Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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Thatchinho

Thatchinho
Cmdr Frawd Digger said:
Ok, so I am going to go back to moon 1Ba and have a thorough search (as thorough as one Cmdr can be) of obvious places POIs might be (craters etc)...

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Dunno if it's already on your list, or has already been done, but it might be worth checking the area which would be directly in the centre of the view of 1Ba when looked at from 1B. (Hope that makes sense, can't think of a good way to phrase it!.)

I'm at the Alliance base in the California Nebula following a post from someone earlier. They had a failed expansion attempt and want exploration data. Other than that there's nothing to report (except I handed a bunch of data in and got my very first 'first discovery', woohoo!). If anyone wants anything checking around here, let me know.
 

RedWizzard

RedWizzard
ShadowAviator said:
This is my concern as well. Someone (Brookes maybe?) said the ruins are the first step, but that doesn't mean there is more content to be found in 2.2. They are being very quiet about alot of this, even regarding various bugs and stuff.

I figured they would say something like "don't worry there is more there" or whatever to let us know to keep digging.

I have this nagging thought that there may be nothing at all in Rift or any mystery areas, just fluff and rumors to keep us busy.

I would love to be wrong. With all the hidden videos, I hope there is more. I wouldn't think they would show the end goal in the trailer. I don't know.
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I'd like to see the source of that "first step" comment if you can track it down. Personally I'm leaning towards the ruins being a standalone oddity rather than the start of anything or part of another mystery. I'm sure DB said (I think in one of the livestreams) that it would be possible to find the remains of extinct alien civilizations in 2.2 and it seems to me that is exactly what the ruins are. I also agree with those who say the ruins don't look like the other alien stuff stylistically.

The devs have usually been very quiet about our progress on the mysteries (other than offering congratulations for major discoveries), often even in the face of bugs. It's not safe to assume that a lack of comment from them means anything; they may simply be busy. It's also not sound to assume that "you found it earlier than expected" implies that there will be more to it but that content is not there yet. That may be true, but equally it may just be that they were planing a treasure hunt type event to find the ruins and that is now, well, ruined (pun intended :p). In fact MB said something along the lines of "we had some stuff planned that will now be reused in another context" which pretty much confirms that is the case IMHO.
 

Cmdr Frawd Digger

Cmdr Frawd Digger
Thatchinho said:
Hi Frawd,

Sorry, I should have said in my post, but I forgot (it's late!)- I wasn't sure whether the orbital inclination was being measured relative to 1B's or 1's equatorial plane. I went with 1's and might have got a bit carried away!

You're probably right though and it's 1B's equatorial plane. Still tidally locked and still a great place for keeping an eye on 1B from!

I'm having a bit of a hard time with picturing the dynamics of it all though.

Dunno if my explanation of what 1B's orbit made much sense but have found a pic which illustrates it:

http://www.setterfield.org/Astronomy/pictures/uranus_orbit.jpg

The arrows showing Uranus's direction of spin in the pic also illustrate what 1Ba would be doing. (Well, if all the other moons are ignored!)

The difficult bit is taking into account the effects of the other moons. They'd all almost certainly produce little effects on the orbit of 1Ba which would frequently change it's orbit - I wouldn't be able to work those effects out in my head with any accuracy (if at all) but it kind of seems like the whole thing should be chaotic and unstable. Quite possibly it wouldn't be able to exist in RL.

Anyway, regardless of whether it all amounts to anything, hats off to you for thinking to take a look at the orbital mechanics!
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Thanks Cmdr.

I agree the image is what 1B looks like and also agree that the spin lines in the image could represent what 1Ba is doing. I just hope that analysing this means anything at all...

I guess one benefit is I have advanced my knowledge of orbital mechanics from zero to noob :)

Frawd
 
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ShadowAviator

ShadowAviator
RedWizzard said:
I'd like to see the source of that "first step" comment if you can track it down. Personally I'm leaning towards the ruins being a standalone oddity rather than the start of anything or part of another mystery. I'm sure DB said (I think in one of the livestreams) that it would be possible to find the remains of extinct alien civilizations in 2.2 and it seems to me that is exactly what the ruins are. I also agree with those who say the ruins don't look like the other alien stuff stylistically.

The devs have usually been very quiet about our progress on the mysteries (other than offering congratulations for major discoveries), often even in the face of bugs. It's not safe to assume that a lack of comment from them means anything; they may simply be busy. It's also not sound to assume that "you found it earlier than expected" implies that there will be more to it but that content is not there yet. That may be true, but equally it may just be that they were planing a treasure hunt type event to find the ruins and that is now, well, ruined (pun intended :p). In fact MB said something along the lines of "we had some stuff planned that will now be reused in another context" which pretty much confirms that is the case IMHO.
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Well I didn't say that it was safe to assume anything. I simply think it best to think of every possibility. Most players may not even know of these mysteries, so I cannot see FDev devoting too much time to them. I am very glad the devs have added this stuff into the game, but I would not expect too much.

Time will tell.
 

dynamicbob

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ShadowAviator said:
Well I didn't say that it was safe to assume anything. I simply think it best to think of every possibility. Most players may not even know of these mysteries, so I cannot see FDev devoting too much time to them. I am very glad the devs have added this stuff into the game, but I would not expect too much.

Time will tell.
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barnacles had an early issue, bug reports got it fixed then the content was fixed, so first step is to file a bug report and then take it from there.
 

Stonn Mrogg

Stonn Mrogg
Finished search of bodies and docks around Bifrost. Covered the areas as described for Aliloth 1. Even did some superficial visual searching on moons that had similar features and coloration to the terrain seen on the video of Raan's crash.

No sign of Raan.

Alioth 3 and 5 still need to be visited.

I also landed at the spot where CMDR Corsen was located previous to the crash. There is a FedNavy Python sitting only feet from where he had landed. Looks like the Feds are covering their bases.
 
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Han_Zen

Han_Zen
Listening to Drew's excellent read from Premonition, I have had a few thoughts.

It seems like something big and dangerous has been lurking in regions, far from the bubble. I get the impression that this is an alien species that has actually been to Earth in the past. This was so long ago that the stories have only survived as myths in old abandoned religions.

A few primordial deity races form Greek/pre-Greek mythology fits reasonably well with what we have seen so far. These are Cabeiri, the Telchines of Rhodes and the Cyclopes.

The stories of these races are similar and they were often confused by the Greeks. What they have in common is that they were mostly considered amphibious beings and they were experts in metalworking(magically skilled).

Cyclopes are always described as having one big round eye and the Cabeiri were were karkinoi(crabs) that had pincers instead of hands.

In ED these stories may stem from a common source, describing a race similar to the alien wrecks.

It also seems like more accurate knowledge have been passed down the ages through the rituals of cults and secret societies, Samothracian mystery cult, the eleusinian mysteries, Orphic mysteries, rosencreuzian groups, freemasons and later groups like the Golden Dawn.

Karl Devene is probably one of those who knows and protects the secret.

The Thargoids may have had adequate defenses to keep this race out of our common region of space. To bad we disabled their hyper-drives. :p
 

Gorrister

Gorrister
In the video of Drew's premonition reading there is a chart of stars with sol in the center. You find it on 4:44. That reminds me of the view of the ruins from above. Concentric circles. Maybe it is intentional. Just a thought.
 

Spruxxx

Spruxxx
Stonn Mrogg said:
Finished search of bodies and docks around Bifrost. Covered the areas as described for Aliloth 1. Even did some superficial visual searching on moons that had similar features and coloration to the terrain seen on the video of Raan's crash.

No sign of Raan.

Alioth 3 and 5 still need to be visited.

I also landed at the spot where CMDR Corsen was located previous to the crash. There is a FedNavy Python sitting only feet from where he had landed. Looks like the Feds are covering their bases.
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Interesting, I don't suppose you got a chance to cargo scan the Python? I was thinking Mr Corsen might have stashed something at the location before fleeing to Alioth. Perhaps the Python has a data cache in its hold?
 

CHOPP3R

CHOPP3R
Gorrister said:
In the video of Drew's premonition reading there is a chart of stars with sol in the center. You find it on 4:44. That reminds me of the view of the ruins from above. Concentric circles. Maybe it is intentional. Just a thought.
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That's from the star map that came with the Elite Dangerous game when released. May have just been for backers, not sure. Have mine here! Here's a pic of one from an old reddit post. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange..._just_got_this_elite_starchart_poster_in_the/

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Gorrister

Gorrister
CHOPP3R said:
That's from the star map that came with the Elite Dangerous game when released. May have just been for backers, not sure. Have mine here! Here's a pic of one from an old reddit post. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange..._just_got_this_elite_starchart_poster_in_the/


http://i.imgur.com/irMtzGD.jpg
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I was just wondering why it is shown between the scenes of the ruins. For the story in the video it makes no sense. Maybe it can be used as a template to decypher the ruins.
 
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CHOPP3R

CHOPP3R
If there is more than one, as suggested by DB apparently, and if they're all different then each one might give clues as to where to find another..
 

Mengy

Mengy
Gorrister said:
I was just wondering why it is shown between the scenes of the ruins. For the story in the video it makes no sense. Maybe it can be used as a template to decypher the ruins.
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I've been contemplating that maybe it was a hint to tell us that a large circle surrounded by other circles is always meant to represent the position of SOL. Which could mean that the large landing pad in the ruins are meant to represent SOL too, like my "reversed map" does.

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Unfortunately my map isn't pointing to anything exciting, not with the locked Z axis "due to the walls" assumptions I've made. I'm thinking I might start searching again with variable Z coordinates but while holding the distances to SOL and the ruins. I might not find anything but at least I'll be exploring systems for the CG, lol.

EDIT: Actually, looking at my map now, that thick line coming out from SOL that runs through PYRAMID B, could that maybe represent the RR line out to the Formadine Rift? :eek:
 
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