General / Off-Topic i sure wish the forum was like it was two to three years ago

LOL So the reason behind this forum not being like it was 2-3 years ago is that there are more people on it? No, even if the forum size was ten people and remained ten till today, I am certain that there would have been something that FD would have changed with the game to upset one or all of those ten people. Nothing stays the same forever, nor should it. OPs "wish" should have stayed in his head and not found its way to this forum.

You're leaving out the context that those 10 people have known each other, and been having polite discussions for years.

Sorry but as someone has been here since Dec 2013 - I don't see any of those original people, no matter how disappointed or upset they are, being the ones starting crusade-like threads.
Critique? Absolutely, as they should. But they are still the level-headed people that were 3 years ago.


The problem with the masses is not whether or not people are upset, it's how they express it. (Critique vs. rude rants)
 
I sympathise with the OP. The writing was on the wall when someone told me, or people like me, to 'grow a pair' which was ridiculous, seeing as how I already have a pair. [woah][haha]
 
Agreed OP......I blame Ziggy...........and TJ...........and Ian...........and Robert..............and Agony Aunt............and Gluttony Fang...........and Bran..........but mainly Ziggy :D
 
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I sympathise with the OP. The writing was on the wall when someone told me, or people like me, to 'grow a pair' which was ridiculous, seeing as how I already have a pair. [woah][haha]

lol Maybe the pair is too small and would be a benefit to you and others if it grew some more?
 
I remember the forums still being pretty much maelstroms of circular argument and personal attacks over non-consensual player piracy back even during the Alpha period.

Just wait, one day BrettC will unleash a shiny new forum on us all, and all of that time, emotional investment and invective will be consigned to a mouldering archive.


Heh, there's some spicy comments right there!
 
When Elite Dangerous first came out, the hard core players (KS backers) were the backbone. They understood that you needed to invest time and effort to get ahead. The difficulty and scope of the game was what set it apart from the competitors on initial release. They recognized the latest iteration of the game was endless and paced themselves. They loved the new iteration (as I did) as it was part of the games heritage they not only understood, but embraced. Then the game grew and spread to people who bought the game simply because they heard it was fun and popular or they got it on a Steam sale.

This new batch of people started playing and realized quickly it isn't like HALO, Mass Effect or FarCry. No one leads you by the hand, there is no single player story and any progress you make is up to you to accomplish. To get higher end ships plus status/ranks requires an investment of time, which runs counter to their shoot everything for an hour until I get the BFG. It wasn't the game they were expecting, so instead of accepting that or moving on to other things they would enjoy, they began a loud campaign to change it. More money, faster progress, end the grind and let me get a Corvette in the first day so I can be King of the galaxy.

I mean it HAS to be the games fault, right? It can't be an 'I want it now' generation or someone who has no patience or ability to think for themselves. Can't be their own unrealistic expectations or inability to think beyond twitching their index finger on a fire button. Nope, must be the game and therefore it must change, not them. They paid $15 bucks in a Steam sale so Frontier HAS to listen to them, undo thirty years of tradition and turn it into a 'traditional' game they understand, right? What's the best way to do that? Trash them endlessly on reviews, obviously, until they conform Elite to all the others they've played.

I just hope Frontier keeps to the path they established in the Kickstarter videos. That's the game I bought and the one I enjoy playing. That vision keeps me here. While I don't agree with some of their design choices, there is still enough I do like to the point that I am approaching the 6,000 hour mark spent in game (across all my accounts.)
 
I sympathise with the OP. The writing was on the wall when someone told me, or people like me, to 'grow a pair' which was ridiculous, seeing as how I already have a pair. [woah][haha]

Pair of what though? They never specify- do they mean arms, tomatoes, cats?

More seriously, I just miss the joy people had playing- ironically Reddit celebrates the cool stuff much more than in this forum which is sad.
 
I think time is a cruel mistress, back in the day we were all speculating about what was to come and what it would entail. Now we have some of the stuff that was coming we are coming to terms with the realisation that its not that 'amazing toy we saw in the window which we thought would be amazing' but its still a fun game just different. Its this ideal that the forums have changed into what we have now :)

Great Expectations. The most ubiquitous mental defect in the human race. That and herd/pack mentality. :p
 
i thought the missions and the way text dictates everything was just a place holder.....but this is it isnt it gents?..this is what ED is always going to be.
I thought the janky MFDs were pro tempore as well, given how chuffin' ugly and awkward they are.

Looks like our interface into the 'world' of ED will be forever channelled through those clunky orange (or blue, as some may prefer) MFDs.
 
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Inbetween the KSers and the twitch gamers are some genuine space-sim/astronomy enthusiasts, online-game players and people who are into more 'hardcore' elements.
Maybe the occasional person who gets confused by the words 'MMO' and 'Microtransaction'.
We love Elite! Yet we can't help but be critical. ^^

I am a conflicted human being. Please forgive me.
 
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I can chart what happened in my opinion.
Just after kickstarter faith was at an all time high, we took DB at his word and we were finally going to get a updated Elite game that is to today's games what the original Elite games were games of the time, something amazing.
Until the release of Alpha that faith didn't waiver, there were plenty of debates on the forums about certain aspects which were heated but a lot of hard information was unknown so it was all conjecture and opinion at that point.

Things started to turn sour for me personally around Jan 2014 when FD started to be a bit shady about some things, missing Kickstarter dates and not even telling people, eeking out the £200 Alpha period to try and cream as much cash as they could out of impatient people, selling £200 Alpha packages days before it became worthless with P2W-eqse reduced insurance costs and early access to Betas which never happened (If I'd bought Alpha at that point for those promises they didn't deliver I'd have got trading standards involved, it was despicable) and culminating in the dropping of offline mode months before the release of the game. Those debates got pretty heated and certain people started defending FD no matter what they did.

Development also started to slow right down after the Alpha. During the Alpha period things went at a fair lick and you could see progress was happening in leaps and bounds, soon as the Prem Beta started progress seemed to drop dramatically. Between Prem Beta and Standard beta I think there was like 1 update build that didn't add a whole lot. As the game progressed to Standard Beta and towards release a lot of people where of the opinion that the game wasn't ready, that what we were seeing couldn't be all FD had to release. That's when I remember the hardcore fanboys really started crawling out of the woodwork with their vertical slice, magical mystery build rubbish which was subsequently proven wrong. Post release the fanboyism just intensified. As the issues with the released game became apparent the more swivel eyed these people became. They'd rush to defend FD when people were pointing out bugs with the game (only for FD to come out and admit there was a bug showing what weirdos these people were). If anyone said the game was lacking the standard response was that it was just the beginning, the game would get more content over the coming year (HA!).

FD did nothing to curb the fanboys and in reality encouraged them by promoting some of them to Mod status (Although I'm not saying all the mods are fanboys, some of them are cool). So as time has gone on these guys have become more and more entrenched, seemingly spending more time defending the game's issues on these forums, reddit and any website that happens to mention ED than actually playing the game. They don't get the infractions that might curb their behaviour because unless they really overstep the mark the mods turn a blind eye. They can continually go in threads, post off topic nonsense and not get punished, they can continually attack the poster and not the post and not get punished so their behaviour continues.

So no matter the post unless it's a fawning "Ain't FD brilliant" thread you get fanboys telling people to play other games or just go away and stop trying to pull them out of the fantasy land they like to inhabit where everything it awesome. Once a new poster gets a few of these they either just stop and go away because they can't face the crazyness or they themselves become entrenched and you get the current forums where entrenched fanboys and entrenched (I dunno what the term is for these but I'll call them) anti-fanboys flinging mud at each other. We don't even get a xmas sing song or game of footy like that thing that happened in World War Battlefield 1.

Your welcome :)
 
Perhaps it's some kind of moral defect inherent to today's 'orrible gamer?

Or perhaps it's because of the crummy way the game's going?

I would say both. :)

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I remember the old days. As a response to my first post I was blamed of cheating because I played in Solo.

Happy days :)

Story of my entire life on this forum. :)

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No community forum survives general release.

duly +1'd. :)
 
Great Expectations. The most ubiquitous mental defect in the human race. That and herd/pack mentality. :p

Yes, but someone starts and fuels those expectations too...worth remembering.
And if a forum user tries to scale down the expectations here (space legs, atmospheric planets, multi crew etc), he's immediately being shot down for being negative.
 
I sure wish the game was like I was led to believe it would be two to three years ago. [hehe]

Watching the David Braben interviews during Gamescon 2016, I found myself thinking I would really like to play the game he is talking about. It also made me want to redesign his bobble head so the arms were more animated instead of just hanging down at the sides.

[video=youtube;-YGlW4WB90Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YGlW4WB90Y[/video]
 
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