An investigation into Frontier's actions on Combat Logging

Toumal

Toumal
Heavenly-Hammer said:
Yes, think we all have known for some time now that their decision to go with a P2P implementation for player interaction -- while the most affordable and least expensive for FDev to maintain -- is coming back to haunt them in big ways. From the continuing problems with Wings and instancing to the ongoing problems with combat logging, they made a system with fundamental flaws that they are either unable or unwilling to fix. Issues that could have all been avoided with a proper dedicated server setup.

The reality may be that the only way to address these issues once and for all is a rewrite of some of the code and setup of dedicated servers to handle it. If so, I hope they are working on that quietly right now. Along with proper crime and punishment.
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Can't virtual rep you again, so have some virtual virtual rep.
 

Tuub t Tute

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Measure number of disconnects when not in certain environments like docked, or hyperspace, or some others where there is no interaction. if over a given measurement period your connection is inherently unstable enough to not support being a helpful fish in the barrel, next time you log in, Open is greyed out.

The question of whether or not FDev are really enforcing CL rules is moot to me. The question of why they answer on Reddit and not here is far more pressing to me.
 
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robbyp

robbyp
The endless argument.

Unless you want to give Frontier a lot of money per month, peer to peer is the only way to write a game like this. We just have to live with it. If someone combats logs on you, more the fool them for not playing the game properly, and move on.
 

rincewindcymru

rincewindcymru
Just a short quote from 2.2 update ....
NEW CONTENT 2.2

Fighters

- Added F-63 Condor as a playable ship
- Added Imperial Fighter as a playable ship
- Added Taipan as a playable ship
- Added Beluga Liner as a playable ship
- Added fighter specific weapon modules
- Added fighter loadouts
- Added Fighter Bays for supported ships: Corvette, Cutter, Anaconda, Type 9, Beluga, Federal Gunship and Keelback
- Added Crew Lounge
- NPC fighter pilots can be hired
- Hired pilots receive a revenue percentage
etc, etc, etc

Combat logging doesn't even feature on my radar and I'm please FD are concentrating on adding to the game rather than appeasing the few who get their kicks killing a harmless sidey with their engineered ship.
Spoils your immersion! Get real! You're 'pretending' to fly a space ship across the galaxy in your bedroom!! I hate to break it to you but it's not real.
 

UnhappyDev

UnhappyDev
Heavenly-Hammer said:
The reality may be that the only way to address these issues once and for all is a rewrite of some of the code and setup of dedicated servers to handle it. If so, I hope they are working on that quietly right now. Along with proper crime and punishment.
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Given the time and huge expense involved in migrating to a dedicated server architecture, I just can't see it happening any time soon. I would speculate a couple of years, probably more

For the present, I imagine it is extremely difficult for FDev to take effective action against loggers. I'm sure they have investigated many reports in good faith, but they probably have thousands to grind through. What can they do? Maybe sanction persistent offenders who have a high frequency of logging off when ship is 'in danger'?
 
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amysteriousstranger

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rincewindcymru said:
Just a short quote from 2.2 update ....
NEW CONTENT 2.2

Fighters

- Added F-63 Condor as a playable ship
- Added Imperial Fighter as a playable ship
- Added Taipan as a playable ship
- Added Beluga Liner as a playable ship
- Added fighter specific weapon modules
- Added fighter loadouts
- Added Fighter Bays for supported ships: Corvette, Cutter, Anaconda, Type 9, Beluga, Federal Gunship and Keelback
- Added Crew Lounge
- NPC fighter pilots can be hired
- Hired pilots receive a revenue percentage
etc, etc, etc

Combat logging doesn't even feature on my radar and I'm please FD are concentrating on adding to the game rather than appeasing the few who get their kicks killing a harmless sidey with their engineered ship.
Spoils your immersion! Get real! You're 'pretending' to fly a space ship across the galaxy in your bedroom!! I hate to break it to you but it's not real.
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why does everyone assume the only people who are against combat logging are PVPERs who want to kill new players or those that can't fight back?

10x more people have combat logged on me AFTER attacked me first than anyone I've interdicted

I've also seen a lot of people combat log against NPCs so they don't lose credits, and so I stopped playing with them because "it doesn't effect anybody" when it is exploiting the game to save insurance money
 
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Frijaz

Frijaz
We did it, it's over, none of you gained anything from defending the violation of ToS, thanks to FD for bringing out a proper response instead of the silent treatment which has always had a record of causing damage to any major issue. Perhaps we can make a road now towards a final solution.
 

Red Anders

Red Anders
sndle9 said:
Please show me the form I signed.

If I play COD or similar where the sole function of the game is to fight the environment or other players then I'd agree with you.

As I'm playing a game where you can be social and do lots of things that do not involve fighting with load-outs that are not suited to fighting I cannot agree with you.

E.g. If I play ETS2 online to do some social trucking, you occasionally get a player that just drives around in a powerful cab ramming other players. By your definition, the fact that it is possible to ram another lorry means we all signed a declaration that this is what we wanted when joining an online haulage company. No, it really isn't true.
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Is he allowed to do that by the rules of the game? Is ramming other players for lulz specifically prohibited? If it's not, yeah you did sign up for it. You might not want it but your personal desires have literally no relevance because you don't make the rules in online gaming mate, the company does.

It's the same here. Just because you don't want something to happen, that doesn't mean it can't. There is absolutely nothing in the information about this game that ever suggests to you that you can somehow opt out of combat in open play, other than by waking out obviously. Therefore yes, you did agree to it.

Online gaming is just like the world outside your window. Some people out there don't give two shiny craps what you want and there is absolutely nothing you can do about that other than accept it.
 

KR4K40

KR4K40
Frijaz said:
We did it, it's over, none of you gained anything from defending the violation of ToS, thanks to FD for bringing out a proper response instead of the silent treatment which has always had a record of causing damage to any major issue. Perhaps we can make a road now towards a final solution.
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Amen.
 

Cosmos

C
Shar said:
While i would never call Fdev liers, -I'm far to polite for that- can someone send them a backbone. And frontier don't hide your explaination on the redit, hell this is your forum what are you doing. I can only assume you did not want to comment to the real playerbase instead hide on the redit. Not a good look.[sad]
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lol.. The real playerbase..
 

Gunnet

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Frijaz said:
We did it, it's over, none of you gained anything from defending the violation of ToS, thanks to FD for bringing out a proper response instead of the silent treatment which has always had a record of causing damage to any major issue. Perhaps we can make a road now towards a final solution.
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You mean the PR-speak response designed to make the whining stop for a while?

Must resist urge to comment on choice of wording...
 

JW667

JW667
edgar said:
I think much of the so-called "PvE crowd" prefer to suffer from a form of cognitive dissonance, ignoring FD's official ruleset, in favour of a sort of "forum headcanon" ruleset based around their own flawed insistance that ED is "intended" to be PvE-only, despite FD statements to the contrary, and the presence of game mechanics that support PvP interaction.
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I think much of the so-called "PvE crowd" are having fun in Solo and Mobius.
While the l33t "PvP crowd" goes apes#!t on the forum and on reddit.

*passes the popcorn*
 
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xdeath

xdeath
Ziggy Stardust said:
So, reading the comments on Reddit, good thing FD responded or else they would have had to deal with all kinds of nasty ... right? Right? :D

I also just want to say I just needed one post to be amongst the most prolific posters in this thread.

xdeath & Shar, stop posting now!
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NEVER.

My first argument was about not giving Frontier enough time and not doing enough tests.
I never suggested that OP never did the tests, just the OP didn't do enough to prove the FDev was lying.

My other argument was based on the maliciousness of the post itself.
Everyone knew Frontier was going to make an apologetic response. They had to make a response, and that was the only response they could make.

Now we got word that news sites have picked this up. Which will just solicit more hate and drama.

g SDC are going to ruin this game and the community just to get, not even a fix, but just a response from Frontier. For their one issue.
Combat Logging is bad, yeah we get it, but there are many other bad things about this game. Grind, over reliance on RNG, place holder mechanics, the P2P architecture itself.
Why does that one deserve any more attention than the rest?
 
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