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There's tickets galore on missing stars - they all get the "We'll look into it" treatment and then tumbleweed.
I'm disappointed they didn't send Salome to Tartarus system - she's been sent to a metaphorical one for daring to challenge the Gods.
So you want to know about the Formidine Rift? (Part 3)
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There's tickets galore on missing stars - they all get the "We'll look into it" treatment and then tumbleweed.
I'm disappointed they didn't send Salome to Tartarus system - she's been sent to a metaphorical one for daring to challenge the Gods.
I think @DrewCarnegie is thinking along the right lines: we need to step back and ask the right question.
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So, what are the key questions?
What: what evidence might Salome have found, yet not shared openly? Is there evidence in the bubble to be found by us players? What is the nature of any danger Salome thinks she has found: alien; rogue AI or human elements closer to home?
Where: there is a suggestion of a clue between Tionisla and Cemiess. There has been a transmission from the graveyard in Tionisla referencing EAFOTS. Salome has been around the bubble a lot but her trips to Sol and Achenar seem particularly relevant. There are clues relating to constellations near the Reorte-Riedquat line. So we have some individual systems to examine, which has been done, and a broad direction but not a distance to check in the Perseus Arm and beyond, which has been ongoing. There are more clues to find and perhaps some that have been missed, even in the core systems. Is there anywhere else we should be looking?
Who: there are some key players in the puzzle other than Salome. Who else knows the secrets she is investigating? Patreus and Aisling Duval seem to be opposing her but are they merely being driven to oppose her by someone else? Is there anyone else investigating the same thing? Who would benefit from Salome's investigation being stopped? Who would benefit most if she discovered something - does Salome have allies beyond the Children of Raxxla, The Dark Wheel and friends in the Prism system?
How: how can we help? How did Salome know where to look and how to look? How will we recognise a clue, even if we do find one? Is it a case of 'check the women and the money first' (have I seen too much police procedural stuff, or should I just enjoy watching Midsomer Murders...)?
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Please forgive these long lines of questions. This is how I step back and look at things. Even if I have failed to find the key question, perhaps I can inspire someone else to ask it...
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So, what are the key questions?
- Why
- What
- Where
- Who
- How
What: what evidence might Salome have found, yet not shared openly? Is there evidence in the bubble to be found by us players? What is the nature of any danger Salome thinks she has found: alien; rogue AI or human elements closer to home?
Where: there is a suggestion of a clue between Tionisla and Cemiess. There has been a transmission from the graveyard in Tionisla referencing EAFOTS. Salome has been around the bubble a lot but her trips to Sol and Achenar seem particularly relevant. There are clues relating to constellations near the Reorte-Riedquat line. So we have some individual systems to examine, which has been done, and a broad direction but not a distance to check in the Perseus Arm and beyond, which has been ongoing. There are more clues to find and perhaps some that have been missed, even in the core systems. Is there anywhere else we should be looking?
Who: there are some key players in the puzzle other than Salome. Who else knows the secrets she is investigating? Patreus and Aisling Duval seem to be opposing her but are they merely being driven to oppose her by someone else? Is there anyone else investigating the same thing? Who would benefit from Salome's investigation being stopped? Who would benefit most if she discovered something - does Salome have allies beyond the Children of Raxxla, The Dark Wheel and friends in the Prism system?
How: how can we help? How did Salome know where to look and how to look? How will we recognise a clue, even if we do find one? Is it a case of 'check the women and the money first' (have I seen too much police procedural stuff, or should I just enjoy watching Midsomer Murders...)?
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Please forgive these long lines of questions. This is how I step back and look at things. Even if I have failed to find the key question, perhaps I can inspire someone else to ask it...
Masheikh Scytale
Banned
All that makes sense. Specially about the "knowledge" Kahina traded to avoid execution. That "what"-knowledege is the threat. That's why having Kahina just jailed is well enough for the Empire.
About the superpowers resources, pardon me, but the only limitation is what FDevs decide ... unlimited if it deserves their story telling. They don(t want us to discover something REALLY exciting ? They just lock the system or the entire region or half the galaxy if they just want to . We can keep on chasing our tails until they decide time has come to let us unveil the mystery. As always with a new patch.
Sorry but I am convinced FDevs don't play fair wit Rifters...
I think they play fair with us, which isn't to say they play NICE
It's the Barnacle Monkeys who have to wait for a patch to get new content.
We have it, we just haven't worked out what it is yet.
Masheikh Scytale
Banned
I think they play fair with us, which isn't to say they play NICE
It's the Barnacle Monkeys who have to wait for a patch to get new content.
We have it, we just haven't worked out what it is yet.
I sincerely hope you are right because this Formidine affair is the only thing keeps me interested in this flat game.
Ill be so disappointed if it turned to be an other "all that for that ?' in the FDev style.
Faith in Drew > Faith in FDev
Now if it turns out that FDev accidentally patched the Rift out in 1.5, I wouldn't be at all surprised
Masheikh Scytale
Banned
Faith in Drew > Faith in FDev
Now if it turns out that FDev accidentally patched the Rift out in 1.5, I wouldn't be at all surprised
LoL ! "accidentally" and "FDev" usualy don't come hand in hand. But I amit you are as philanthropic with FDevs as Andrew C. was with the people...
Disney's Andrew C
Look at my nick and avatar .. I am not.
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Hey there mates,
Sorry in advance for misspells or anything, english ain't my first language... I follow the many threads and clues about the Rift for a while, and last week decided to get myself closer to it and start acting instead of just sitting there and watch. I felt and still feel today that the EAFOTS sector is only a pointer and not the destination itself and its tearing me to go search something im not sure of what it consist exactly. The words ''core'' of the problem is around bouncing day and night in my head and reading today's posts on this thread made me go back to scratch. Even if Drew said that the meaning of formidine is fear was a good clue, I think it's still incomplete and could help us trying to understand what we are really looking for since it's been told that the person or group that is going to find ''it'' is likely have the knowledge or a fair idea of what they looking for.
French being my native language, its have really deep roots with latin and i wanted to investigate the Formidine term to see if my old etymology courses could help in anything...Well it seems i found something I think worth enough for me to post for the first time here. It's been told that the Formidine rift thing could be a decoy or something to hide truth, well here's an interesting fact on this: Formidine come from ''Formido'' in its singular ablative form. Formido in itself mean something alike to ''fear'' depending the context but with the help of a couple of traduced latin texts extracts(and their o.v.) to compare, I can say it may means something more relevant to us.
As said, formido means ''fear'', but not exactly fear istelf. In many case it carry on the mean of ''dismay'' or even ''dread''. What's more interesting came right after; there is another meaning to the term in certain latin dictionnaries that i found to be used in latin texts extracts also. Traducing from the french word ''épouvantail'', ''formido'' means also ''scarecrow'' in the way of ''a person or an object destined to scare'' or ''a person or an object who scare without real(apparent) causes(reasons)''.
Well, maybe i'm wrapping too much tinfoil around my head on this.
Sorry in advance for misspells or anything, english ain't my first language... I follow the many threads and clues about the Rift for a while, and last week decided to get myself closer to it and start acting instead of just sitting there and watch. I felt and still feel today that the EAFOTS sector is only a pointer and not the destination itself and its tearing me to go search something im not sure of what it consist exactly. The words ''core'' of the problem is around bouncing day and night in my head and reading today's posts on this thread made me go back to scratch. Even if Drew said that the meaning of formidine is fear was a good clue, I think it's still incomplete and could help us trying to understand what we are really looking for since it's been told that the person or group that is going to find ''it'' is likely have the knowledge or a fair idea of what they looking for.
French being my native language, its have really deep roots with latin and i wanted to investigate the Formidine term to see if my old etymology courses could help in anything...Well it seems i found something I think worth enough for me to post for the first time here. It's been told that the Formidine rift thing could be a decoy or something to hide truth, well here's an interesting fact on this: Formidine come from ''Formido'' in its singular ablative form. Formido in itself mean something alike to ''fear'' depending the context but with the help of a couple of traduced latin texts extracts(and their o.v.) to compare, I can say it may means something more relevant to us.
As said, formido means ''fear'', but not exactly fear istelf. In many case it carry on the mean of ''dismay'' or even ''dread''. What's more interesting came right after; there is another meaning to the term in certain latin dictionnaries that i found to be used in latin texts extracts also. Traducing from the french word ''épouvantail'', ''formido'' means also ''scarecrow'' in the way of ''a person or an object destined to scare'' or ''a person or an object who scare without real(apparent) causes(reasons)''.
Well, maybe i'm wrapping too much tinfoil around my head on this.
Out exploring/crossing the Rift again and I happen across a Y dwarf system. I see it's discovered, and I was thinking "Who the heck is this CMDR Poet Starwind?!?" :| (see my signature)
Masheikh Scytale
Banned
Very interesting mon ami. Specially thinking of "and they thought the Thargoids were the trouble...'
Nothing can be more scaring than this quote.
dynamicbob
Banned
Haha rediscovering youre own findings, ive got a few myself i think out around some of the base camps
Masheikh Scytale
Banned
LoL are you sure of what your girlfriend uses your PC for when you are out ?
Beware ! She could unveil the whole mystery before you and us all !
What a shame ! LoL
Legacy_LuckyLuke
Banned
Yay! About time
To be fair, we did try to have some of these conversations a while back but I seem to remember getting slammed for focusing too much on the story/mythological elements and to stick to "facts" as we knew them. Hence the explorations went firmly in the "what" and "where" directions.
I'll find some time later to post a summary of how I think this is fitting together. But for this, you're right on the money. We need to look behind the motivations of the characters involved. Remember, Drew already gave us some big hints towards that, saying he's predominantly a character writer and getting us to look into Etymologies of things.
There was also my post way back when on the connections behind the planetary naming in Prism, the connection with Greek and Babylonian mythologies that got some nods from Drew also.
Much of the problem with this mystery is that there have been a lot of stops and starts whilst Drew negotiated with FD to tell the story, and let it unfold the way he wanted to.
That all changed a couple of months ago when he and FD came to an agreement (so we are told) hence the story has begun to move at a pace.
Even though there have been some new turns in the story, we haven't really learnt anything new yet as Drew is still laying the ground I think, bringing us, the story, and any new folks up to speed after the few false turns it took in the past year.
I'll post my thoughts on where we are up to a little later - but by way of a tidbit: I firmly believe that the galaxy map that we access through our ships is different to the actual galaxy.
We have been told before by FD that the skybox we see in ED is the same as what is represented in the galaxy map, with every star visible we see can also be viewed and plotted to in the galaxy map. (Permits permitting.)
My hunch is that in a few areas of the galaxy, if we look properly we will see that there are different and/or more viewable stars through our cockpit than what is displayed in the map.
Those are the dark systems. The ones that haven't been mapped - not because no one has been there yet, but, because we are being controlled by the powers (in-game). This is also why our ship movement is locked during FSD charge - to prevent misjumps but also to control what CMDRs can and can't do.
The old woman saw past this facade and I believe Salomé did too.
After all, how best to cover up something that happened across multiple systems by simply not allowing them to appear in the galaxy map?
One of the "who" questions we can ask is who is behind 'universal cartographics'. (Though I seem to remember we did briefly touch on this question before.)
Anyway, I'm out of time for now. Just arrived at work
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I've bug reported Cassiopeia A and Tycho's SNR. Not so much as a "go away kid" as a response. That thread is just sitting out there.
I've had two articles published about the issue: once in global galnet and the other in Sol local news. That means that the issue has at least been mentioned "in game".
I've emailed community@frontier.co.uk telling them about the Cas A/Tycho SNR expedition. No word. [ugh]
Legacy_LuckyLuke
Banned
Decoys, misdirection and all of the above. CMDRs are being played. But who are the players?
I think you will find there is a lot of number 1 (or 2 to simplify their lives). See for example: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=106111
Here is the SIMBAD link to the cluster, with individual links to the four main stars at the bottom of the page with the usual lists of other catalog designations. I tried all of these without success on the Galaxy Map some time ago (and also visited the area and poked around looking for them): http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-basic?Ident=theta1+orionis&submit=SIMBAD+search
Theta 1 Orionis C is in-game, but nowhere near the Orion Nebula where it is supposed to be. A, B and D are nowhere to be found, under any of their names.
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I bug reported missing stars shortly after the game came out (including one in the Pleiades). Never got a response, so stopped doing it.
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I've been coming to the same conclusion. During the search for Cas A I plan to follow the line from Earth the Cas A every 100Ly or so and checking the skybox for anything that would otherwise go unseen. Not every 100Ly from Sol mind you, just every 100ly beginning where Cas A could plausibly be.
Further to my last, here is a PM (from March 2016) that I sent to a friend at the time about the missing Trapezium Cluster stars: "Check out this link and look at the four stars in the centre with the yellow lines - that is them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trapezium_Cluster#/media/File:Great_Nebula_in_Orion_Labeled.jpg Pretty important you would think, huh? But not in game apparently. Now, is this a bug, or deliberate ("core of the problem", "nebulous", "certain regions of space", etc.) I am leaning towards bug or omission, and would file a bug report except for the fact that similar reports I have filed in the past have been ignored."
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You can always find new bugs, like me [big grin]
I'm now in EAFOTS, in a long return to the bubble.