Horizons Exploring is boring, and a single death means you loose everything

Ghost_Ship_Supreme

Ghost_Ship_Supreme
I spent a week exploring systems and scanning planets, saving up to cash them in at an engineer, however due to some stupid bug or something that froze my ship in the middle of a warzone, i was destroyed, fined $1 million and apparently, lost PAGES OF DATA ON CARTOGRAPHICS. :mad:

Exploring is so damn boring, there's no point to it moneywise, as even the 5-7 pages i had saved up were so worthless, and it takes from minuites to hours just to explore some systems! It's so incredibly boring, and useless, that no wonder why no-one explores; besides besides the sightseeing, and possibly getting your name on some of the 400 Billion stars there's no point, as you can make 10x that much in a less than an hour!

So WHY should this data be able to be lost when Data and meterials aren't? Especially when they're worth basically nothing. Also i noticed my bountys/rewards and some barnacle scans disapeared thanks to this too! This is even more infuriating, as these probably shouldn't be able to be lost, as they would be like a bulletin board type thing! I'm never exploring again, biggest waste of a week's worth of time ever. [mad]
 
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Kayweg

Kayweg
Ghost_Ship_Supreme said:
I spent a week exploring systems and scanning planets, saving up to cash them in at an engineer, however due to some stupid bug or something that froze my ship in the middle of a warzone, i was destroyed, fined $1 million and apparently, lost PAGES OF DATA ON CARTOGRAPHICS. :mad:

Exploring is so damn boring, there's no point to it moneywise, as even the 5-7 pages i had saved up were so worthless, and it takes from minuites to hours just to explore some systems! It's so incredibly boring, and useless, that no wonder why no-one explores; besides besides the sightseeing, and possibly getting your name on some of the 400 Billion stars there's no point, as you can make 10x that much in a less than an hour!

So WHY should this data be able to be lost when Data and meterials aren't? Especially when they're worth basically nothing. Also i noticed my bountys/rewards and some barnacle scans disapeared thanks to this too! This is even more infuriating, as these probably shouldn't be able to be lost, as they would be like a bulletin board type thing! I'm never exploring again, biggest waste of a week's worth of time ever. [mad]
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Exploration isn't everyone's cup of tea, and yes, loosing it all is harsh.
But can i ask what business you had in a warzone, with a ship carrying a weeks worth of exploration data ?
 

varonica

varonica
Kayweg said:
Exploration isn't everyone's cup of tea, and yes, loosing it all is harsh.
But can i ask what business you had in a warzone, with a ship carrying a weeks worth of exploration data ?
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I would have to agree with both, some people enjoy exploring, if you think it's boring why do it?

And also, yes exploring and combat don't mix, the best exploration ships aren't set up for combat, explore, run like a coward to the nearest star port and sell, play in solo to avoid player interdictions. Of course that all depends if you are exploring to get the money, or exploring to get the data and rank. Personally I do it for neither, I do it because I enjoy finding new and interesting things and if I get destroyed while exploring I just shrug, payout my insurance and off I go again!

You don't have to do everything in a game just because it's there, do what you enjoy doing.
 

Mercury7

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Why did you loiter and not just jump to the next system?

Do war-zones exist outside the bubble? It seems you were not far away from it (> 1000 Ly).
 

Bdragon4

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Admittedly, exploring is not the most exciting thing, at least for me. You basically have to fly out into the void and stay out until you just can't take it anymore, then zip back to the nearest high security station. Don't loiter even for a moment. Don't even drop your FSD. The borders of The Bubble can get sketchy sometimes.
 

Ghost_Ship_Supreme

Ghost_Ship_Supreme
I was getting chemical manipulators for a class 5 FSD drive upgrade. Apparently for some reason they're extremely hard to find, and the only way to get them is seeking weapons, meds, and hazres.
 

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What - on earth - did the OP do in "the middle of a Warzone" ???!?

Combat is the absolutely only thing you don't - ever - do when holding a ton of Map Data. Like... Never. Ever.

The absolutely only thing you do when you're sitting on several Pages worth of Map Data is : dock at the desired location and sell the Data.
No exception. Anything else risks losing all the Data.

PS.
Chemical Manipulators are frequently found in many Combat Aftermath Signal Sources

The only time even I "pull the plug" is when I realize I have to "Bug-log". When the Game freezes or acts up and I know there's nothing I could do, I kill the task ASAP.
IMHO this is a perfectly legit thing to do. No point in letting an annoying and very obvious bug kill your Ship.

Speaking of Bug :
- file a Support Ticket and explain your Situation
- Support can restore your Ship and your Map Data, but only within a rather tight limit (AFAIK a few days)

With a bit of luck, you get your stuff restored and your losses refunded. That's what Support is for and they're quite fast.
 
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Kayweg

Kayweg
Ghost_Ship_Supreme said:
I was getting chemical manipulators for a class 5 FSD drive upgrade. Apparently for some reason they're extremely hard to find, and the only way to get them is seeking weapons, meds, and hazres.
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Well, hopefully you'll dust yourself off and carry on.
When you do, first thing to do when returning from an exploration trip is to sell the data, before heading to places that want to kill you.
It's not that you did much wrong, but you did it in the wrong order. ;)
 

Jaiotu

Jaiotu
Ghost_Ship_Supreme said:
I was getting chemical manipulators for a class 5 FSD drive upgrade. Apparently for some reason they're extremely hard to find, and the only way to get them is seeking weapons, meds, and hazres.
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Why would anyone ever go on a quest to find chemical manipulators with a weeks worth of unsold exploration data? Anyway, as others have mentioned: Exploration isn't for everyone. For me, it IS the game. I could care less about amassing an in-game fortune. Exploration is it's own reward.

Okay: Chemical Manipulators. I found nine of these yesterday in SOL within about 20 minutes of playing. It wasn't even why I was in Sol but, heck yeah I scooped them. Encoded Emissions signal sources and Degraded Emissions sources were spawning them pretty regularly. I hope you find some!
 

Lightspeed

Lightspeed
In defense of the OP, he did not realize that exploration data dies with the ship, whereas other data and even materials do not. He has highlighted an enormous mismatch in FD's logic on this one.

He has a point, so +1.:)
 

Jaiotu

Jaiotu
Lightspeed said:
In defense of the OP, he did not realize that exploration data dies with the ship, whereas other data and even materials do not. He has highlighted an enormous mismatch in FD's logic on this one.

He has a point, so +1.:)
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It may be a mismatch in logic but I think it is a necessary trade off for game play. There would be a lot more tears if players lost all their engineering data and materials as well as their exploration data.

Materials and engineering data don't really directly count toward progress in Exploration rank. That's why you're allowed to keep it. Elite rank is supposed to be something that is a challenge. If your data stuck with you after getting yourself killed then there would be no challenge at all in the exploration career path and the rank would become meaningless.

It would be okay for players to get a payout for their lost exploration data but that shouldn't count toward exploration rank.
 

Minoo Minou

Minoo Minou
Ghost_Ship_Supreme said:
I was getting chemical manipulators for a class 5 FSD drive upgrade. Apparently for some reason they're extremely hard to find, and the only way to get them is seeking weapons, meds, and hazres.
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If you like slaughtering for fun, try an anarchy system and take down T9s and T7s, the drop rate for chemical manipulators is good.
 
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