhaps there is some confluence between this and one of these historic volumes too?

 

[Legacy_LuckyLuke]

I wrote the post below without reading the last few pages of the thread first ... serves me right for being in snooze mode ... as you were

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'The vain queen rides a giraffe that remembers her daughter's hero'
https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/57ee35199657bad4635a5e6b

Vain queen = Cassiopeia

Daughter = Andromeda

Hero = Perseus

This isn't the first time we've been directed towards those three characters. (Plenty of connections already documented in the OPs)

Giraffe = Giraffe (Camelopardalis) constellation near Cassiopeia constellation:
https://steemit.com/science/@senseye/myths-in-the-sky-cassiopeia-and-giraffe

I assume the combination of these constellations are pointing towards an area of the sky, looking from Sol.

 

[The Lonely Astronaut]

Cassiopeia and Perseus are tied together because Cepheus and Cassiopeia had to tie up Andromeda to sacrifice to Cetus after Poseidon sent Cetus to devastate the Aethiopian Coast, which we know that Perseus handled all that by slaying Cetus. What's ironic is that beyond Eafots is the Poseidal Wall, which I think Erimus named after a player who "Hit a Wall" coming to it more or less. I just find that a little interesting, that there's a player influenced Poseidon reference, even though it is probably coincidence.

 

[SliderBlackrose]

You lot do realise that this "mystery" will be triggered and played out via galnet, right? There's nothing special out there to find before it's time to find it, no matter what anyone says. A bit contreversial to say that but I honestly think that the "thing" being searched for is utterly mundane, like an out of place planet or strange star configuration that only one of the characters from Drew's stories would recognise. FD and Elite are maaaasters at drawing things out, and blowing hot air up people's bottoms lore wise. For all the searching that has been done, for all the clever theories, all we have to show for it is a player commander with a special name and a galnet article.

Except they found the crashed ship well before the information came along of where to find it. They found the ship then the message hidden in the UP.

Not everything is triggered. I suspect there are mysteries out there to stumble upon before the "script" points them out. Maybe they're there waiting before the trigger and the trigger happens because time enough has passed without anyone FINDING the clues?

 

[SliderBlackrose]

I wrote the post below without reading the last few pages of the thread first ... serves me right for being in snooze mode ... as you were

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'The vain queen rides a giraffe that remembers her daughter's hero'
https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/57ee35199657bad4635a5e6b

Vain queen = Cassiopeia

Daughter = Andromeda

Hero = Perseus

This isn't the first time we've been directed towards those three characters. (Plenty of connections already documented in the OPs)

Giraffe = Giraffe constellation near Cassiopeia constellation:
https://steemit.com/science/@senseye/myths-in-the-sky-cassiopeia-and-giraffe

I assume the combination of these two constellations are pointing towards an area of the sky, looking from Sol.

The last line struck me ("...pointing towards an area of the sky..."). The vain queen riding the giraffe (Looking towards the giraffe neb. where Cass is "above" it. (riding it) that remembers her daughter's hero (LONG shot, but the giraffe head placed facing Perseus with Andromeda behind him?).

So: From a location near sol where Cassiopeia is above the G neb. whereby the G. neb is facing Perseus whereby Andromeda is behind Perseus? I may not be explaining well, but I can envision it in my mind's eye.

That doesn't, however, explain the SEAFOT repeater, unless I missed an explanation in the monsterous thread. ;-)

 

[Legacy_LuckyLuke]

Cassiopeia and Perseus are tied together because Cepheus and Cassiopeia had to tie up Andromeda to sacrifice to Cetus after Poseidon sent Cetus to devastate the Aethiopian Coast, which we know that Perseus handled all that by slaying Cetus. What's ironic is that beyond Eafots is the Poseidal Wall, which I think Erimus named after a player who "Hit a Wall" coming to it more or less. I just find that a little interesting, that there's a player influenced Poseidon reference, even though it is probably coincidence.

I was just about to add that the 'Perseus' element doesn't appear to have been considered yet. I think Erimus also named that area the 'Poseidal' wall due to the existing Cassiopeia connections in all this. Hunting around systems in Cassiopeia has been a favourite pastime since the beginning of this mystery. Though I agree, I don't think there is any particular significance with the 'Poseidal wall' area, unless Drew has retconned it somehow

Back to Perseus - his, and Andromeda's, constellations are just below Cassiopeia also.


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So, looking at the page for the institute of Astronomy http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk/about It is most well known for "A wide class of theoretical problems are studied, ranging from models of quasars and of the evolution of the universe, through theories of the formation and evolution of galaxies and stars, X-ray sources and black holes."

So, any of this fit the current theories?

Early on we thought Kahina may have visited Cambridge to view the archives on black holes and supernovae - particularly with reference to Cassiopeia A or Tycho's Star - both of which should be somewhere out in the 'rift' area ... but the searches proved fruitless at the time.

 

[The Lonely Astronaut]

I took a few photo's from high above the plane in Eafots. Think the Hyhpreerb sector that I'm looking at was Tycho's Reference from what you guys came up with a while back. Just remembered I thought those two objects not in the game was interesting as well

Edit:bah the uploader didn't work with photo

 

[Jaiotu]

I think Erimus also named that area the 'Poseidal' wall due to the existing Cassiopeia connections in all this.

Actually, I think it was named the Poseidal wall because of the CMDR who reached that point and couldn't go any further. Here's a link to the comment (from the 1st Rift thread) where Erimus named it:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...t-what-is-it?p=2191199&viewfull=1#post2191199

 

[turkwinif]

Early on we thought Kahina may have visited Cambridge to view the archives on black holes and supernovae - particularly with reference to Cassiopeia A or Tycho's Star - both of which should be somewhere out in the 'rift' area ... but the searches proved fruitless at the time.

I took a few photo's from high above the plane in Eafots. Think the Hyhpreerb sector that I'm looking at was Tycho's Reference from what you guys came up with a while back. Just remembered I thought those two objects not in the game was interesting as well

It is very interesting that no one's found either of those, especially Cas A, considering that it's the strongest radio wave source in the galaxy. You'd think something like that would warrant it being in the game.

 

[Jaiotu]

It is very interesting that no one's found either of those, especially Cas A, considering that it's the strongest radio wave source in the galaxy. You'd think something like that would warrant it being in the game.

Cassiopeia A was first observable from Earth sometime around the year 1667 ... although it took 11,000 years for that light to reach us.

I've often wondered about something in Elite: Dangerous. If a star in Elite were to go supernova ... would that event suddenly be visible throughout the galaxy? Or would the game simulate the speed of light so that the event would only be visible at a close distance?

Let me explain. If you draw a line from Cassiopeia A to Earth and then followed that line AWAY from Earth you should be able to reach a point about 1,635 light-years along that line where you can turn back and actually watch Cassiopeia A go supernova. I've never seen anyone comment on it but if we did have technology like Frame Shift Drives they would do more then just let us travel great distances. They would let us position ourselves in areas of the galaxy where we could, effectively, peer back in time (all astronomy is actually looking back into time, even the light we see from our sun is something like 8 minutes in the past).

So while I doubt that the game is quite so sophisticated that we can actually find a spot where we can watch Cassiopeia A go nova ... it might be that we are looking for some stellar event in the sky that is only visible within a certain range because the light from that event simply hasn't reached the rest of the galaxy yet. Just a thought.

 

[Spenceuk99]

​Ah, right.

 

[Darth Ender]

pretty sure FD has firmly been in the not caring about speed of light for anything camp. Sensors, news, scanning, navigation. All instant. Since anything to do with the galaxy map is manual to adjust and info instantly available once the change is made to anyone anywhere in the galaxy....it seems unlikely they would change that.

 

[evaldo10]

it should be on the first page-EBP is ROT13 code for ROC; Right On Commander came up frequently in the original Elite game. Edit: this was a little puzzle that Drew set last year to test the playerbase skills in decoding & has since been almost part of his 'signature'

Yes sorry EBP, i know how Drew thinks, he comes from tbe same books of reading as myself and he also includes ancient history with modern science which is exactly what I write about.

The pyramids etc

Its about connecting ancient stories with the belief that they are more than stories but tied directly into our past and our future.

Remember that magic of the past is just science of the future.

If your setting a puzzle you create parameters the test is often a way of understanding the truth.

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Managed to identify all but three of the

They definitely make an arrow and it looks like it's pointed at Polaris, which was a Thargoid system in First Encounters. It's permit locked now though, so it's hard to believe that's the answer.

http://codedtransmission.com/lookingback2.jpg

Whats opposite of the arrow. Also how does it look in 3d terms.

 

[evaldo10]

http://imgur.com/r4QcL88

Here's some shots from Stellarium of the area between the three constellations taken our date when Kahina visted Earth last year, her real date 3302 and our now for the sake of it.
There's the theory she went to Earth to get a bead on something. As you can see the Heart&Soul appear in the triangle between the queen, the giraffe and her daughter's hero. Sadly the stellarium screenshots aren't good enough for detail work.
If I was out that way right now I'd be looking at B stars and specifically B5's [the stellar extinction idea] in that bit of triangle of EAFOTS that intersects with Heart and Soul and patrol lines. Dead stars, dead worlds, strings of b5's or dead and suspicious elw and alw things around there. And how the mythy stuff fits,,,,
Another way to approach it is guessing what processes Drew might have gone through to place this mystery before the game came out and then when the ED galaxy was actually made and specific stuff could be crafted.
O well back to the drawing board,,,,,gonna try one note and maybe make an actual mandala of all this stuff,,,

Well that points towards Myoidee its on the border of Eafots and there is lots of Ammonia carbon life planets. Lots of terrafornable planets etc.

Its the most interesting place in that area.

 

[evaldo10]

If you have a spaceship and you want to look at stars, absolutely the worst thing you can do is go land on a planet, since you're having to deal with an atmosphere, weather systems and light population.

Also, if you have access to a spaceship and you want to look at the sky on a particular date, you can just fly to where the planet will be on that date, rather than have to wait.

Additionally, if you're looking at things thousands of lightyears away, the parallax effect that you can see based on the Earth's orbit (a baseline distance of 16 light minutes) is going to be utterly trivial.

In short, I'd suggest that whatever Salome has up to when she landed on Sol, it certainly wasn't looking at the heavens.

This is not entirely correct. You see if your looking back at constellations from the other side then it can look different to how you see it from earth.

The orbits are way more variable and say from eafots would be less negilgable because of distance.

The stars would be more feint but more definable over any existing orbits.

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I wrote the post below without reading the last few pages of the thread first ... serves me right for being in snooze mode ... as you were

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'The vain queen rides a giraffe that remembers her daughter's hero'
https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/57ee35199657bad4635a5e6b

Vain queen = Cassiopeia

Daughter = Andromeda

Hero = Perseus

This isn't the first time we've been directed towards those three characters. (Plenty of connections already documented in the OPs)

Giraffe = Giraffe (Camelopardalis) constellation near Cassiopeia constellation:
https://steemit.com/science/@senseye/myths-in-the-sky-cassiopeia-and-giraffe

I assume the combination of these constellations are pointing towards an area of the sky, looking from Sol.

Or if the Giraffe remembers the hero then the giraffe is looking back.

The Camelopardalis constelation has stars further out than perseus. If you look back from heart and soul then its quite similar to looking from sol but a different perspective.

 

[evaldo10]

I took a few photo's from high above the plane in Eafots. Think the Hyhpreerb sector that I'm looking at was Tycho's Reference from what you guys came up with a while back. Just remembered I thought those two objects not in the game was interesting as well

Edit:bah the uploader didn't work with photo

Thats a good place to look. Try and map out the brightest stars from Cassiopeia Camelopardalis and Perseus. Not the brightest from earth but the brightest from Eafots.

Ill try and get this info in real life a d see hiw it correlates i game. Its handy having a good friend in charve of the ASKAP in OZ.

She knows this stuff off by heart and if she doesn't she will find out pretty quick.

 

[evaldo10]

Cassiopeia A was first observable from Earth sometime around the year 1667 ... although it took 11,000 years for that light to reach us.

I've often wondered about something in Elite: Dangerous. If a star in Elite were to go supernova ... would that event suddenly be visible throughout the galaxy? Or would the game simulate the speed of light so that the event would only be visible at a close distance?

Let me explain. If you draw a line from Cassiopeia A to Earth and then followed that line AWAY from Earth you should be able to reach a point about 1,635 light-years along that line where you can turn back and actually watch Cassiopeia A go supernova. I've never seen anyone comment on it but if we did have technology like Frame Shift Drives they would do more then just let us travel great distances. They would let us position ourselves in areas of the galaxy where we could, effectively, peer back in time (all astronomy is actually looking back into time, even the light we see from our sun is something like 8 minutes in the past).

So while I doubt that the game is quite so sophisticated that we can actually find a spot where we can watch Cassiopeia A go nova ... it might be that we are looking for some stellar event in the sky that is only visible within a certain range because the light from that event simply hasn't reached the rest of the galaxy yet. Just a thought.

Supernovas take a long time to happen, from Earth if we spot a supernova its been going on for thousands of years.

There are many Supernovas happening in game right now, you have probably scooped from a star in Supanova.

Humans cant contemplate a Supanova until its reached close to its peak. They are happening all around us, no human will ever see a full supanova happen.

 

[The Lonely Astronaut]

The picture I was looking for was actually something else but I had one photo I took that I saved that showed a Piece of Eafots and a general area I circled where I think Tycho's Star was suppost to be at, think it was one of the next sectors over

Tycho's star I think was suppost to be somewhere around there, I'd have to go out to Eafots again if I were to get better pictures

http://imgur.com/T2eXfbP

It should be like about 24ly's in Diameter so it would be hard thing to miss out there. Think something similar in size to the Bubble Nebula

 

[Ian Doncaster]

Question: what happens if you follow the direction the arrow is pointing from H&S (it's not an arrow visible from many other places, after all) - that would take you up off the plane and somewhat clockwise around the galaxy. In general terms, up towards the top of Hypoae Aim / top of Glufee. If you follow the arrow till the stars thin out, what's up there?

(As a tin-foil aside, I was reading about this in a completely unconnected setting - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Sinaitic_script - and came across the mention of the Wadi el-Hol ... the Valley/Ravine of Terror ... the Formidine Rift. The connections to decoding of language were interesting, anyway)