What do you mean by that?
To Fly in Open or Not - Is Ganking/Griefing Really That Bad?
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What do you mean by that?
Robert Maynard
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Off-topic exploration into the why behind the opinion - can be construed as badgering or harassment.
But what exactly do you do in OPEN mode? Same as, say, me in Mobius?
How does the additional risk call to a PvEr to come play in OPEN because it's... what? more risky? can no longer trade in an unshielded cutter?
Open for me is simply more risk for no extra reward, in fact it's a mammoth liability compared to Mobius.
When was the first?
I play in the Open all time, and even against all odds I escaped most deaths, yeah I have little experience in PvP, not a super PvPer, but i can say one thing is sure, if you want to go full maxer the n you're opening yourself to death.
Lets get MY example:
I fly in a Cobra MKIII as a pirate. I could have al the pirate stuff and a big cargo hold, but i choose not to. Why? Self defence! I run lots of HRP intead of cargo and have only 16T of it and a collector.
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Now a trader come into a CG, With one shield and the rest as cargo hold... can him survive a REAL ATTACK? NO!
First thing that trader should do is having Heatsinks instead of chaff, or better a combination of both.
this will guarantee him invisibility, meaning , no gimbals, no fixed, no turrets , no missiles, no hatch breakers will EVER lock him... also he would be able to hi-wake to safety while invisible.
But instead they run builds that are not good for traders it selfs....
You're 100% right, there is no benefit to you at all, and that's frontiers fault.
I don't know about a liability for me, it's more of me wanting to pew, but I know not everyone wants to and I respect that.
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verminstar
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Thats a bit black and white...some of us who play in solo do so fer many reasons, some fer the reasons you mentions and others fer reasons yer simply not aware off. Doesnt mean players are just anti social as you seem to suggest. Dont be so fast to judge that which you know very little about.
Understood.
Question: Can a person talking about someone career in-game be considered harassment?
Ex. I think piracy in game is equal to murdering in real life.
In between the lines would he be saying that all person that chose to be a pirate in game are a real life "murderer"?
Thanks for the clarifications,
o7,
Greedy.
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not gonna get into the OP, as its all been said before however this is interesting imo. Are you saying the AI is fixed now so stealth builds work against them? last time i looked stealth was only viable in PvP and not in PvE, therefore if a player is more accustomed to be up against AI, going stealth would be ineffective and chaff would be the only option really.
however if this has changed i may have to give stealth a go.
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There's is NO need to drop shields and go SR.... by spaming Heat sink you become invisible for 10 seconds
and i was not talking about NPCs.... I was talking about PvP really... when going to a CG you're more interested in evading players then NPCs... Plus, have you ever seen an NPc be agile enough to deal enough damage while submitting and boosting?
Back the harassment train up a second.
1. My entire ED career has been about getting targeted.
2. Consider this my official grievance to FDEV about being ignored as a space minority (an actual girl in a video game), including the time I was sexually harassed on my own stream and when I filed an in game player report, it was ignored, that player never received a ban, even despite the fact that I linked the VOD of them being a pig.
I play in open, my choice was to git gud or go to solo group. It should be yours too. Open is OPEN play. Deal with it kids.
Open is hardmode. Period. It's just other players providing the hardmode boss content. I don't think anyone ever opened a whine thread to other developers when they got their butts handed to them because they weren't skilled/geared/gud enough to defeat single player hardmode difficulties.
1. My entire ED career has been about getting targeted.
2. Consider this my official grievance to FDEV about being ignored as a space minority (an actual girl in a video game), including the time I was sexually harassed on my own stream and when I filed an in game player report, it was ignored, that player never received a ban, even despite the fact that I linked the VOD of them being a pig.
I play in open, my choice was to git gud or go to solo group. It should be yours too. Open is OPEN play. Deal with it kids.
Open is hardmode. Period. It's just other players providing the hardmode boss content. I don't think anyone ever opened a whine thread to other developers when they got their butts handed to them because they weren't skilled/geared/gud enough to defeat single player hardmode difficulties.
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Robert Maynard
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95% of the time the submit and boost method will work against Ai, and long as they remain potatoes.
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fair enough, thanks for the info...
to answer your question, i have been caught out a few times by the ai in open space, however for the most part you have a point.
thanks
Not that last part. I don't like combat logging as much as the next guy, but there are times where it is a necessary evil, both obsidian ant and vindicator jones have posted videos about it, saying that they understand why it is used in SOME instances. Also, consider a combat log as basically a surrender. You won that fight. The only difference is that there was no explosion on your screen. Big whoop....
The Ad Hominem attacks came when you insulted his intelligence and called him a troll, you spent a lot of characters on those. If you had left those out, your argument would have been valid. You chose to attack him instead of his argument, at least for a little bit.
I will keep your wing up offer in mind. Thank you for that.
Unfortunately some CMDRs ruin the immersion
I play in all 3 modes, depending on what I'm doing.
However, I have to admit that Open is my least preferred option because some CMDRs just spoil the whole experience. Does not happen that often but here are some examples:
90% of the people I meet in Open are OK - I have no problems with people interdicting me for proper piracy, or being fired on in CZs etc., but the other 10% are just a pain. From a simulation perspective, the NPCs are more believable than they are.
These 10% have also caused FDev to introduce new things that have a negative quality-of-life impact, such as the way that speed limits have been introduced and penalised.
I play in all 3 modes, depending on what I'm doing.
However, I have to admit that Open is my least preferred option because some CMDRs just spoil the whole experience. Does not happen that often but here are some examples:
- Too many psycho-killers (PKs) - immersion-breaking for the simulation - how would they ever afford to exist in these sort of numbers?
- Been in PvP situations where I've let the other CMDR go after getting his hull down to 40%, only to be rammed later by the same person out-of-the blue resulting in destruction of both ships, just because they have a "flattened earth policy"
- People playing games such as bouncing shieldless sidewinders off you during docking so that the station destroys you if you're above 100m/s
- People blocking the docking entrance, just to be a pain (seriously FDev, all the stations need upgrading so that they can use lethal force on ships that stay in there too long)
90% of the people I meet in Open are OK - I have no problems with people interdicting me for proper piracy, or being fired on in CZs etc., but the other 10% are just a pain. From a simulation perspective, the NPCs are more believable than they are.
These 10% have also caused FDev to introduce new things that have a negative quality-of-life impact, such as the way that speed limits have been introduced and penalised.
Combat log as a task kill event is cheating, login on the menu is not.
Anyway , cheats are not the answer to any case, and just because obsidian and VJ said their opinions this don't mean anything at all they are just another person like me and you.
Its not a surrender, A surrender is a Give up on the chats com and complying to the pirate, if it was a pirate after all...
But in the end, all comes down to the build and the use of it, if yo have a build with 0 defenses then you're mostly like to fail.
I also would like to see a real crime and punishment situation. But most of the ideas from player are to bias to the pve side that are to a point of ridiculous.
keep in mind that if you know what to do most times you'd be able to leave alive an encounter, IF YOU DO THE RIGHT CHOICES.
Careful though, it is not really true what he suggested. In a normal PvP situation your heatsink wont help you at all.
-Nah, most game have "Psycho killers" even on the NPC side. It's just natural.
-Again not that much of a immersion break, I think this is the natural reaction a Klingon would do if you let them live after a battle that you won...
- That's a real d move , but you can spot them by a mile away, just do the right stuff and exit at lower speed.
- All stations have special effects now that kills shields very fast (2.2) , the point is that the timer should go faster if this is a second/third time the guy had did it...
90% that a good number... I imagine not much game have that much nice people in their player base...
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Oh yeah? Tell me about it.... you look like a big PvPer to tell anything ...
The only thing that might have problems is if the attacker have emissive... but gankers hardly use those...
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You refuse to see that this clearly is a grey area. Also, I cited Obsidian Ant and VJ because I share their viewpoints. I don't condone it, but I understand why it happens in SOME cases (please note the emphasis on some). The reason I mentioned them is because they have a lot more experience in this game, but they came to the same conclusion I did. The point was to show that I am not the only one with this point of view. Take a little time to consider why I included something in my argument. Yes, VJ and obsidian are people, but so are you. By your logic, all arguments are invalid because they are made by people. Guess what? people make arguments, its the nature of the beast. You can't dismiss an argument simply because a person made it.
With engineers, most players don't have a shot against heavily engineered PvP ships. The only way to stand a chance is to have a heavily engineered ship of your own, and the myriad threads elsewhere on the forums clearly show the pitfalls of that route (chemical manipulators, other hard/impossible to find things). There are times where the right choices aren't enough because the other ship massively out performs your own. I have 12 insurance claims in my almost 500 hours of gameplay. Of those, 8 are due to psycho killer commanders where I simply did not have a shot. I was doing every evasive action in the book and my FSD didn't have time to cool off even though I submitted to the interdiction. There is such a thing as a no-win scenario, and if you fail to recognize that, then you need more help than any of us here can provide, because you might be suffering from a serious break from reality.
Also, I have run into a genuine pirate a total of 2 times. Both cases were rather pleasant. A combat log is a surrender. The other ship disappears from your screen right? does it really matter if there is an explosion or not? Take the win and move on with your life. If you let someone who combat logs on you (assuming you are not being a [male appendage] about it) upset you that much, then that is on you at that point. You made the choice to let someone else's decision ruin your day. You can't control what the other person will do, but you can control how you react to it.