Is the Thargoid presence actually on the outer rim ? A consideration

[dynamicbob]

After reading and following several comments, lore, and group activities amoung other things relating to the thargoids, I am coming to the conclusion that the real thargoid presence ( i wont use the word threat as it could be an opportunity) but their mere presence could actually be from outside of the galaxy or somewhere on the outer rim of the Elite universe

Feel free to discuss, but what im interested in is as there isnt a established community project to perhaps map the outer 10-15 maybe 20% of especially the far side of the galaxy along the outer rim ( bar beagle point and the formidine rift) but theres a massive amount of the 1/5 of the donut around the outer edge of the galaxy that especially on the far side but even on sol side to the left and right has hardly been visited, and frontier have stated that there is content and mysteries to still be found. A lot of attention goes straight to sag A or hard to reach up and down spots on the roof and underside of the galaxy

So would there be any interest in some form of collobration, data collection and an increase in explorers willing to go deeper out and further around the outer edge of the galaxy in still easily accessible locations to at least continue to monitor and keep an eye for anything of interest out there ?

 

[Andrew Gaspurr]

I'd be happy to chime in on this. But could you please give a short train of thoughts as to why you have come to this conclusion?
Also: What exactly do you consider the outer rim of the galaxy? Full circle or a specific portion of it?

I tried to follow up on the Canonn project and all tinfoil things concerning aliens but with all those threadnaughts it's really hard for the uninitiated to get a grasp of this 'lore portion'.

 

[marx]

As far as I know, there are only tidbits of references to the Outer Rim (sic) in-game, and they are mostly rumours and such. While I would love it if we had to travel to the edge to find something unique, so far all evidence points to unknown stuff being much closer.
But anyway, I'm always up for exploring the Southern edge, and perhaps it would be time to go East or West to places that have barely been touched yet. I believe I'll be spending the coming weeks inside the bubble though.

 

[dynamicbob]

I'd be happy to chime in on this. But could you please give a short train of thoughts as to why you have come to this conclusion?
Also: What exactly do you consider the outer rim of the galaxy? Full circle or a specific portion of it?

I tried to follow up on the Canonn project and all tinfoil things concerning aliens but with all those threadnaughts it's really hard for the uninitiated to get a grasp of this 'lore portion'.

Full circle basically a donut of the outer 20% of the galaxy around the plane of the bulk of the galaxy ( with some allowance made for up and down)

Some of the npc political representatives when they give out missions talk as well as fighter pilots (npcs) talk about thargoids being rumoured to come from the outer rim of the galxy so these npcs sign up to either get out there or avoid it.

The fact most of season 2 revolves aroudn the missing generation ships ( and the ruins are referred to as ancient civilsation rather than alien ruins) though alien involvement cant be ruled out

Then there is salome / drew wagnar and most of that leads to stuff beign found " out in the depths of space beyond the formidine rift" but we could extend that and go right round the outer 1/5.

The fact the devs said there is a lot of content " out there" to be found that hasnt. We know the formidine rift and children of raxxla are searching maybe 1/15th of the nearest outer arm but its a very narrow search

And the one place (beagle point excepted) or many places that the smallest amount of commanders playing have been is the opposite side of the galaxy and if u looked at the metrics id go as far as to say that 80% of the entire outer rim has barley been visited in any detail, a heat map of player discoveries at least on EDSM shows that the far side is very much under represented except for rare hotspots ( nebulas, rare stars and the like are all tagged) but 10-50LY you might find around those points theres full of undiscovereds. Ive done a lot of infill but we really need now the game is 2 years old a serious attempt to see if any of the lots of missing content remaining undiscovered braben refers to is actually "outer there on the outer rims)

And theres other small bits here and there that have been informing my reasoning for a while, but there is generally a mostly community ignorance and jus plain lack of interest in a lot of the empty galaxy

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As far as I know, there are only tidbits of references to the Outer Rim (sic) in-game, and they are mostly rumours and such. While I would love it if we had to travel to the edge to find something unique, so far all evidence points to unknown stuff being much closer.
But anyway, I'm always up for exploring the Southern edge, and perhaps it would be time to go East or West to places that have barely been touched yet. I believe I'll be spending the coming weeks inside the bubble though.

Yeah i think most commanders are chasing the limited content within the bubble that has the biggest PR value and development time for now. I always go against the crowd and i think at least there may be stuff to be found otu there, its a massive haystack full of only a few needles of value.

Im open to ideas and those that want to co ordinate on the ideas im thinking about, there has to be some in the community i know a lot of who are out there but its no more than 50 or so and most of those are infrequent players with long range ships who generally still visit key landmarks.
A lack of stations and a lack of any content beyond scanning and planet side rocks ( and now geysers and volcanoes and the like) is a downside. Well im heading out somewhere out there on the other side of sag A, and i invite anyone who wants to join in to tag this thread, visit my discord if u like and generally just keep an eye on this thread.

 

[dynamicbob]

After looking at the SHEPARD project it is mapping the inner far arm. The outer arm looks like it will remain untouched for the most part, there may be opportunity for some of us to go further. That would be the closest approximation apart from the bigger galactic mapping project which continues but is very limited in far side of galaxy information

 

[marx]

Yeah. But the problem is that aside from some vague rumours, there are no in-game clues to locations to go on. Even though the star density on the edges is quite small, the area to search would still be massive. I'd still be up for going out there to survey places, but I don't expect to find anything out of the ordinary. The view and the journey alone are worth it though, in my opinion.

Oh, and about what people say in the crew lounge: there was also a lady posted who claims to have fought Thargoids, then there are all those Novice pilots who claim to have been showered by glory in wars, and so on. I wouldn't put any stock in what they say.

 

[Dommarraa]

I know of no even semi-reasonable suggestions that Thargoids are related to the outer rim.
There is something of interest in or beyond the Formadine Rift, which could reasonably be described as the outer rim, but I see no reason to believe it is Thargoid related.

 

[Dommarraa]

I know of no even semi-reasonable suggestions that Thargoids are related to the outer rim.There is something of interest in or beyond the Formadine Rift, which could reasonably be described as the outer rim, but I see no reason to believe it is Thargoid related.

We do suffer from the issue that anything that is unusual is considered "Thargoid", then people argue for days about whether it is or not. Personally, I can live with the generic appropriation and dont need to classify things so accurately without any supporting information. So in hindsight, they may well be Thargoids on the outer rim, as long as you are OK with them not actually being Thargoids.

 

[Monk]

They are closer than you think.

*squints eyes at a picture of Hudson*

*dons tin foil hat*

 

[Raj Matheo]

I have been slowly making my way along a section Carina-Sagittarius for the past 3 months, mostly on the far edge. With around 30k ly still to go until beagle point I can report little out of the ordinary. The area feels old, its void of nebula and dust of any kind towards the edge.
Stars are predominately main sequence with pockets of brown dwarfs and an orange giant every few hundred ly. The edge constellations full of white's, small blues, G's and K's, I found a lot of water worlds. There is almost no proto stars everything is quite old.
I think its has good potential for intelligent life so I have been taking it pretty slow, fingers crossed.

Spoiler

 

[Asp Explorer]

Thargoids on the outer rim?

Scrape them off Jim!

 

[Major Klutz]

Is the Thargoid presence actually on the outer rim ?

IMO, No.
The other side of the Galaxy would not be a threat and would be very difficult for most players to access.
And that part of the Galaxy was not even accessible during the first Thargoid war.

If I had to guess, I would be willing to bet They are in the permit locked regions near the bubble.
And if I were to speculate even more, FD probably have something new for us other than or in addition to Thargoids

 

[mls]

IMO, No.
The other side of the Galaxy would not be a threat and would be very difficult for most players to access.
And that part of the Galaxy was not even accessible during the first Thargoid war.

If I had to guess, I would be willing to bet They are in the permit locked regions near the bubble.
And if I were to speculate even more, FD probably have something new for us other than or in addition to Thargoids

very much this ^^

Also you could scoot up and down the outer rim for the rest of your life and still miss a massive Thargoid sit-in.
Actually you can fly straight through the bubble and never hit an explored system with stations and ships. Happend to me several times and the bubble is not that big compared to a galactic arm.

 

[iain666]

I've spent the last year on the rim and I've not seen aught.

Spoiler

anywhere on this path

 

[dynamicbob]

very much this ^^

Also you could scoot up and down the outer rim for the rest of your life and still miss a massive Thargoid sit-in.
Actually you can fly straight through the bubble and never hit an explored system with stations and ships. Happend to me several times and the bubble is not that big compared to a galactic arm.

there are otehr reasons for scooting up and down the outer rim and the 20% of space between the absolute outer limit back towards the core, this project / discussion thread is about the outer parts of the galaxy right round the outside, and someone mentioned being out there for 6 months that was prior to 2.2. The clock continues to tick with perhaps nothing perhaps something out there. There are so few of us out there, Fdev look at the metrics and go well low % of players engaging in these regions we wont put anything in, a change in that could encourage more content placement before and after 2.3

the SHEPARD Project is heading out in mid november, they wont be going that far out but they will be checking out nebula, its a good start, another group of us conducting sciencey stuff further out would be a nice parallel contribution

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IMO, No.
The other side of the Galaxy would not be a threat and would be very difficult for most players to access.
And that part of the Galaxy was not even accessible during the first Thargoid war.

If I had to guess, I would be willing to bet They are in the permit locked regions near the bubble.
And if I were to speculate even more, FD probably have something new for us other than or in addition to Thargoids

Well this thread isnt really about the bubble so what happens there is what happens there but should be left on the fringes of this thread, instead id like contributions from those that are planning on heading deep space, and perhaps that are out there already even if its just to report points of interest and landmarks.

A good point about it being hard to access, now we have access theres a greater push to explore those regions

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Yeah. But the problem is that aside from some vague rumours, there are no in-game clues to locations to go on. Even though the star density on the edges is quite small, the area to search would still be massive. I'd still be up for going out there to survey places, but I don't expect to find anything out of the ordinary. The view and the journey alone are worth it though, in my opinion.

Oh, and about what people say in the crew lounge: there was also a lady posted who claims to have fought Thargoids, then there are all those Novice pilots who claim to have been showered by glory in wars, and so on. I wouldn't put any stock in what they say.

Yeah we can go into it looking for nothing out of the ordinary perhaps some interesting solar systems qith unique combinations of planets and other interesting visual eye candy.

As far as the crew lounge perhaps Fdev have put some clue in plain site to get us interested, im going to give some weight on this and its one reasonf or going out

A few other points might just be to conduct biological sampling missions and geyser and volcanic surveys. Earthlikes, waterworlds and ammonia terristrials are all worth additional study, in the future we will get content for walking on earthlike planets and so forth. And if we can conduct the basic honk and system plus detailed surface scans now and get that data back to the human bubbles ( and jaques specifically) then that data becomes more useful

If enough of us get involved we might get some research outposts in new regions ( similiar to jaques) the door is open a crack now

 

[[VR] optimal_909]

very much this ^^

Also you could scoot up and down the outer rim for the rest of your life and still miss a massive Thargoid sit-in.
Actually you can fly straight through the bubble and never hit an explored system with stations and ships. Happend to me several times and the bubble is not that big compared to a galactic arm.

After Jaques was found in the middle of nowhere, I think FDev probably places these stuff into a quantum state until these are found. That is is to say Jaques was present in a large number of potential systems and once one of these was found it spawned the station.

This galaxy is so vast, we have barely any chance finsing something randomly.

 

[Allitnil]

After Jaques was found in the middle of nowhere, I think FDev probably places these stuff into a quantum state until these are found. That is is to say Jaques was present in a large number of potential systems and once one of these was found it spawned the station.

Eol Prou rs-t d3-94 was the only procedurally generated system name explicitly listed in the game files.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

After Jaques was found in the middle of nowhere, I think FDev probably places these stuff into a quantum state until these are found. That is is to say Jaques was present in a large number of potential systems and once one of these was found it spawned the station.

Cly found it using the galaxy map - it showed up as having an economy - and then flew out to confirm. It seems unlikely there were several such systems.

 

[dynamicbob]

Eol Prou rs-t d3-94 was the only procedurally generated system name explicitly listed in the game files.

yeah they only thing we can do at least to mirror the potential is to map fully all those procedural nebulas out there as another one, ive done about 40 of the leamae systems today about 3k LY out from colonia as my contribution, most systems dont have any first discovered, if someone beats me to some systems thats fine. Im going to slowly extend to other ones at least to get the ball rolling

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Cly found it using the galaxy map - it showed up as having an economy - and then flew out to confirm. It seems unlikely there were several such systems.

you can bet that loophole will be closed in future if Fdev repeat the same mechanism

 

[[VR] optimal_909]

Cly found it using the galaxy map - it showed up as having an economy - and then flew out to confirm. It seems unlikely there were several such systems.

Well, another theory down the drain.