Why did you kill me?

Why? Because they can. Rarely is there any deeper meaning than that.

Why do some do that and not others? Some might regard those that do as being petty, or perhaps trying to compensate for something. And they'd probably be right in a lot of cases. Other times the reason is likely somewhere between boredom and immaturity.
 
you know that fim falling down with michael douglass?.......well some of us dont quite snap like the character in that fim...so venting in a virtual world is safer.
good fim.....totally get the guy lol.

some of us choose not to be ants in the colony.
 
I wanted to ask the pvpers in the community why they kill other commanders when there is no in game benefit for it.
I am sure for some it is simply for the challenge of going up against a human instead of a NPC.

Now regarding those who take their battle rigged ships and go after explorers or noobs in sidewinders: They are not about the challenge factor. They are simply trying to (at best) dominate in an environment that allows them to without consequence. Or they just like to annoy other people.

The game is called Elite: Dangerous ;) if there weren't occasional pirates coming after me, I'd want my money back :D
But, but, there is no danger. It's a game. I can see getting somewhat of a rush from trying to escape an interdiction that could be from a pirate, bounty hunter, or a butthead.

If people want to keep referencing the title when it comes to how some Cmdr's play, it could be called Elite:Annoyance as well. ;)
 
I wanted to ask the pvpers in the community why they kill other commanders when there is no in game benefit for it.

Because there is no meaningful PvP anywhere else.

Cant go and do Powerplay/faction/bgs or any sort of PvP because it's better to log into private and grind.

Oh and the crime system sucks so true murderers get away with it.
 
Hmmmm so after reading through most of this thread all I can say is "Man the      up" to the whingers.

I pirate people, I will always initiate communication first, then try disabling them and even give them a second chance if they try to run and just got torn to shreds before destroying them because there is no profit in blowing them up and not getting any cargo.

I find people just randomly killing ppl for no other reason than killing them kinda stupid, but it's a open world game and psychopaths are to be expected (look at ANY open world game with PvP and you'll see the exact same thing as here e.g DayZ, WoW - PvP servers (infact any MMO with open world PvP), 7DTD, H1Z1 etc. etc. )
I've had people try to do this and I'll either turn around and end up killing them, get away or get blown up, when I do get blown up I either jump into a combat ship to kill them with or just go somewhere else where they aren't, I don't start a thread and cry about it to everyone wanting a lil supportive circle jerk.

The players in this game that are ruining it more than anyone else in my opinion are:

1) Mission stackers - Open > Solo > Open > Solo = Profit with zero skill and minimal effort. People stacking missions in that way are pretty much cheating and should have 90% of the money made in that way taken away from them. People are running around in ships they shouldn't even be able to afford or have the Rep for due to using this method which really is cheating to get ahead.

2) Combat Loggers - If you're in open, don't just pull the plug or exit to menu the second you actually have some kind of PvP interaction with another player. This is once again pretty much cheating and a cowards way of playing, if you're that scared of getting blown up just play in Solo - Also this issue is one of the things that is making gankers even worse due to the frustration it causes.

3) People who make these threads and all the lil plebs who come to stroke them and get stroked back over their "hard lives" in game after getting destroyed once or twice - Seriously, you people are most likely the ones that combat log the most, and then the 1 time you get caught out in open by a pirate or ganker and get destroyed you cry about how your entire gaming experience has been ruined and that people who do it are scum.
You people need to just accept it as part of the game and get over it - If you don't like it, don't play in open or build yourself so you can survive long enough to get out and learn ways to avoid the situation altogether.
These are people who most likely have the smallest shield possible attached to their ship (if one at all) with the VERY minimum you can have on your ship (full D rated no weapons etc.) so you can jump a few lys more - If you want to trade and do it in open you can sacrifice a little of your jump distance and cargo amount for better shield/hull, speed, and defensive weapons.

On the odd occasion I trade I'll be using something like an iClipper with dirty drives so I can boost away from most fights at 550ms or so and a big enough shield to last getting out of range and take a few hits - anything that could keep up with me won't be able to destroy me before I'm able to get out - sacrificed a little jump range but it keeps me safe from pretty much anything.

Maybe you guys who complain about getting destroyed need to re-think your ship builds and realize that if you're going for Max jump distance and cargo at the expense of everything else then you are the ones gambling with your ship and cargo - 99/100 times you might get away with it but in that 1 time you don't if you get destroyed because you didn't listen to demands or came up against someone just being a psychopath killing everything he sees then it's most likely your own fault.

And yes, there are times when you will come up against something that will be able to kill you easily and you'll have no chance if they interdict you but that is when using tactics comes into play, if you see someone lurking around in SC then target them, scan them and look at their sub-systems, figure out if you should just get the      out of there and come back later or risk going for the station if they don't look like they will be too much of a threat. If you risk it watch where they position themselves and always keep them targeted, if they look like their trying to get behind you and they are in something that will destroy you very quickly then drop from SC and highwake away to another system.

These whinger threads are usually just people who need adapt and not play like mindless tools.
 
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Or to put that another way... "anyone who doesn't play the way I play is a mindless tool and a whinger".

lol?

Sorry if you think playing the game as someone with zero defenses, getting blown up and crying about it in forums is the right way to play...

Using zero tactics and thought to get yourself out of a situation which could be avoided or necessary defenses to keep yourself alive is playing mindlessly and if you get destroyed because of it then you deserve it.
 
lol?

Sorry if you think playing the game as someone with zero defenses, getting blown up and crying about it in forums is the right way to play...

Using zero tactics and thought to get yourself out of a situation which could be avoided or necessary defenses to keep yourself alive is playing mindlessly and if you get destroyed because of it then you deserve it.

Point one. That's not how I play at all. I just choose not to play with YOU.

Point two. Who are you to decide how anyone else wants to play? If someone DOES want to play shieldless etc that's THEIR call. You have no right to insult someone for enjoying a different game to you.
 
lol?

Sorry if you think playing the game as someone with zero defenses, getting blown up and crying about it in forums is the right way to play...

Using zero tactics and thought to get yourself out of a situation which could be avoided or necessary defenses to keep yourself alive is playing mindlessly and if you get destroyed because of it then you deserve it.

Look, we get where you're coming from. Sure there are folks who play as you describe. Personally I think they are a bit daft. At the other extreme are folks who play like jerks just because they can. In the broad middle between those two extremes that contains the vast majority of players there's folks like you and I who neither fly defenseless nor act like jerkwads. Of the two groups at those two extremes I know who's the biggest "problem" for the game in general, and it isn't the defenseless types. Assuming everyone who objects to the jerks is one of the defenseless types is both simplistic and a little delusional.
 
I'm not one to kill other CMDRs, but I don't really have an issue with those that do. I think blowing away harmless T9s with uberegineered FDLs and stuff is kinda lame, but it's part of the game.

I strictly play open, unless I'm trying to really cash in on a bounty hunting CZ. I've had little trouble with other CMDRs myself.

Those that have bugged me, I often run from. Submit, high wake. If you can't, well, you put yourself in that position. Leaving a station in an Anarchy system with players loitering outside? Choose your destination before leaving. Boost like a madman, and high wake. Switch to solo, if it makes you feel better.

Anytime there's a hollow square, assume hostility. Scan them in SC, observe their loadout, or if they're in a wing. If it's a Python loaded down with packhounds and plasmas, it might be trouble. Mine launchers? Don't worry about it. Smaller ship than you? Who cares. Run if they cause you trouble.

I like to check contacts in the comms panel, see what other CMDRs are piloting, just so I have an idea of what I might be facing.

ETA: 98% of my interactions with others have been positive. Solo is worth taking the risk in opinion.
 
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Thank you for proving my point. Your own reply only works if I am upset. Since you collectively cannot stand the fact that I am mocking you, you twist my statement (the lying to yourself element) that I am crying over you. I'd laugh but it actually makes me sad for you that you need to hurt people to give yourself a sense of self worth.

Being completely honest, I have never been in a position of victim on this game.

Unlike you lot, though, rather than using emotional arguments, I depend on facts.

"Gank tactics" are not profitable in the game. You make no significant money, the game doesn't have an experience system in the sense that most PK scenarios do, and, if you are using ammunition based weaponry, it usually costs you more than than the couple of credits you might make on (possible) salvage.

As a result, you have to look outside the game for motivations. Motivations vary for most actions, but it is telling that you use "interactions" when you are talking about killing another player in game without communicating with them, and that you are choosing targets that cannot fight back. When you look up social interaction, one of the key words in the definition is "with". You do not interact AGAINST someone, you interact WITH them.

Player versus player, while closer in mindset, is still misleading. Versus involves competition, but you are not competing; you literally don't want someone that can provide a challenge.

As a result, when people in this venue say PvP Interaction in relation to ganking, they are making an oxymoron to cover the fact that they want to assault a player that is not a challenge.

You want, and, for the most part, have, a lack of repercussions for abuse. What I have really done is to call you on your behavior, and you don't like the fact that anyone is willing to say so to your face. You know that your actions are not socially acceptable, and you don't want someone spoiling your fun even when that fun is at the expense of someone else.

EDIT - Online Disinhibition Effect

You need to take a little break from Elite I feel. You are projecting some issues onto some pixels on the screen.
 
Quoted for truth.

Plus, that PvP is that sort of mess in the game, is FD's fault, for not implementing a meaningful "crimes amongst players system" into the game - why PvP is not fun except for < Badgering >.

Exactly.

Ultima Online from 1997 and EVE from 2003 had crime systems in place. Why didn't Elite learn anything from these two games is beyond me.

Mode switching, horrible crime system, highwaking>masslock, and engineered super weapons from RNG. It's craaaaaazy town.
 
Point one. That's not how I play at all. I just choose not to play with YOU.

Point two. Who are you to decide how anyone else wants to play? If someone DOES want to play shieldless etc that's THEIR call. You have no right to insult someone for enjoying a different game to you.

1) What does this have to do with you playing with me? I have Zero interest in playing with you and never thought or suggested it's something that I would want? :-/

2) I didn't say they shouldn't and I didn't say that everyone should be playing like I said or do, I just said it's stupid to play like that and then complain about getting blown up.

Like I said, playing in that manner is basically gambling their ship and cargo - If they feel the risk is worth it then go for it, but don't complain when they get destroyed because of the way they choose to play.

But if we are also talking about not deciding how other people play.....

Some people have decided to play like Psychopaths killing anyone and that's their choice, I don't do it myself and don't think it's a great way to play but that is their choice, who are you/the people complaining about and insulting them to say anything? - "You have no right to insult someone for enjoying a different game to you."

For the same reasons as some people slash train seats or torture puppies. Coz they're petty, dull, small minded, and cruel.

(Are you offended by this? Oh well. *shrug*)
Sound familiar?
 
If you're wanted and I think I can take you, I'll kill you.
If you attack me and either I can't run (for whatever reason) or I think I have a reasonable chance of succeeding, I'll kill you.
If you're harshing my buddies, I'll kill you.
If you're working for "the other guys" - whether that's working against my chosen local faction or on the other side of a CG or whatever - then if I can find a legal way to do it, I'll kill you.

Other than that, though, I'll keep the hardpoints stowed if you do.

Which sounds like the hype for the mid-season finale, what show we watching?
 
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