No problem, just thougt you were trying to rattle FD's cage a little. Which is something that definitely needs doing, there continually appears to be a hiccup in their QA/storyline+galnet management processes.
So you want to know about the Formidine Rift? (Part 3)
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No problem, just thougt you were trying to rattle FD's cage a little. Which is something that definitely needs doing, there continually appears to be a hiccup in their QA/storyline+galnet management processes.
Quite the opposite - I think anyone who thought what you did was out of order is unfamiliar with how Frontier handle problems with the game.
From barnacles to the recent CG target bases bugs have plagued pretty much all of their storyline actions, and it would not have surprised me one single bit to find out the entire Rift mystery is hidden behind a bug/omission.
In fact thinking longer I remember there were meant to be clues in local news postings that turned out weren't being shown anymore making the mystery essentially unsolvable and Drew had to chase FDev to get them reinstated. I don't believe that happened and we're now stumbling at a snail's pace along an alternative route to discovery. It took extensive pushing to get this checked into and answered - if people don't know this then that's certainly not cmdr mcmillan's fault.
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I never come on here and criticize FD, but the fact is, they posted the Galnet article, in which you proclaimed you were going to search for a specific star, that is known to humanity. Not a random expedition to an unknown area of space. That is basically a confirmation that it should be there, when in fact for the purposes of the game universe, there never was a Cas A, and people should have looked at you like you had horns when you claimed you were going to find it. That is kind of sloppy, and I totally see how you could have tied your inability to find it to the rift mystery. I'm glad MB cleared it all up, and we're moving forward, but it was at the least sloppy to include your Galnet post. I think, personally that if you submit a bug report, and receive no feedback, that should be confirmation that it isn't a bug. It allows the story to move without direct intervention from FD on every little thing we stumble across. That much, the prompt response to bug reports, with the expectation that no response is an affirmation that it belongs, I think they do owe us, very much so, as customers paying their bills. I hoped a game like this would come out ever since MMO started to get popular, and as someone who's been playing since the 80s, I am rarely disappointed, but that much, they DO owe us.
Rant over. Good job Jaiotu, you elicited response in the only way you could.
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Hey, woah man, Gravity Drive isn’t speaking for all of us, not in the slightest. You’ve got my respect Jaiotu, and I appreciate all the efforts you’ve made for the Rift mystery.
Masheikh Scytale
Banned
I have just re-baptized my best ship "Cassiopeia Exp."
Respect, CMDR ! [yesnod] [yesnod] [yesnod]
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Sure but I hope you'll grant me a moment of self reflection. A lot of what Gravity said does hit home. I was too quickly frustrated by the limitations of the process of trying to unravel the mystery. I knew full well that the likelihood of Cas A being a possible solution was very low and yet, in my frustration with the process, I just kind of gave up and said, "Fine. I've hit a brick wall and I'm willing to accept that brick wall as the solution and just walk away." I'll still hopeful that January will see a new client update and we'll finally start moving toward a solution.
Once CMDR McMillan returns from the Rift I'm hoping to buy either an Anaconda or a Beluga which will be christened the "Queen Cassiopeia". The experience of searching for Cassiopeia A was, on it's own, extremely rewarding. I'm considering launching a new expedition: SNRS: the Supernova Remnant Survey. The goal of said expedition would be to determine which SNRs are actually in-game and which are not and then try and reverse engineer Frontier's thought process behind each of them. We know Cas A is missing entirely but the Crab Nebula and the Crab Pulsar both exist. Meanwhile the Pencil nebula exists but it's pulsar is AWOL. I have to wonder why? What were the decision processes behind including some things but not others?
Masheikh Scytale
Banned
"The Way is the Goal"
http://stjoseph.dioceseofaberdeen.org/download/reflections/2016-The-Way-is-the-Goal.pdfSeems to be a simple question of what star catalogues were chosen ... MB said.
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Considering that the model of our Galaxy is Elite's USP they'd do well to work it hard and improve on it.
Sure, you maybe got a bit carried away, but I absolutely agree that FD should NOT have allowed a Galnet post about a system that doesn't exist in the game universe. That's just shameful.
Personally, I figured it was an oversight from the start, but I was assuming that when FD put up the Galnet article that meant they were going to retcon the absence of Cas A into the game lore. After all, that's part of what it means to invite and include player contributions to the ED universe. Hell, maybe that's what others at FD were planning to do and Michael Brooks opened his big mouth by accident and spoiled the retcon for everyone!
Anyway, I hope this leads to some policy changes at FD with regard to story development and player contributions to Galnet.
It really does need its guts ripped out and redone. There still hasn't been anything about the third alien wreck; and in general Thursday's are really the only time anything is guaranteed to happen in this game due to the CG updates. I don't understand how there can be ANY semblance of a "story" or anything else when we go 5 days without anything new on galnet some weeks (come on, those stupid system updates seriously don't count). I read through the galnet archives and it feels like there was so much more going on in late 3300 and 3301, creeping into early 3302, since I started playing in March it has slowed down, far more so since the first Alien Wreck was discovered. It just feels like there is so much more that could be done; and in Jaitou's case, far more careful moderation of what makes it into galnet, simply to avoid what happened to Jaitou. His train of thought regarding "they didn't publish my results ergo somethings up" generally seems sound, even if i don't agree with how OTT he may of went with it (no offence, just thought it was too big a leap too soon). They don't just need better moderation of freelance reports though; I know they changed the submission policy and while i've never done it before i did peek at the old thread and read about so much more, especially the in system articles, and that's gone now, and apparently there is no/little feedback once you post your thing. Honestly it just feels like there could be so much more going on both in the galaxy at large, and with what's going on here. You would of thought with a trillion+ or whatever it is population much more would be happening at the big galactic news level. It's no fun when stuff only really happens on Thursday's. I frequently ended up saying this back when i was on the CCN and Canonn Discords that it just doesn't feel right. Maybe i'm a victim of my own imagination which would be sad, and i'm totally in the wrong, but this is something that just bothers me about the stories of this game (anyone got one of those lore guides that allegedly exists?). Might go aways to solving some of these. I totally get that there shouldn't be masses upon masses about this specific mystery so it's more of a general point, but even then we still haven;t heard anything about the two Explo cg's - well, i guess that's actually due to the IMO ridiculous fact that they added the surface poi's for discovery and they didn't check to see that they work... so I guess we wait till mid January for the patch to drop... Not even any comments outwith the "thank you for the data bla bla bla" Maybe one day i'll make a thread about it, but my brain tells me it'll just get ignored by those it's directed at and circlegerked by 90% of the forum.. Anyways that ended up longer than I planned so
TD;DR - The Galaxy only exists on Thursday's and that's no fun.
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Honestly when I read the post "solved" and the arguments my Interpretation was that the conclusion was coming from a frustrating situation (a lot efforts and FD's non reaction) or it was a post to provoke a reaction from FD or both. Facts based it was certainly not safe to declare it as solved but it was a likely possibility at that time although for me even when the confirmation had been yes the missing cas A is the mysterie it were no solution of the mysterie at all. It had just been a valid Observation the first and most important step in connection with the mysterie but still much too far away from a solved mysterie to declare it as such.
Anyway I think the post was helpful because through the definitive exclusion that the missing Cas A is the mysterie we do not have to spend thoughts about Cas A anymore and that brings us forward. And hey we can still wast hours and hours in that rift thing exploring for the tiny tiny chance to one day find something. Imagine it has been solved ... how boring.
Anyway I think the post was helpful because through the definitive exclusion that the missing Cas A is the mysterie we do not have to spend thoughts about Cas A anymore and that brings us forward. And hey we can still wast hours and hours in that rift thing exploring for the tiny tiny chance to one day find something. Imagine it has been solved ... how boring.
Cas A is behind us and the Rift is before us. Time to focus on what is actually out there and not old theories that have now been, thankfully, put to rest.
Looking forward to the next client update we know that their should be content on the surface of EAFOTS lz-h b10-0 d1 (and other locations in the Gap & Conflux). I currently parked on the surface of said planet waiting for the update in hopes of being one of the first people to see what is out there. We can assume that whatever we discover out there is going to have a mention in Drew's book, Elite: Reclamation.
I am therefore suggesting that on the day that the client goes "live", provided the content isn't still bugged, that we, the Formidine Rifters, put on a show.
Commander Finn McMillan will be on-site as a representative of the Earth Expeditionary Fleet. While EEF is technically independent I'm still charged with projecting a Federation presence and protecting Federation interests as part of my travels. If there are resources on the surface of EAFOTS lz-h b10-0 d1 I plan on claiming them for the Federation. This is a claim that I won't be able to back up with force. I set off on my current expedition without an AFMU and the wear and tear on my Asp Explorer, the Ouroboros, has gotten so bad that FSD malfunctions have become common.
I do have guns but, as a member of the Earth Expeditionary Fleet, I'm sworn not to fire upon another member of the human race unless I myself am fired upon. Basically, my claim to the site will be all bark and no bite. It does, however, open up the opportunity for a well staged encounter that would make an interesting read on Galnet News. We have an opportunity to be actors on a stage so to speak. Anyone interested?
Looking forward to the next client update we know that their should be content on the surface of EAFOTS lz-h b10-0 d1 (and other locations in the Gap & Conflux). I currently parked on the surface of said planet waiting for the update in hopes of being one of the first people to see what is out there. We can assume that whatever we discover out there is going to have a mention in Drew's book, Elite: Reclamation.
I am therefore suggesting that on the day that the client goes "live", provided the content isn't still bugged, that we, the Formidine Rifters, put on a show.
Commander Finn McMillan will be on-site as a representative of the Earth Expeditionary Fleet. While EEF is technically independent I'm still charged with projecting a Federation presence and protecting Federation interests as part of my travels. If there are resources on the surface of EAFOTS lz-h b10-0 d1 I plan on claiming them for the Federation. This is a claim that I won't be able to back up with force. I set off on my current expedition without an AFMU and the wear and tear on my Asp Explorer, the Ouroboros, has gotten so bad that FSD malfunctions have become common.
I do have guns but, as a member of the Earth Expeditionary Fleet, I'm sworn not to fire upon another member of the human race unless I myself am fired upon. Basically, my claim to the site will be all bark and no bite. It does, however, open up the opportunity for a well staged encounter that would make an interesting read on Galnet News. We have an opportunity to be actors on a stage so to speak. Anyone interested?
How about you claim the northern hemisphere for the Federation, and I'll claim the southern for the Empire. We'll discuss who is going to pay for the wall later.
Quite. The point isn't to actually divide anything up or to keep players from accessing the content. The point is to submit the lightly roleplayed encounter to Galnet to spice things up. Something fun to read sandwiched among the weekly outbreak report and the powerplay report.
EDIT: And of course we'll make the Empire pay for the wall. Duh.
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- "It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa)."
That fallacy is dangerously Canonn, especially when there are so many other discoveries and factors that could be related to what we're meant to find in the Rift. FDev may have signed off on the expedition for GalNet but that in no way inherently admits or relates what the expedition will find to the Rift's contents. Even upon finding nothing, there seemed an absence of follow-through of what steps should be taken to verify or connect the current hints, clues, or storyline to a missing stellar body in relation to the Rift mystery. The combination of Frontier not acknowledging a missing body does not inherently provide evidence for anything. Especially when there are far more fantastical celestial activities at play: Image 1, Image 2, Image 3
All this being said, your expedition itself was fantastic. Everything I managed to read or watch was of high quality and with a readability that made people, myself included, excited about the possibilities. Despite all of the above, the success of the expedition and the way you organized it has only increased my level of respect for you as a pilot, and as a person. A lot of what we have to go through, yourself included, feels like an unfair story line where man-hours and dedicated folk are critical to keeping morale up but at the cost of tremendous frustration when met with silence. Wish I was wise enough to come up with a solution for that but alas...
Don't lose hope just yet. We received answers on a topic which will provide sorely needed clarity when future discussions reference these missing celestial bodies, and that will be in thanks to you and the Cassiopeia crew.
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I had missed this part from you. Blame these old eyes of mine that took a second reading of the last three pages to notice.
The perspective of those who were frustrated with how you finalized "it" seems to stem from Argument from Ignorance, or as a tl;dr
- "It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa)."
That fallacy is dangerously Canonn, especially when there are so many other discoveries and factors that could be related to what we're meant to find in the Rift. FDev may have signed off on the expedition for GalNet but that in no way inherently admits or relates what the expedition will find to the Rift's contents. Even upon finding nothing, there seemed an absence of follow-through of what steps should be taken to verify or connect the current hints, clues, or storyline to a missing stellar body in relation to the Rift mystery. The combination of Frontier not acknowledging a missing body does not inherently provide evidence for anything. Especially when there are far more fantastical celestial activities at play: Image 1, Image 2, Image 3
They created an expedition and put it into canon for you, but never signed up for providing something of value to be discovered in the first place. Think of how many thousands of man-hours, if not dozens of thousands, have been spent on the EAFOTS mapping project. How many months have the Rifters and CoR spent collecting screenshots of the galaxy from different perspectives in the Rift, in hopes of finding oddities? Frontier should be thanked for encouraging the player activity through official means but we should be cautious to not take a mile when given an inch. A part of me says that you know all of this, perhaps internally, and used the claim of "finding it" solely to get a response from Frontier. I would understand that, but then feel like you used a community that trusted your perspective on evidence and story (though unintentionally).
All this being said, your expedition itself was fantastic. Everything I managed to read or watch was of high quality and with a readability that made people, myself included, excited about the possibilities. Despite all of the above, the success of the expedition and the way you organized it has only increased my level of respect for you as a pilot, and as a person. A lot of what we have to go through, yourself included, feels like an unfair story line where man-hours and dedicated folk are critical to keeping morale up but at the cost of tremendous frustration when met with silence. Wish I was wise enough to come up with a solution for that but alas...
Don't lose hope just yet. We received answers on a topic which will provide sorely needed clarity when future discussions reference these missing celestial bodies, and that will be in thanks to you and the Cassiopeia crew.
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I had missed this part from you. Blame these old eyes of mine that took a second reading of the last three pages to notice.
I can entirely understand that. Seeing it as a throwing up of hands and less as a declaration adds the needed clarity I was missing from your original post. Chin up, you did fantastic work and even the best hit that wall of frustration.
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Chin is certainly back up. Thanks for the kind words.
Jaiotu You have my respect mate !
Frontier & Drew dropped the ball on big time over the cg ,the rift , the CTD and your expedition . They ignored the rift thread and you had to post in another thread to get there attention ! They posted your galnet post and had a cg dealing with the rift search going over the same time frame and then forgot about it, im anoyed that they are treating the whole thing as a joke / minor issue and i dont blame anyone else for feeling the same.
I think a explantion from mb and drew would be good after all how much time has everyone lost chasing things that are bugged or dont exist .
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Frontier & Drew dropped the ball on big time over the cg ,the rift , the CTD and your expedition . They ignored the rift thread and you had to post in another thread to get there attention ! They posted your galnet post and had a cg dealing with the rift search going over the same time frame and then forgot about it, im anoyed that they are treating the whole thing as a joke / minor issue and i dont blame anyone else for feeling the same.
I think a explantion from mb and drew would be good after all how much time has everyone lost chasing things that are bugged or dont exist .
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Jaiotu You have my respect mate !
Frontier & Drew dropped the ball on big time over the cg ,the rift , the CTD and your expedition . They ignored the rift thread and you had to post in another thread to get there attention ! They posted your galnet post and had a cg dealing with the rift search going over the same time frame and then forgot about it, im anoyed that they are treating the whole thing as a joke / minor issue and i dont blame anyone else for feeling the same.
I think a explantion from mb and drew would be good after all how much time has everyone lost chasing things that are bugged or dont exist .
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I think Drew's been the driving force moving it along rather than a ball dropper (that award goes to FD). But yeah its frustrating.
The biggest problem the Rift mystery has is that after the efforts of everyone like the CoR, Jaiotu and the dozens/hundreds of independent commanders getting involved, not only in the CG but through the personal investment of time and the co-ordination and organisation of those efforts in mapping the region, reporting findings and discussing it, that whatever is actually there can only be an anti-climax. Sorry, Drew and FD - the efforts people have put into this storyline are more amazing than any content that could have been in there at launch, or even now with the extra assets like surface buildings and life etc. . If ever there was a 'quest' where it was most important to 'live the journey', then this is it.
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Sadly, it would honestly not surprise me if the mystery is either never found or that we only find it after Salome or some old lady's Cobra Mk3 transmits a message giving us the exact location and telling us what 'it' actually is and 'it' is waiting for us waving a big flag. It bugs me enormously that, in such a huge region of space, it possible that players may already have seen some of 'it' and not realised it: those may be the only people who will ever pass through those systems! So I completely understand Jaiotu's frustrations.
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As bad as it was that there was a bug preventing the progression of the storyline, it is worse that there is a fix known but which requires a client update that the developers have been unwilling to push through until completing a combat balance pass, leaving the storyline frozen for weeks. I don't want to read Premonition and find myself thinking 'this bit was a bug; that only happened because players were working around a bug/omission or waiting for a bugfix' etc. as that would not be fun, for me. I want to read an entertaining story and maybe see the effects of player activities, not technical issues with the game itself but this is a technical issue that has affected the development of the storyline, at least in the pace of its development and possibly in other unforeseen ways, e.g. if players/groups who might have contributed leave it alone and get involved in other activities. Glad I'm not the one writing it!
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My apologies if this post has come across as being unduly depressing or pessimistic. I have no wish to offend. It's just that the recent events (including certain proposed gameplay changes that I won't go into here) have left me... depressed and pessimistic. It makes me wonder if I would be happier taking a break from the storylines, or even the game itself: I play this game for the escapism and to relieve the everyday stresses of life; if playing the game my way can no longer accomplish both of those, then I need to take a step back.
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Sadly, it would honestly not surprise me if the mystery is either never found or that we only find it after Salome or some old lady's Cobra Mk3 transmits a message giving us the exact location and telling us what 'it' actually is and 'it' is waiting for us waving a big flag. It bugs me enormously that, in such a huge region of space, it possible that players may already have seen some of 'it' and not realised it: those may be the only people who will ever pass through those systems! So I completely understand Jaiotu's frustrations.
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As bad as it was that there was a bug preventing the progression of the storyline, it is worse that there is a fix known but which requires a client update that the developers have been unwilling to push through until completing a combat balance pass, leaving the storyline frozen for weeks. I don't want to read Premonition and find myself thinking 'this bit was a bug; that only happened because players were working around a bug/omission or waiting for a bugfix' etc. as that would not be fun, for me. I want to read an entertaining story and maybe see the effects of player activities, not technical issues with the game itself but this is a technical issue that has affected the development of the storyline, at least in the pace of its development and possibly in other unforeseen ways, e.g. if players/groups who might have contributed leave it alone and get involved in other activities. Glad I'm not the one writing it!
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My apologies if this post has come across as being unduly depressing or pessimistic. I have no wish to offend. It's just that the recent events (including certain proposed gameplay changes that I won't go into here) have left me... depressed and pessimistic. It makes me wonder if I would be happier taking a break from the storylines, or even the game itself: I play this game for the escapism and to relieve the everyday stresses of life; if playing the game my way can no longer accomplish both of those, then I need to take a step back.