So you want to know about the Formidine Rift? (Part 3)

Understood.

I dunno guys, i'd hate to be the one responsible for a yet another goose chase and the rift is dangerous. I don't think it's smart to just head there to try things and risk getting stuck and/or losing the ship with tons of data. Or at best waste time. And the mind is known to playing tricks and make its own thruth when faced with closed doors (if u know what i mean). But, and i'm gonna steal a quote here: “An ancestor of mine maintained that if you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the solution.”. Perhaps we are not there just yet. We should not discount the other leads while at the same time keep an eye on this.

I suspect you don't need to worry about most of the people in this thread, in terms of safety, anyway. This group is very capable in terms of exploration - if you are new to it, please ask, lots of us can help!

As for a wild goos chase... We could re-name the thread the "Wild Goose Chase Rift", and it would be a far more accurate thread title!

Honestly, I'm half expecting Salome to whisper "Miranda" in a drug induced stupor through her ship comms. If you haven't seen Serenity, I suggest you do, it's actually thin kind of thing I am expecting. Or, possibly, some sort of origin story* for an "alien" species, said species being out to get us thanks to stupid acts on behalf of those that ruled us a century or so ago...

*I may have read 3 or 4 of the Oolite books on my flights over the last few days...
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So I'm quite new to exploration in Elite. I sadly have lacked the time to get myself all kitted out and ready to go. Perhaps sometime during the coming weekends.

Regardless, I've been following this thread with quite some interest. I'm sadly not much of a puzzle solver, or up to date on all the developments / clues / mythical lore behind this mystery, but the few things I wonder about are:

Does the rift relate to things -we- fear? Dying, getting too close to black holes / things and such. Would such a thing be involved with crossing over?
Could the RR line not be as relevant or correct anymore thanks to the rotation of the galaxy? Although on a galactic scale, the time passed since those clues is marginal at best.

Pretty sure these things have already been considered. Perhaps I should use the search function first. :p
 
This quote from another post regarding the mystery. So it's a visual backdrop 'the markers' are constellations? Some aspects 'in the rift' can be seen.

Apologies as catching up on all this and assume the 'Rift' is where the Heisenberg Bridge crosses?

Whatever it is that we're looking for in the rift, can it be seen from a distance? (Like a bright star, planetary nebula etc) or does one need to follow a specific trail of clues?
So far my method has been to fly out as far as I can and look around for anything that stands out. I'm not sure if this a futile strategy or not.
Thank you for your time and for creating this mystery!


[–]drewwagarDrew Wagar | Official ED Author | www.drewwagar.com 3 points 5 months ago

Certainly there will be markers that are visible, but not everything is. By searching in the fashion you have been, you may already have seen some aspects of it.
 
I just wanted to quickly drop in and add something about the WWWWH approach... this seems eminently sensible. If cop shows have taught me anything, then its that understanding the motive is vital.

And I have one particular question that I still don't think we've bottomed out. Who? Because we know a fair bit about Kahina/Salome, but we still don't really know who she is. We know the name is significant, but haven't figured why. As was posted upthread, she tripped out on this explore the rift thing on the flimsiest of reasons - the babbling of an old lady: Who Kahina/Salome is might tell us why. And the biggest most gaping hole in her persona, at least for me, is who the hell are her parents? That might seem an odd thing to ask, but then she is odd. She looks different to her sisters. She acts differently to them. She is special because she is the one chosen by Octavia in the book, because of who she is, but we don't know specifically why. She has a father (or does she?) but no mention of a mother. That's a bit like Aisling. So, I ask again - who is she?
 
Well, if I start to see something unusual then I plan on checking the nav panel for any stars that don't appear in the galaxy map.


Excuse my bad english understanding sir, but do you mean the stellar bodies on the Nav Panel are not actually the exact reflect of these on the GalMap ?
If so, it opens an incredible amount of new possibilities ! (200 000 Ly explored and still a total noob ..sigh..)
Refueling, stacking biscuits and out to the Rift again ! ...
Starting the explo game again like a total noob is indeed very refreshing !
I am again in love with E: D ![wacko]
I prefer not to wonder what I could have missed... [cry]
 
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Excuse my bad english understanding sir, but do you mean the stellar bodies on the Nav Panel are not actually the exact reflect of these on the GalMap ?
If so, it opens an incredible amount of new possibilities ! (200 000 Ly explored and still a total noob ..sigh..)
Refueling, stacking biscuits and out to the Rift again ! ...
Starting the explo game again like a total noob is indeed very refreshing !
I am again in love with E: D ![wacko]
I prefer not to wonder what I could have missed... [cry]

I'm not saying that with an certainty but one of the things I've failed to look for in my Nav panel has been entire star systems marked as "unknown". I've always assumed that the galaxy map was ... The galaxy. I'm not operating from that point of view during the Cas A mission. I'm planning to thoroughly check the list of nearby systems with an eye toward anything out of place.
 
The Prophecy of Pope John XXIII

“Michael and John will step down onto the earth ...”
“Half-moon, star and cross will collide.
There will be someone holding up the black cross.
From the valley of the prince the blind horsemen will come.
After them the ravens of hunger, of misery, of plague.
Whereto can you still flee, after you have destroyed the Church and killed the last Father?”
Do expect the sign of John.
"The lamb is prepared."
“Open your hearts to the Lily.
The voice announced by the trumpets will be mighty.
Light from the west, the last light before the eternal unknown light.”
“The screams are swelling, the barriers of discord.
The beast is already emerging from the waters.
Famine stops the armies. Men are expecting death.
God has unchained the war of nature, to prevent the war of men ...
The daughter of Cain has descended in the North to preach.
Seven years of luxury in the new Babylon.
In the seventh year the seventh veil of Salome will fall, but there is no Emperor, there is nobody who could lift up the sword and cut off the head of John.
The time is nigh.”​

I draw your attention to the penultimate line...
 
My hunch is that in a few areas of the galaxy, if we look properly we will see that there are different and/or more viewable stars through our cockpit than what is displayed in the map.

Those are the dark systems. The ones that haven't been mapped - not because no one has been there yet, but, because we are being controlled by the powers (in-game). This is also why our ship movement is locked during FSD charge - to prevent misjumps but also to control what CMDRs can and can't do.

This too is one of my hunches. I haven't been out yet, whilst I've made it back from Jacques, I'm too tied up with SLF at the moment.

The obvious thing is to check for jump destinations and look out for stars that don't conform to the sector name. It might be more obscure than that though and you have to check *every* name to see if it exists, that could get tedious quickly :)
 
This too is one of my hunches. I haven't been out yet, whilst I've made it back from Jacques, I'm too tied up with SLF at the moment.

The obvious thing is to check for jump destinations and look out for stars that don't conform to the sector name. It might be more obscure than that though and you have to check *every* name to see if it exists, that could get tedious quickly :)

Ha!

Tedium means nothing to rifters.
A one in 1/2 trillion chance of running into Raxxla sounds good odds to rifters.

Still 4 kylies out from H&S and I think the Heart looks different? Anyone out there already notice any changes? It looks as if there's a cluster of bright stars shining out from within it? I don't recall that from previous trips. Checking the Heart in Galmap, it seems to have much more definition and structure than I recall. I don't think I have old shots of it to compare. The Soul looks the same to me.

http://imgur.com/a/Om36L

Can't really tell from this screenshot but those stars are bright on the screen.

My mistake it's a cluster in front of it.

On the other hand I don't recall seeing these bright stars on the way through the H&S before?

http://imgur.com/a/E361s

Anyone,,

nevermind it's the 2mass jo23xxxxx cluster,,,,

still things look different this trip
 
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My hunch is that in a few areas of the galaxy, if we look properly we will see that there are different and/or more viewable stars through our cockpit than what is displayed in the map.

Those are the dark systems. The ones that haven't been mapped - not because no one has been there yet, but, because we are being controlled by the powers (in-game). This is also why our ship movement is locked during FSD charge - to prevent misjumps but also to control what CMDRs can and can't do.

That could explain why that one star system was way off the GalMap that Drew C. looked at. They are present in the GalMap, just in a place out of visible range/accessibility. It's a possibility, just like everything and anything is currently possible.
 
The trouble with the rift is that it is a remarkably unremarkable bit of space, once you get past heart and soul. It's distinguishing feature is a lack of distinguishing features. The odd type O is about as exciting as it gets.

What if we're not looking for a distinguishing feature? It may be something that can be seen from many different places. Otherwise we're looking for a needle in a haystack, and I think there is a comment somewhere from Drew saying he doesn't like that.
 
What if we're not looking for a distinguishing feature? It may be something that can be seen from many different places. Otherwise we're looking for a needle in a haystack, and I think there is a comment somewhere from Drew saying he doesn't like that.

Hence the need to know what it is before we go looking ;)

It's been said before that we're looking for a needle in a haystack despite not knowing what a needle looks like, or where the haystack is.
 
I'm not saying that with an certainty but one of the things I've failed to look for in my Nav panel has been entire star systems marked as "unknown". I've always assumed that the galaxy map was ... The galaxy. I'm not operating from that point of view during the Cas A mission. I'm planning to thoroughly check the list of nearby systems with an eye toward anything out of place.

Ok, so I would completely subscribe to the theory that hiding something that's out there (and that matches with so many of Drew's clues) would be to hide stars from the galmap. Absolutely do.

What about the other way around? What if I'm seeing plenty of systems in the galmap, but not in my nav panel? Now hold on, I know what you're going to say: usually only systems up to a certain range show up in the nav panel (I suppose it's a limit to the number of systems that can be listed there), but this usually only applies in the bubble, where there are usually upwards of thirty systems below a twenty-LY distance from any given system.

HOWEVER, look at these two images, taken in the same system:
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In case you're wondering, this is past H&S, but waayyy below the plane. As you can see, only two systems can be selected from the nav panel, but quite a few are within jump range in the galmap. The two I can select in the nav panel aren't even the closest ones, only CYOILZ GA-A C29-0 is. The other one is my next waypoint, 37.69LY away. There are others like CYOILZ FA-A C29-0 that are closer (32.07 LY in that instance).

Riddle me this.




Ha!

(.....snip....)

Still 4 kylies out from H&S and I think the Heart looks different? Anyone out there already notice any changes? It looks as if there's a cluster of bright stars shining out from within it? I don't recall that from previous trips. Checking the Heart in Galmap, it seems to have much more definition and structure than I recall. I don't think I have old shots of it to compare. The Soul looks the same to me.

http://imgur.com/a/Om36L

Can't really tell from this screenshot but those stars are bright on the screen.

(.....snip....)

still things look different this trip

Quite so. Last time I was out this way, the cluster of stars forming the arrow (the ones with S171, etc.) within NGC7822 were discernible from the galmap as well from far away, not just in the skybox or when zooming into NGC7822 in galmap. Now (and I'm assuming this has to do with 2.2), I can only see them in galmap when I get REALLY close.



What if we're not looking for a distinguishing feature? It may be something that can be seen from many different places. Otherwise we're looking for a needle in a haystack, and I think there is a comment somewhere from Drew saying he doesn't like that.

I think this fits with Drew's clues in terms of IT not being a POI and potentially having partially been discovered by CMDRs up to this point, maybe without them knowing.
 
The star system that is 37.7LY away, further than the other star system you selected which is 33.44LY, is part of your plotted route which is most likely why you are seeing it in the NavPanel. It doesn't display systems further than 25 or something LY - I can't remember the distance. If you didn't have the 37.7LY system part of your plotted route it wouldn't be displayed if you just jumped into the system.
 
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The star system that is 37.7LY away, further than the other star system you selected which is 33.44LY, is part of your plotted route which is most likely why you are seeing it in the NavPanel. It doesn't display systems further than 25 or something LY - I can't remember the distance. If you didn't have the 37.7LY system part of your plotted route it wouldn't be displayed if you just jumped into the system.

20LY is the limit.
 
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