Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

[who?]

Hmm, working theory:

Every obelisk you scan yields one or two pieces of data.
Every obelisk is unlocked by one or two 'artefact' items.

There are 5 distinct pieces of data (alpha, beta, gamma, delta, epsilon)
There are 5 distinct artefacts (tablet, urn, casket, orb, totem - discounting the relic as it looks and is positioned differently)

Maybe the scan results of an obelisk are a hint of which cargo items to use to unlock that obelisk? If people take screenshots of successful scans, can they check to see if the above theory matches up?

I did find an obelisk unlocked with just a casket yielded a scan of Epsilon, so perhaps that could be one mapping.

 

[Stryder295]

Phew, finally caught up with the thread. As I was reading through everything a thought occured to me regarding people getting the same data from different obelisk. If you remember back when we first found the site and started scanning the obelisk we found 5 different data types. Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta and Epsilon. They were even listed as: Alpha = Ancient Biological Data, Beta = Ancient Cultural Data, Delta = Ancient Language Data, Epsilon = Ancient Technological Data, and Gamma = Ancient Historical Data.

Even back then we had the thought that certain data might be related to specific obelisk. We went about trying to map the data back then just like we are now, and found that the data the obelisk would give was completely random. I spotted this bit of data as I was reading through the thread trying to catch up.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...9-The-Canonn?p=4991317&viewfull=1#post4991317

Xonic posted the Ancient Language data 8/21 here's a link to the imgur photo. (http://imgur.com/a/MkfS7)

If you notice Ram Tah specifically says this a delta pattern data. Which matches up with what we discovered before this all kicked off. Delta data from before = Ancient Language Data. So this to me means that which data each obelisk has is most likely random just like it was before this mission started. I could be wrong of course, and FD could have changed it from how it was before, but with all of the conflicting reports of who is getting what data where it seems likely that the data at least may be random. That doesn't mean the combo's of items are random but from what I have read that may also be the case.

Also something else to note is that there are most likely 5 data sets to complete, and most likely 100 different scans to complete them all. It appears they are something around 20 scans each. A few with 21 scans and a few with less then 21. I also noted that we have not apparently found any Beta (Cultural) data yet.

Well that's my musings at the moment.
Fly safe cmdr's and good luck. o7

 

[Tez613]

i just noticed something. in solo mode certain obelisks would light up and could be relied on to go to every time. but when i went into open on accident different obelisks would instead. Dont know if this will help.

 

[who?]

Phew, finally caught up with the thread. As I was reading through everything a thought occured to me regarding people getting the same data from different obelisk. If you remember back when we first found the site and started scanning the obelisk we found 5 different data types. Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta and Epsilon. They were even listed as: Alpha = Ancient Biological Data, Beta = Ancient Cultural Data, Delta = Ancient Language Data, Epsilon = Ancient Technological Data, and Gamma = Ancient Historical Data.

That's very interesting!

Because there also may be a correlation between the Ram Tah data type and the object used to unlock them:

Orb = Technological data
Casket = Historical data
Tablet = Language data
Urn = Biological data
etc.

 

[Stryder295]

Very interesting pattern there?

Orb - Technological Data
Casket - Historical Data
Tablet - Language Data
Urn - Biological Data

I have a feeling that if an Obelisk requires (say) Orb, then it'll succeed if you have an Orb and something else. That's probably what's confusing things, someone has Orb & Urn, another has Relic & Orb; but they both succeeded since they both had an Orb.

Hmm, working theory:

Every obelisk you scan yields one or two pieces of data.
Every obelisk is unlocked by one or two 'artefact' items.

There are 5 distinct pieces of data (alpha, beta, gamma, delta, epsilon)
There are 5 distinct artefacts (tablet, urn, casket, orb, totem - discounting the relic as it looks and is positioned differently)

Maybe the scan results of an obelisk are a hint of which cargo items to use to unlock that obelisk? If people take screenshots of successful scans, can they check to see if the above theory matches up?

I did find an obelisk unlocked with just a casket yielded a scan of Epsilon, so perhaps that could be one mapping.

I think you've nailed it there and it makes perfect sense that way.

Orb - Technological Data (Epsilon)
Casket - Historical Data (Gamma)
Tablet - Language Data (Delta)
Urn - Biological Data (Alpha)
Totem - Cultural Data (Beta)

 

[programad]

I disabled the wave scanner and some obelisks emit a sound very similar to the giant space flower some have met. You know, that terrifying sound.

 

[turkwinif]

I'm hopping from obelisk to obelisk with all different combinations of ancient items, and I've noticed that some obelisks simply won't give a message, while the one before and after do. I've got a feeling that I either already have the data or that it's not being received for some reason (connection has improved significantly and only get disconnected maybe once every 7 minutes).

 

[who?]

I think you've nailed it there and it makes perfect sense that way.

Orb - Technological Data (Epsilon)
Casket - Historical Data (Gamma)
Tablet - Language Data (Delta)
Urn - Biological Data (Alpha)
Totem - Cultural Data (Beta)

I'm not sure it helps though. When you scan an obelisk it goes inactive. Even if you can use the scan data received to tell you what were the correct artefacts to unlock it, you can't scan it again. If you relog, it should become active again, but I don't know if the data/unlock artefacts remain the same after the relog.

If the data for each obelisk does stay the same after relogging, at least that means we'd have a way of 'decoding' future sites, without having to brute-force it.

 

[Bit.Slade]

I'm hopping from obelisk to obelisk with all different combinations of ancient items, and I've noticed that some obelisks simply won't give a message, while the one before and after do. I've got a feeling that I either already have the data or that it's not being received for some reason (connection has improved significantly and only get disconnected maybe once every 7 minutes).

This happened to me a lot and even after relogging multiple times I never got any data or I would get double data on the next scan.

 

[Stryder295]

I'm not sure it helps though. When you scan an obelisk it goes inactive. Even if you can use the scan data received to tell you what were the correct artefacts to unlock it, you can't scan it again. If you relog, it should become active again, but I don't know if the data/unlock artefacts remain the same after the relog.

If the data for each obelisk does stay the same after relogging, at least that means we'd have a way of 'decoding' future sites, without having to brute-force it.

True, and as I stated before from what people have been reporting, it seems that the data given by any particular obelisk may in fact be random. How it might help though is that if people keep track of what they have unlocked already then it will be easier for them to unlock only the data they need by only using the item that unlock that data.

Also another thought just occured to me. If we are correct in this regard that may actually help us determine how many other sites there are. I mean if for example the Tablet corresponds to Language data then how much data could you possibly get from one site. There is only 6 possible combo's with the tablet, and that is only if having the tablet twice counts. So seeing as there are 21 pieces of data, divided by 6, that means there would have to be at least 4 sites. This is still all conjecture but if you think about the items and their descriptions and you think about the 5 different data types and their description it all makes sense.

 

[VeNoM56k]

The Obelisks sound different from one another. Perhaps the sound it emits is a clue as to what relic(s) you need.

 

[who?]

True, and as I stated before from what people have been reporting, it seems that the data given by any particular obelisk may in fact be random. How it might help though is that if people keep track of what they have unlocked already then it will be easier for them to unlock only the data they need by only using the item that unlock that data.

Out of curiosity, I just tried sitting at an Obelisk and repeatedly scanning, leaving the instance, and scanning again. And the data-patterns change. Which - if we're right about the data pattern <-> unlock artefact <-> ancient data correlation, means the items to unlock the obelisks would change too. So unless there's a way of resetting the obelisks without leaving the instance, it doesn't help you unlock them.

 

[mrPaperRoman]

Here are my results so far, maybe it will help someone. Had to adjust obelisk numbering to match the map from the first page.

Note: Scanned on XBOX in Solo play.

 

[who?]

Here are my results so far, maybe it will help someone. Had to adjust obelisk numbering to match the map from the first page.

Note: Scanned on XBOX in Solo play.

http://i.imgur.com/lUdFK6h.jpg

Thanks for posting those.

The one oddity is for Obelisk 3, you unlocked Technological data without any Orb; in all the other data I'd seen you needed an Orb to unlock Tech data.

 

[Lacrimosa]

So from technological data it appears that they are more or less on the same level as us, just took a bit different path, am I right ?

 

[programad]

I'll sleep.

Tomorrow I'll draw a diagram of the ancient ruins. Unless someone already have made it.

O7

 

[Stryder295]

Thanks for posting those.

The one oddity is for Obelisk 3, you unlocked Technological data without any Orb; in all the other data I'd seen you needed an Orb to unlock Tech data.

Yeah I spotted that as well. I wonder if like usual there are bugs that are popping up with this. Although I gotta say for the most part the data seems pretty consistent with what we came up with. I am slowly going back through all of the post to try and find all the ones that ppl posted the data and the items used to see if they match up. So far they have all matched up with what we think.

 

[guilhermehnog]

Decoded a bilogical 9/19 with casket+Urn, with a single delta pattern, on obelisk 8 or 9, then found another single delta and nothing happend.

 

[mrPaperRoman]

Thanks for posting those.

The one oddity is for Obelisk 3, you unlocked Technological data without any Orb; in all the other data I'd seen you needed an Orb to unlock Tech data.

No problem, eventually gonna update them tomorrow. I was thinking the same when u came up with the data type/artefact type relation theory. Will try to replicate it again tomorrow and see what happens.

 

[Stryder295]

Decoded a bilogical 9/19 with casket+Urn, with a single delta pattern, on obelisk 8 or 9, then found another single delta and nothing happend.

Hmm, delta should be language not biological. Although the Urn still holds up as being biological. I haven't even had a chance to play. Just curious how you know it was delta data.