I must remark to this post. I went again to open yesterday after a long pause (in the other modes and away from the game). I flew for around 1 hour in my DBS before a pilot in Imperial Cutter tried to interdict me (before that I think an Anaconda was trying to get on my six). Absolutely unprovoked as I have made no enemies (not been on Open for a long time and never started a pvp-combat myself) and was non-aligned and non-wanted. But yeah. I would certainly hope for a pve mode where there would be a lot more players to interact with and I could fly all kinds of ships without being forced into these pure pvp configurations before engaging in combat.
Frontier. Please make a PVE mode to this game.
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I must remark to this post. I went again to open yesterday after a long pause (in the other modes and away from the game). I flew for around 1 hour in my DBS before a pilot in Imperial Cutter tried to interdict me (before that I think an Anaconda was trying to get on my six). Absolutely unprovoked as I have made no enemies (not been on Open for a long time and never started a pvp-combat myself) and was non-aligned and non-wanted. But yeah. I would certainly hope for a pve mode where there would be a lot more players to interact with and I could fly all kinds of ships without being forced into these pure pvp configurations before engaging in combat.
Welcome to open!
Honestly this is never going to change unless we either;
A: create the open PvE mode
B: disable ability to interdict "clean" CMDRs
C: severely punish players for attacking clean CMDRs
There is little to no reward for being a clean player. It's about time there was.
The only provokation some people need is that hollow square on the scanner that so easily and immediately distinguishes a potential 'victim' from the NPCs. As much as I am a proponent of an open PvE mode nowadays, I do still wonder what the effect would be on the 'psychopaths' if we weren't automatically so easily distinguished from NPCs. If we had a system whereby every ship looked the same initially and a murde....err, pirate, had to actually do something before they could tell whether their victim was a player......pirates should be choosing their target based on what the ship is and what it might be carrying anyway, not simply because it's a player. Having a player so immediately distinguishable simply invites preferential or biased targeting, which in turn just makes things easier for the gankers to prioritise targets.
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This is also a great idea, sadly I can't give you more rep.
You dont have many MMOs where you can hurt a PvP guild while sitting in your PvE server...
I wish there would be a Hitman group, which would hunt down notorious grievers...just like the fuelrats.. helping out other players too.
What would be even better If u could hire these people with ingame credits... ...Like hire a cmdr to avenge your death.. Even the fuelrats should be payed.
Even if a system like that is not implemented yet ... I would gladly pay with cargo a cmdr hitman or a fuelrat....they should be definately compensated.
It is not a great idea, as has been explained dozens of times. You can make a hollow object look like an NPC and I'd still know there was someone in my instance, and it wouldnt take much to pinpoint that person. Its inevitable with p2p, I can literally see your computer connect with mine if I wanted to. And if it did work there would be nothing coop left, unless you want to start chatting with all NPCs to find that one cmdr...
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Thats not the answer usually given. Feel welcome to read the previous 100+ pages.
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That may be - but we have neither PvP nor PvE servers in this game as every mode is just a filter, every player affects and experiences the single shared galaxy state and there are no Guilds either....
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Once again, as I've said at least 4 times, there's nothing a PvE server would do that isn't already being done by solo and PG.
Also there are no guilds in ED. What you've created is a group of people playing pretend with a game that doesn't support your fantasy. Eve is that way------>
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All you have to do is open chat window and it tells you if there are players nearby. Either you're far too new to take part in this debate, or you're building more strawman arguments.
Also using wire shark or similar software to IP capture players is a violation of the TOS and EULA. So no, you can't see people connect to instances. Unless you're breaking the rules.
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Alas that would not work. Doesn't matter how great the punishment, griefers are still going to grief. They don't care what happens to their in game rep or cost, they live to see a commander go pop and harvest as much salt as possible.
Hey Mike, I think you got a bit the wrong idea about our group. AEDC is not a PvP group (despite some enjoying some consensual PvP amongst ourselves, or the occasional CZ encounter). We play the BGS, as a competitive PvE system.
Apos is NOT coming from a PvP perspective, at all.
Yes, but in an instance in a system with, say, 10 potential targets, how will you know which of the 10 is a player, especially if it also meant (as it would) you couldn't see them in the contacts tab either as players until actually scanned? Even if you knew a player or players were in your instance with you, a system whereby you'd have to actually scan ships to determine friend and foe is far better not to mention logical. Unless of course you're the type that feels threatened by suddenly actually having to search for those ganking targets instead of having them handed to you on a platter as it is now. And as for coop, well the only coop that would be damaged is the rare (?) coop with strangers - you'd still be quite easily able to wing up and coop with people on your friends list, especially as I would propose the hollow square should be reserved for those your friends list. Nice try.....
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But people really really want guilds and to control space and be a big shot.... look at my rank it says 'king' etc
I would hesitate to call those people "PvE" players, they are "casual players" that don't care about anything outside of their own enjoyment of the game, and that enjoyment involves making the most credits as fast as possible. These players are also the first to get "bored," since they have no interest in depth whatsoever. These are your 5th columners, your combat loggers, and your mindless pewpewers.
Sure, they are customers nevertheless, but I would not call these customers beneficial to the game other than the money they tossed at FD. Sometimes their destructive feedback do more harm than their entry tickets can compensate for.
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Dear lord, the vulture's are still circling this carcass?
Bottom line is PVE only mode would be bad for the game. It would fracture the game further. Möbius would not simply fold into this mode, since PvP is allowed in some instances like CZs, therefore it would be a +1 sum in the mode department. This is a terrible idea. PvE and PvP have survived well together in Open since the beginning. I'm with The Code and have pirated and killed hundreds if not thousands of CMDRs, but I've also: winged up with Harmless noobs in sideys and gotten them in a Viper or Cobra in a couple of hours, bounty hunted in a wing of random CMDRs for the pure joy of it, explored, been saved by the fuel rats twice (thanks guys!) and had countless other positive experiences in Open.
Fdev, don't listen to the "Protective Ursidae" please!! This would only harm the game!
Fdev, don't listen to the "Protective Ursidae" please!! This would only harm the game!
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Even that can be read as a bit of a generalisation though if one's not careful. I'm a casual player - I have work plus other games to play etc. Yet I've not 5th columned, combat logged nor mindlessly pew-pewed. Nor am I interested in simply making the most credits in as quick a time as possible. What we can be certain of though is that a significant percentage of the playerbase are not interested in playing with jerks, however rare it may be that enountering such jerks in the current open may be, or be made to be moving forward. Even effective punishment won't remove that element, as we all know. That's the drive behind some wanting an open PvE mode - not a wish to simply avoid PvP per se (although some do want that, to be fair), but for many like myself it is a wish to simply be able to avoid having to share open with jerks of any persuasion, be they PvP, PvE or other. In this case, it would avoid that element of the community who think pure player killing for lolz is what open is all about, for example. Without having to resort to using a private group that has now required splitting the open PvE demographic into 3, and likely more moving forward, and so exceeding the demand private groups were intended for.
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You do realise that many of the players who would use open PvE have already left the current open? And that many of those remaining who would leave open for an open PvE are players many PvPers say shouldn't be in open anyway if they want no non-consensual PvP? The community is already fractured - and who do you think is to blame for that? <nods head towards the ganking/griefing onlookers>
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Note that I put "casual players" in quotation mark to not be confused with casual players. Casual players at the very least have common sense and courtesy for other players and respect for the game.
I wouldn't say that the community is fractured solely because of griefers and gankers. Although many people have moved to Solo or Mobius because of such people, I think it's safe to say that the majority or people in Solo and Mobius are there because those options provide an experience more amenable to their desires in terms of gameplay than Open does. Hence why, while a C&P update is imperative and long overdue, I don't think it really increase the size of Open's player base or bring about more community cohesion. Open PvE though may well improve the cohesion of the player base because it it's likely to appeal to many players in both Open, Mobius, and Solo. Hence why I think that the notion that it will fracture the community is erroneous. It may well reduce the population of Open PvP, but ultimately if it leads to more players playing in one mode the the community becomes less fractured, not more.