Exactly double replica/twin of Earth found, any others so far?

And I dont mean just any "Earth-Likes" out there, but those with about same size, atmosphere, gravity, day length and so on.

What I found had just slightly less gravity than Earth (bonus on my books), otherwise everything seemed very similar:

CMDR Rovaniemi Koivula reports on behalf of New Lapland Frontiers Colony an information that might also be worth attention of Colonial Council also.
I have managed to locate almost perfect replica of Earth with just little less gravity on route between Colonia and Sol, at system PRU AESCS 0R-W D1-107 (planet 5).

It is located also very conviniently between two now existing spaceports on planets on that route, almost midway between Eagle´s Landing at Eagle Sector and Sacagawea Space Port.
Distance between those two systems is massive, and I believe it is also on both Council´s and explorers agenda to make more places to stop and rest on their long journey to Colonia and back.

Here is just one of possible such new resting places, my humble suggestion:

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There are seven parameters I think you need to watch to look for an "exact match" for Earth: mass (1.00), gravity (1.00), surface temp (288), surface pressure (1.00), volcanism (silicate magma) and atmosphere composition. I haven't included "radius" since mass, radius and surface gravity are interrelated; match up two, and the third should match automatically. The seventh parameter I'd like to add to be truly "Earth-like" is, of course, the companions of the planet, or lack thereof; Earth has a single moon, not two or more moons, not a co-orbiting planet, not a gas giant, not nothing.

Next, you'd need to look at how far from deviance you'd be prepared to tolerate before you can call it an "exact match". Is a 1% deviance adequate? 5%? You seem to have somewhat arbitrarily decided that a smaller planet with lower gravity is OK; but this planet is only 43% of Earth's mass and resultantly only 79% of the gravity. That's a pretty extreme deviation; if your brother or sister were only 43% of your mass, I doubt anyone would call the two of you "twins".

Let's compare the other stats:

Temperature: 5 degrees colder. Granted, finding "Earth-like planets" that are as nice and toasty warm as Earth is surprisingly difficult; it seems that tundra planets are far more common in this game than jungle planets. I'd really want a two degree deviation (286 to 290) or less.

Pressure: at 0.99 atmospheres, this is really the only stat that actually is a direct hit on Earth-normality. I think a 5% variation would be tolerable here.

Volcanism: your planet is pretty quiescent compared to the silicate magma volcanoes you find on Earth.

Atmosphere composition: at identical pressure, the oxygen content has to be more or less identical to ours to qualify as "Earth-like". It's that 0.5% average water vapour that's the concern; this planet is quite muggy and humid. Now, how the stellar forge treats "water" as an atmospheric component of a planet with a water hydrosphere isn't entirely realistic, but still, water is a powerful greenhouse gas; take it away and replace it with argon and this planet would be even colder.

Finally, there's no moon, captain.

I'm still pretty new at this finding Earth-likes thing, but here are the stats for the batch I last submitted to the ELW thread, with the total number of "exactly matching" parameters given for each:

System namePlanet IDEarth massesSurface gravitySurface tempSurface pressureVolcanismAtmospheric matchSingle moonNo. matching parametersScreenshot URL
SWOIPHS BK-C c2-1030.78581.002823.29Silicate magmaNoYes3http://i.imgur.com/eip7h4t.jpg
PRUA DRYOU LO-X d2-8A 61.23731.202650.64Silicate geysersNoYes1http://i.imgur.com/oMNTi3k.jpg
PRUA DRYOU GN-Q d6-8A 111.31551.232630.64NoneNoYes1http://i.imgur.com/lxxaxfq.jpg
QEAJO VE-Q d5-12B 51.04561.123164.06Silicate magmaNoNo2http://i.imgur.com/liKJApZ.jpg
PRIELEAU NW-V d2-26B 4 a0.29470.622650.65NoneNoNo0http://i.imgur.com/r9XuEsy.jpg
PRIELEAU JN-J d9-1240.46800.812760.96NoneNoNo1http://i.imgur.com/vF27CjP.jpg
BLAU AEC PH-C d350.38750.763000.93NoneNoNo0http://i.imgur.com/JznRI4A.jpg
BLAU AEC VY-V c4-1B 30.31280.702650.86NoneNoNo0http://i.imgur.com/t71efrL.jpg
BLAU AEC AA-X d2-10A 20.34750.732650.73NoneNoNo0http://i.imgur.com/VwTbNYA.jpg
BLAU AEC GR-Q c7-231.53761.312790.73Iron magmaNoNo0http://i.imgur.com/sT2cfBz.jpg
BLAU AEC DW-T d4-330.34090.723040.61NoneNoNo0http://i.imgur.com/qkm6yfS.jpg
BLU AESCS YK-P e5-6361.00661.112610.66Silicate magmaNoNo2http://i.imgur.com/VNAiygB.jpg
CLOOKIA FT-F d12-18760.40430.772630.57NoneNoNo0http://i.imgur.com/xN4pgiz.jpg
GRU HYPUE ZT-Z d62B 61.31211.232630.65Silicate geysersNoNo0http://i.imgur.com/2VrZQAp.jpg

I would conclude that my Swoiphs planet, with three matching parameters (1 earth gravity, silicate volcanoes and Moon-like moon) is a closer twin to Earth than your world, but it's still not a seven-decimal-places match.

Let's see if anyone else can do better - or maybe if I can find another in my archives, or in my next batch yet to be handed in.
 
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I don't think you should have used "Exactly" in the subject. It is a bit misleading. But nice find anyway. :)

I once found a star in the void that when I went into the system it was named Sol.
I reported it and it was renamed, toot sweet. ;)
 
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Not too bad, but one wonders exactly how "earth-like" the place is with a day that's three years long. [haha]

On re-reading the OP and on consideration, I'd agree that "length of day" would need to be another criteria you'd need to try to match to be a true "Earth Twin".
 
I just checked through over 800 of mine, and not a single one was a "perfect" twin for Earth. I had quite a few that were real close but no moon, or had the moon and the orbital/rotation periods were off. This was due to my hunting methods, and where I find them the majority of the time.
 
There are seven parameters I think you need to watch to look for an "exact match" for Earth: mass (1.00), gravity (1.00), surface temp (288), surface pressure (1.00), volcanism (silicate magma) and atmosphere composition. I haven't included "radius" since mass, radius and surface gravity are interrelated; match up two, and the third should match automatically. The seventh parameter I'd like to add to be truly "Earth-like" is, of course, the companions of the planet, or lack thereof; Earth has a single moon, not two or more moons, not a co-orbiting planet, not a gas giant, not nothing.

The problem you have here is that Earth is a curated planet, and I don't think the Forge can spit out an "exact" copy even if it wanted to. The biggest problem is the 70/30 rock/metal split that Earth has - the Forge cannot throw those numbers out, a quick scan of my own data suggests the highest for any planet is 67.5/32.5 certainly not higher than 68/32 and this affects the density which in turn means you cannot match both the radius and mass. (Actually, you can get higher than 67.5/32.5 if the planet is a moon of another object - but a) that wouldn't match criteria for being a copy of Earth and b) if it's a moon it doesn't go as low as 70/30, more like 90/10).
Another quick scan suggests a Forge-generated non-moon ELW with the same radius as Earth would be ~1.17 to ~1.2 earth masses (which would also have a knock-on effect on gravity). So you'd definitely have to allow for a deviance tolerance and I'm not even sure 5% would be enough - you might have to allow 10%, at least as far as mass/radius/gravity goes.

Still, once the "Detailed List of Earth-Likes" happens, it might be fun to come up with a way of scoring ELWs to see how close they are to Earth...

(Or maybe I'm an idiot - happy to be proved wrong! :) )
 
I'd never really noticed the disparity between Earth's handcarved 70:30 rock/metal ratio and the forge-created planets, though I had noticed even in my tiny sample size that all my Earth-mass planets were too high-G, and my Earth-G planets were too low mass. If it is in fact impossible to find any matches because of an imbalance in the Forge, then me may have to throw out either Earth-mass or Earth-gravity as a criterion. I'd suggest throwing out mass, since if you're standing on a planet, you can't tell how massive it is, but you can tell at once if the gravity is too low or too high.

There are other things that one could in theory add to the criteria for Earth-likeness, but we probably shouldn't: land/water ratio, for example, I'd be reluctant to add, since (a) it's not a specified statistic and it's hard to judge just by looking at it, especially since we usually only get a good look at the sunlit hemisphere, and (b) FD have shown a tendency to "tweak" this parameter in the past (remember all the water worlds that used to have landmasses, but now do not?) and I suspect this will be tweaked again when ELWs become landable, if not before.

Forcing a similar length of year and/or distance from the star is a bit too restrictive; given the "goldilocks zone" parameters, we'd pretty much be locking our parallel earth into having a sun that was more or less identical to Sol. I'm happy to have a different sun, and a resultant different length of year.

Axial tilt is another stat that perhaps could/should be added, as a zero-tilt planet would be rather odd and alien to live on (no seasons), as would a near-90-degree Uranus-style tilt (extreme seasons with most of the planet thrown into a months-long dark winter and a months-long perpetual-daylight summer). But, seasons on a zero-tilt planet could in theory be imitated by giving the planet a slightly eccentric orbit, so I'd be happy to discount axial tilt as a criterion. Perhaps this could be simplified into a "sensible seasons" criterion, which took into account axial tilt (plus or minus, say, 20 degrees) and orbital eccentricity.
 
Thanks for all the answers, lets start again that I were thinking "Earth 2", kinda of "Eden" (lower gravity fitted that especially), from view of people living there, not so much if statistics say planet has volcanism (that affects only few on Earth and others would rather live without if life would still survive on Earth without it), so few more thoughts:

Next, you'd need to look at how far from deviance you'd be prepared to tolerate before you can call it an "exact match". Is a 1% deviance adequate? 5%? You seem to have somewhat arbitrarily decided that a smaller planet with lower gravity is OK; but this planet is only 43% of Earth's mass and resultantly only 79% of the gravity. That's a pretty extreme deviation; if your brother or sister were only 43% of your mass, I doubt anyone would call the two of you "twins".

Let's compare the other stats:

Temperature: 5 degrees colder. Granted, finding "Earth-like planets" that are as nice and toasty warm as Earth is surprisingly difficult; it seems that tundra planets are far more common in this game than jungle planets. I'd really want a two degree deviation (286 to 290) or less.

Volcanism: your planet is pretty quiescent compared to the silicate magma volcanoes you find on Earth.

Atmosphere composition: at identical pressure, the oxygen content has to be more or less identical to ours to qualify as "Earth-like". It's that 0.5% average water vapour that's the concern; this planet is quite muggy and humid. Now, how the stellar forge treats "water" as an atmospheric component of a planet with a water hydrosphere isn't entirely realistic, but still, water is a powerful greenhouse gas; take it away and replace it with argon and this planet would be even colder.

Finally, there's no moon, captain.


I would conclude that my Swoiphs planet, with three matching parameters (1 earth gravity, silicate volcanoes and Moon-like moon) is a closer twin to Earth than your world, but it's still not a seven-decimal-places match.

Let's see if anyone else can do better - or maybe if I can find another in my archives, or in my next batch yet to be handed in.

I started with gravity, and lack of volcanism^^ (both are actually positive compared to Earth from human settlers view), so lets go to other stuff you brought up:

5 degrees lower temperature might mean something like ice age on that planets (my claim: New Finland) northern and southern parts, but it is just as warm as Earth when at just a little bit more south than on Earth, and I doubt slightly cooler Equator would really hurt :)

Water vapor is up to 2% on Earth atmosphere, so I assume 3% on this planet would not be so problematic or even visible, colder temperature of planet might affect there also, imagine it works there as a green house gas instead of Co2.
Otherwise pressure is same and atmosphere composition, only about 2% more oxygen should just make things more comfortable for people settling there.

And perhaps most important as you pointed out, moon, is actually not so important there as life and conditions on that planet have formed perfectly for humans even without it, oceans rising and lowering have not that much importance after that, unless colonials get very nostalgic about tides on shores :)

You suggested planet on Swoiphs to be much more like Earth, maybe in many ways like through gravity but I think potential settlers there would think twice about that pressure ;)


I once found a star in the void that when I went into the system it was named Sol.
I reported it and it was renamed, toot sweet. ;)

I were first to visit Sol when in Beta (or were it Alpha still?) systems close enough to it opened to be visited, flew there at 2500c speed (max speed then) from nearest opened system, just to find it were still empty :(

Not too bad, but one wonders exactly how "earth-like" the place is with a day that's three years long. [haha]

On re-reading the OP and on consideration, I'd agree that "length of day" would need to be another criteria you'd need to try to match to be a true "Earth Twin".

I think you must have noticed but on that planet year is almost 3 of our years (910 days), Rotational period (day and night) is 1.0 (same as with Earth), if I read that anyway correctly.

orbital periods are too high in these examples.

Ordinary colonist living there would not notice even if a year is 3 years there instead of 1 on Earth, more important is day lenght (and temperature, be it seasonal or not) that dictates fitting conditions for both humans and (Earth brought?) plants...
 
not so much if statistics say planet has volcanism (that affects only few on Earth and others would rather live without if life would still survive on Earth without it)

Volcanism could well have been crucial to the beginnings of life, white smokers provide the right environment for prebiotic chemistry to happen and there's a reasonable chance that's where it all got started - alternative theories are available, and the chances are we'll never know exactly how it happened on earth but volcanism is likely to have been important as that is the most likely way to have an environment with a steady input of energy and reagents to allow any prebiotic process to be sustained for long enough to get to the point of abiogenesis.

Volcanism also supplies a steady input of volatiles to offset the slow but steady bleeding of the atmosphere into space as well as being a crucial part of the carbon cycle.

Volcanism does stop eventually and an earth like world would continue to be earth like for tens, if not hundreds, of millions of years after that point and active management by colonising humans could probably extend that period indefinitely, but no volcanism is less than ideal.
 
Interesting thread! I will have to peruse my ELWs and see what I can find. I have 52 of them on record, perhaps I can find a few that match!
 
You suggested planet on Swoiphs to be much more like Earth, maybe in many ways like through gravity but I think potential settlers there would think twice about that pressure ;)
IANAB, but as far as I know, that pressure might not be too bad. As long as the body would have enough time to get used to it, it should be perfectly fine. (Internal pressure has to "build up" to that level, and the body has to get used to breathing being a bit harder work.) The most important part isn't atmospheric pressure in itself, nor the oxygen level in the atmosphere, but how the two relate to each other. I believe the partial oxygen pressure that the human body can sustain indefinitely is roughly 0.5 atm, and you can calculate that easily: multiply the oxygen percentage with the atmospheric pressure. However, ED actually already does the calculations for you: if a planet is classified as Earth-like, its atmosphere should be breathable. From what I can tell, the game actually uses pretty conservative ranges for this, so it's not just breathable, but breathable comfortably.
So I'd say that if you're looking for a close analogue to Earth, the atmosphere isn't a very large factor.

Also, I'd say that neither mass nor radius are important in themselves, to anyone living on the planet, but gravity is. You'd want that to be as close to 1g as possible. Low gravity might be better for people born on higher-g worlds, but folks who get used to the new planet's lower gravity (or are born there) will have trouble getting used to other worlds. On the other hand, construction in general would be easier on such planets. On high gravity worlds, it's the other way around: harder to get used to it, but once you do, you'd get a leg up over others on lower gravity worlds, so to speak. Construction would have to be more expensive though. There is one thing, however: we don't know very well about the effects of living on a high gravity world on the human body. Various functions depend on gravity in surprising ways, which we learned from astronauts living in microgravity (aboard space stations) for longer periods of time, and it could well be that living on higher gravity than Earth's would cause unforeseen problems too.
Of course, I'd imagine that in Elite's universe, some light genetic engineering could fix those.

Moving on to other stuff: having a rotational period as close to Earth's (23h56m) would also be very preferable for new colonists. On the other hand, the length of the year and the axial tilt pretty much only influence seasons, which are far easier to adopt to than very different day lengths. Especially considering that moving to various latitudes on the planet are also an option. I've seen plenty of ELW-s where I'm fairly certain that living near the equator would be very difficult, if nearly impossible (without environmental suits, that is), but that doesn't mean that colonists couldn't just go live at higher latitudes comfortably.


So, to sum things up, I'd say the following are the most important:
- Gravity (it's global)
- Rotational period (difficult to get used to!)

Moderately important:
- Temperature (colonists can move to different areas to find comfortable climates)
- Volcanism (not for indigenous life, since we're talking about colonists, but you'd probably want volcanic rock layers, minerals etc)
- Axial tilt (you don't need seasons per se)
- Orbital period (would mostly be noticed through the seasons anyway)

Not important:
- Other orbital parameters (eccentricity, inclination, semi-major axis, argument of periapsis)
- Surface composition
- Radius (it's nice to have a larger surface area though)
- Atmospheric pressure and composition (the Stellar Forge makes sure it's comfortably breathable)

If you wanted to have the closeness to Earth as a single numerical value that's a function of the above, then they should be weighed.
 
IANAB, but as far as I know, that pressure might not be too bad.

3.29 atmospheres should be fine. When you dive on earth the pressure increases at about 1 atmosphere per 10m, so 3.29 is equivalent to scuba diving at about 23-24m depth which is not really a problem. You can descend to that depth pretty quickly so long as you make sure to equalise as you feel the pressure growing on your inner ear. You would likely experience some symptoms of nitrogen narcosis and mental function would be impaired but not intolerably so.

The care is needed when you start to take the pressue off, diving at 24m you only get about 25 minutes before you have to start taking decompression stops during the ascent to prevent decompression sickness, after an extended period living on a planet with that atmosphere you'd want to spend a good while in a decompression chamber slowly reducing the pressure before re-entering an environment with more 'earth normal' conditions.
 
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