The reality of the situation... 2.2

[Anuset]

I was amazingly excited for 2.2. I was severely let down. I've also been equally, if not more angry at the community post 2.2.

Both Frontier AND the community, should be ashamed.

Sothis/Ceos, and what used to be Robigo, were indeed paying too much. I also realize there is an unlisted 'bug' regarding payment in missions.

The problem is that somehow Frontier doesn't want to actually reward game play. I figured out awhile ago that the ships weren't the goal in the game. They are A goal, but they're not THE goal. In the end it is about having fun. The problem is that there were a few, or a lot, of us that enjoyed the long distance (not just Sothis) runs. I also enjoyed the Robigo runs. Now its quite difficult to find missions that are worth the time. Frontier, you need to stop removing game play options from the game. It's not like we have a ton to start with. Also just because you enjoy doing X thing in game, doesn't mean it shouldn't be rewarding.

Onto the community... stop worrying what someone else is doing. You people are just as quick to say "hey... these ship transfer prices are fine, if you don't like it don't do it." Then in another thread post about "unfair" it is that people are making more credits from doing one thing than another. Stop being so hypocritical. Also stop rubbing things in people faces. Though I am going to enjoy rubbing this in, in general it should stop. This whole "well I guess you should just learn to do something else." attitude isn't helping the situation either. Its not just a game, its a sandbox game. You've got just as much right to run your Anaconda between stations trading commodities as someone who's bounty hunting as someone who's smuggling. If anything... bounty hunting and smuggling should pay better. Its more involved work than buy - undock - dock - sell, rinse and repeat until your eyes bleed. The sad part is that the latter STILL pays better.

Also WHO CARES what ships someone is flying. I could care less if the entirety of the people in game ran around in Cutters. Fact is... the big ships have just as many pitfalls as the small ships. No one type of ship is better.

So STOP with all this "oh get over it" and "go find something else." I for one am tired of chasing things that I like and happen to be rewarded for only to have Frontier stop rewarding that type of game play. This isn't a presidential election... stop worrying what the other person is doing.

Also, sorry I ruffled your feathers Ed, but when you play the game, and you see a few select bugs every.... single... time you play the game. It does get annoying. I realize FD can't fix every bug. There are some that have existed since the original beta. Now you know what it feels like to be annoyed with something you try to hard to enjoy.

 

[Leo Sagan]

Cool story bro ...

 

[bkrownd]

Also WHO CARES what ships someone is flying.

Because they use those ships against you. If they didn't, then I wouldn't care. But they do, so I do care.

 

[AutoMechancal]

Because they use those ships against you. If they didn't, then I wouldn't care. But they do, so I do care.

Yeah because noobs totally follow the meta and know how to fly. There was no need to nerf missions other then to make the game more of a grind.

 

[Cmdr Esteban]

Both Frontier AND the community, should be ashamed.

OP, when you start out by telling everybody they should be ashamed, you should not expect positive outcomes.

 

[Sysmon]

Sounds like something you enjoyed got diminished. Try not to hang on, but instead move on and find something else that is fun to do. Because Robigo/Sothis are diminished doesn't mean that something else will take their place. Your expectations may be set a bit high. Try to lower them.

S

 

[sutex]

What you used to do , in your game play A to B been nerfed .....Herded like sheep , into the story line.

 

[SeanKye]

Sounds like something you enjoyed got diminished. Try not to hang on, but instead move on and find something else that is fun to do. Because Robigo/Sothis are diminished doesn't mean that something else will take their place. Your expectations may be set a bit high. Try to lower them.

S

Problem is, with each of these changes, there is less fun things to do. I never did the long runs, don't have the time. But I did do a lot a hauling and delivery missions. Those are now pointless as well. Payout is so poor god help me if I am interdicted, the mission won't pay enough to repair the paint. My only fun thing left to do is go play Skyrim, there is nothing here for me.

 

[Ravenous]

I kinda have to agree with many of the points in the OP, especially about outright removing (scan-fail smuggling, i know there's still a scan-get-payed-less variant available, but that doesn't get my netves all tqngled up like the scan-fails used to), and about the community's attitude of "well boohoo for you, atleast you're not cheating anymore so now I'm all happy-go-lucky for no reason" regarding the overkill-nerf to anything called missions without the word passenger infront of it.

That said though, and I really do miss those scan-fail smuggling runs in my almost completely E-rated Cobra at the time, FD have acknowledged that something doesn't smell quite right with mission-rewards in general since 2.2, so we don't actually know how hard anything has been hit yet, so shouldn't we wait untill they clear that up before going to war with eachother over ones personal opinions of what a player is allowed to make credits off of in the game?

And with that, I'm off to bed, see you out there Commanders

 

[Marc_Hicks]

In a dynamic galaxy, I don't expect anything to remain the same for too long. As the BGS improves, I'd expect the locations of plentiful, long range smuggling missions to move quite frequently. Once it was Robigo, next it was Sothis.....no doubt some other system in "the wild frontier" will pop up soon. There was a drop in payouts for regular missions, but that seems to happen a lot during major updates (i.e a bug)......I feel certain it will be fixed ASAP. In the meantime, I'm picking up passenger missions, salvage missions and fumerole/geyser hunting. Plus, now that escape pods are legal salvage, I'm making a decent amount of cash turning them and their occupants in at settlements/stations.

 

[asphaltpilot]

Well, I understand what the OP is saying. While I cannot talk on Sothis, I can talk about everything else that I LOVE to do in Elite that is now broken.

• Missions aren't worth it. The payout is now terrible and borderline insulting.
• Bounty hunting/Undermining/Pirating NPC's isn't worth it. Interdiction is broken.
• Exploring isn't worth it. Chance losing weeks worth of data by dropping into a neutron star.
• Passenger missions aren't worth it. I had two yesterday I could not complete because it said I was still at the last location.

So this pretty much leaves nothing of interest in the game for me.

In its current state everything I love to do in this game is broken. I know the folks at Frontier are working hard and looking into some/all of these issues to make right. But damn, how did all of this get past the beta?? And I'm sad for Frontier that all their hard work is tarnished.

And I had come into 2.2 loving what I had seen: The updated starport services menu, the updated interior of high tech ports (D'Arrest looks amazing), the new animations, the additions of passenger tours, new sounds, and more. But all that is gone now because I struggle to do anything I like that isn't broken.

 

[Sunsol]

What you used to do , in your game play A to B been nerfed .....Herded like sheep , into the story line.

Story....line?

 

[Anuset]

OP, when you start out by telling everybody they should be ashamed, you should not expect positive outcomes.

Every expectation has already been fulfilled! I expected a 2nd grade conversation and I got it... complete with a "Cool story bro" - day complete.

Sounds like something you enjoyed got diminished. Try not to hang on, but instead move on and find something else that is fun to do. Because Robigo/Sothis are diminished doesn't mean that something else will take their place. Your expectations may be set a bit high. Try to lower them

S

I did lower them, I opened the forums.

What you used to do , in your game play A to B been nerfed .....Herded like sheep , into the story line.

Well hence the sandbox, we can choose to do what we want to do. That's why its supposed to be a sand box, so people like you can kick others sand castles. Not have sand removed from the box.

Totally agree Asphalt. I wish I could Marc... I've tried... ran some passenger missions, they just seem tedious. Probably should just go 'explore' until FD figures it out or really does the game in. Sean, that... has crossed my mind too, especially considering that Skyrim Remastered will be out tomorrow...

 

[Conflictus]

Well, I understand what the OP is saying. While I cannot talk on Sothis, I can talk about everything else that I LOVE to do in Elite that is now broken.

• Missions aren't worth it. The payout is now terrible and borderline insulting.
• Bounty hunting/Undermining/Pirating NPC's isn't worth it. Interdiction is broken.
• Exploring isn't worth it. Chance losing weeks worth of data by dropping into a neutron star.
• Passenger missions aren't worth it. I had two yesterday I could not complete because it said I was still at the last location.

So this pretty much leaves nothing of interest in the game for me.

In its current state everything I love to do in this game is broken. I know the folks at Frontier are working hard and looking into some/all of these issues to make right. But damn, how did all of this get past the beta?? And I'm sad for Frontier that all their hard work is tarnished.

And I had come into 2.2 loving what I had seen: The updated starport services menu, the updated interior of high tech ports (D'Arrest looks amazing), the new animations, the additions of passenger tours, new sounds, and more. But all that is gone now because I struggle to do anything I like that isn't broken.

Seriously can we just get a whine & cheese sub forum for all of these people?

 

[Marc_Hicks]

Well, I understand what the OP is saying. While I cannot talk on Sothis, I can talk about everything else that I LOVE to do in Elite that is now broken.

• Missions aren't worth it. The payout is now terrible and borderline insulting.
• Bounty hunting/Undermining/Pirating NPC's isn't worth it. Interdiction is broken.
• Exploring isn't worth it. Chance losing weeks worth of data by dropping into a neutron star.
• Passenger missions aren't worth it. I had two yesterday I could not complete because it said I was still at the last location.

So this pretty much leaves nothing of interest in the game for me.

In its current state everything I love to do in this game is broken. I know the folks at Frontier are working hard and looking into some/all of these issues to make right. But damn, how did all of this get past the beta?? And I'm sad for Frontier that all their hard work is tarnished.

And I had come into 2.2 loving what I had seen: The updated starport services menu, the updated interior of high tech ports (D'Arrest looks amazing), the new animations, the additions of passenger tours, new sounds, and more. But all that is gone now because I struggle to do anything I like that isn't broken.

That's funny, as I find 2.2 to be the best update we have had so far.....barring the mission payout bug, which seems to happen with every major update.

I can still explore and bounty hunt just like I always could, & I actually *love* the passenger missions, even though I hope they will flesh them.out more in future updates. I am looking forward to meeting new Engineers, looking for geological features and......just maybe.....finding some ancient ruin one day.


Better still is that now I can consolidate my "fleet" when I need to......a massive QoL improvement.
Seriously, the level of negativity in this thread seems to be totally out of line with the level of the alleged "problem". Those of us who have followed every update since 1.1 know that things are a bit wonky for the first week-a problem even the triple A studios run into.

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Seriously can we just get a whine & cheese sub forum for all of these people?

Totally agree. These guys have enough whine to set up their own cellar door.

 

[DarthRavadge]

I love 2.2 but I do agree about the community screwing things up for some of the players out there.
Problem is we have different camps.
The power play PVP'ers AKA "The call of duty in a space ship" guys. They spend all day whining about how pvp is unbalanced in a game where it is quite literally impossible to balance pvp. They want everyone to struggle as much as possible so there is less competition. Half of these guys are so desperate for a fight they will attack any player they see and force many more relaxed players into solo.
Then we have the "immersion above all" players who are completely willing to break the game so that they can feel like their mom's basement really is the bridge of a ship. Sorry but you are still sitting there in a roller chair. Not flying at superluminal speed.
Then we have the mild mannered play for fun type that gets the backlash from both other groups.

 

[Anuset]

Seriously can we just get a whine & cheese sub forum for all of these people?

That's funny, as I find 2.2 to be the best update we have had so far.....barring the mission payout bug, which seems to happen with every major update.

I can still explore and bounty hunt just like I always could, & I actually *love* the passenger missions, even though I hope they will flesh them.out more in future updates. I am looking forward to meeting new Engineers, looking for geological features and......just maybe.....finding some ancient ruin one day.


Better still is that now I can consolidate my "fleet" when I need to......a massive QoL improvement.
Seriously, the level of negativity in this thread seems to be totally out of line with the level of the alleged "problem". Those of us who have followed every update since 1.1 know that things are a bit wonky for the first week-a problem even the triple A studios run into.

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Totally agree. These guys have enough whine to set up their own cellar door.

I don't think everyone enjoys complaining. I certainly don't. How about bringing some constructive criticism and cheese and we may be able to have a conversation.

If you consider the negativity to be out of line when you log in and play the game to the enjoyment you were before, then yes... I'm going to complain and continue to.

I love 2.2 but I do agree about the community screwing things up for some of the players out there.
Problem is we have different camps.
The power play PVP'ers AKA "The call of duty in a space ship" guys. They spend all day whining about how pvp is unbalanced in a game where it is quite literally impossible to balance pvp. They want everyone to struggle as much as possible so there is less competition. Half of these guys are so desperate for a fight they will attack any player they see and force many more relaxed players into solo.
Then we have the "immersion above all" players who are completely willing to break the game so that they can feel like their mom's basement really is the bridge of a ship. Sorry but you are still sitting there in a roller chair. Not flying at superluminal speed.
Then we have the mild mannered play for fun type that gets the backlash from both other groups.

Thanks Darth. All I think most of us are asking. Seems there's a lot of people on the forums here that are entirely unable to put themselves in someone else's shoes for a moment.

 

[Kaa Mchorror]

I love 2.2 but I do agree about the community screwing things up for some of the players out there.
Problem is we have different camps.
The power play PVP'ers AKA "The call of duty in a space ship" guys. They spend all day whining about how pvp is unbalanced in a game where it is quite literally impossible to balance pvp. They want everyone to struggle as much as possible so there is less competition. Half of these guys are so desperate for a fight they will attack any player they see and force many more relaxed players into solo.
Then we have the "immersion above all" players who are completely willing to break the game so that they can feel like their mom's basement really is the bridge of a ship. Sorry but you are still sitting there in a roller chair. Not flying at superluminal speed.
Then we have the mild mannered play for fun type that gets the backlash from both other groups.

At least we know that you have a black and white insulting bias against the forum participants. Could you possibly come down from your ivory tower to tell us what our opinion is supposed to be? No? I guess we will just go with whatever wisdom you decide to indoctrinate us with.

 

[kofeyh]

I did lower them, I opened the forums.

Frontier made some changes last minute, as the seemly can't help but do shortly before a new major update goes live. Missions being trashed is one of them. Time will be needed, as it always is, for Frontier to sort out the last minute changes that they should never ever do, but do anyway because what could possibly go wrong.

Here's the thing, though. There's always a new way to make money in Elite. Always. If it isn't a random weekend where payouts for something are off the chain, it's a CG that ends and goods are paying out millions, or a mission change goes through and it's mega-bucks.

And you cannot stop the strident few, who wish to speak for all. They have and will continue to have frontier's ear. Every community suffers the same thing, regardless of game.

Give it time; there will be something new.

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At least we know that you have a black and white insulting bias against the forum participants. Could you possibly come down from your ivory tower to tell us what our opinion is supposed to be? No? I guess we will just go with whatever wisdom you decide to indoctrinate us with.

To be fair, Frontier has listened to the vocal & entitled 'grey beards' a fair bit lately. With.. varying (to be kind) degrees of success. Commander may well be a bit blunt, granted.

 

[Captain Willard]

The game just keeps getting better and better. Don't like it? Leave. We surely need another thread about how you could never design a game.