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Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn
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I think the patterns that we scan are brain waves patterns:
http://hubpages.com/education/What-...eta-brain-waves-What-is-brainwave-entrainment
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Do you have an ETA?
http://hubpages.com/education/What-...eta-brain-waves-What-is-brainwave-entrainment
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Do you have an ETA?
Okay so two things.
1. @rizal72, Can we add something on the FP regarding the mechanical looking piece inside the US' cockpit?
It's the standard human pilot seat, someone posted on reddit after extracting the model and found that out.
It's either a simple placeholder to prevent actual spoilers because of people like that, or FDev probably simply forgot to delete/hide the seat after using a group of assets that includes a pilot AI to a ship.
There are still people hung over trying to figure out what it is despite a few people's attempts to let them know.
2. After going through the ruins myself focusing on each artefacts one by one, I only decoded 3 data centers:
So, yeah, we do keep getting different results.
1. @rizal72, Can we add something on the FP regarding the mechanical looking piece inside the US' cockpit?
It's the standard human pilot seat, someone posted on reddit after extracting the model and found that out.
It's either a simple placeholder to prevent actual spoilers because of people like that, or FDev probably simply forgot to delete/hide the seat after using a group of assets that includes a pilot AI to a ship.
There are still people hung over trying to figure out what it is despite a few people's attempts to let them know.
2. After going through the ruins myself focusing on each artefacts one by one, I only decoded 3 data centers:
- Casket 8/21 (obelisk 2)
- Orb 7/20 (obelisk 14)
- Tablet 8/21 (obelisk 11)
So, yeah, we do keep getting different results.
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Howdy gang, good to see some of ya'll again in here. Just grabbed the Ram Tah mission from Meene and am taking a buddy over to the ruins once he gets it as well. It'll be first time for him. What's the current status so far on this objective? And, is there some speculation on where other ancient ruins' sites might be? I'd be down for doing another surface survey of any moons in a system if one's suggested.
Also, are there folks in here currently running in the Mobius private group?
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Also, are there folks in here currently running in the Mobius private group?
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Yeah, the data an obelisk holds is random every time. I am trying to test if the groups of obelisks contain a set of data that it pulls from whenever one gets activated. That would mean the randomness would be lessened a bit. I am compiling a spreadsheet atm, then I will relog and try the combos i have on my SS in the areas. Hopefully something comes from it.
I am in Mobius.
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I found out something specific about the ancient items and how they relate to the obelisks this evening.
First of all I went through all 27 permutations of items you can carry in the SRV and scanned all 15 active obelisks, recording the response on a grid.
Then I double checked it (yeah, I really did the circuit 54 times in 2 evenings!).
I'm broadly finding my results are similar to others, however because of the way I've got my permutations listed I noticed a pattern in the data.
I was recording where I scanned a Guardian data packet, whether I got a message of failure from Ram Tah, or no message at all. (Any mistakes in the sheet aren't intentional)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/157Dsf2Db_XD3_vvpkaO0Z0m1wMzU-Dx79yfxohHlbXM/edit?usp=sharing
And that was when it jumped out at me that 4 of the 6 items "unlock" a group of obelisks so that they don't report a failed scan attempt.
A big jump out is that Relic with Totem doesn't work on ANY of the 15 obelisks that we know are active.
First of all I went through all 27 permutations of items you can carry in the SRV and scanned all 15 active obelisks, recording the response on a grid.
Then I double checked it (yeah, I really did the circuit 54 times in 2 evenings!).
I'm broadly finding my results are similar to others, however because of the way I've got my permutations listed I noticed a pattern in the data.
I was recording where I scanned a Guardian data packet, whether I got a message of failure from Ram Tah, or no message at all. (Any mistakes in the sheet aren't intentional)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/157Dsf2Db_XD3_vvpkaO0Z0m1wMzU-Dx79yfxohHlbXM/edit?usp=sharing
And that was when it jumped out at me that 4 of the 6 items "unlock" a group of obelisks so that they don't report a failed scan attempt.
A big jump out is that Relic with Totem doesn't work on ANY of the 15 obelisks that we know are active.
So this almost certainly won't help anyone else, but I have a device with an eInk screen ("eCarta" actually) which can stay turned on with no battery loss with screen on versus screen off (since it's not using any power to maintain the screen itself as long as the image isn't changing.) Almost all of these are still grayscale right now (color is possible -- I own a Pebble Time which uses an always on color screen of this same type that can go around almost a week between charges since the screen requires almost no power to actually maintain -- but I don't really know of any large screen ones with color and they'd still have a very limited range anyway,) mine included, so I made a modified version of this in grayscale and filtered (a bunch of filters really, but also cropped since they also tend to be low resolution) a bit to make it hopefully a little easier to see. Anyway, I'll just put it here in case it is of any use to anyone at all. (I can't upload here because in the interest in keeping it minimal I made it palette based and apparently the uploader here doesn't follow official PNG specifications and makes assumptions such as that it is not palette based or something, insisting that it is not a valid image even though it is 100% standard according to specifications. Something the site maintainers should work on IMO.) Probably won't be useful to anyone, but, there you go.
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I think I know the Pattern.
We know for example that bio is urn and alpha Pattern and culture is totem and beta And so on. Whenbyou you scan the obelisks with the wrong combo, it tells you "oh, I have beta And gamma patterns, so this means you haver to scan that obelisk with totem and casket. And so on.
What you guys think?
We know for example that bio is urn and alpha Pattern and culture is totem and beta And so on. Whenbyou you scan the obelisks with the wrong combo, it tells you "oh, I have beta And gamma patterns, so this means you haver to scan that obelisk with totem and casket. And so on.
What you guys think?
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I whould like to know WHY in solo obelisks are static whilst in PG or OPEN they are dynamic... It's a bug or it's intended/dependant on mechanics?
Michael?
I have a theory about that.
In solo it is only you scanning the obelisks and trying out combinations, but in Mobius and Open there are lots of commanders doing so at various times and in various ways. I think people are doing things to trigger the other obelisks by accident and probably not even realizing it. Which means it should be possible to do it in solo too, if only we knew how exactly to activate the additional obelisks. There probably is a repeatable way to do it, we just haven't figured it out yet. Maybe this is what the beacons purpose it?
Its funny you should mention Brain Waves..
Do the Obelisks give off any of these signals in their Sound Spectrograms, possibly a combination of both for those that require 2 Relics?
Although each Obelisk plays the same or Similar tune it might differ slightly.
Each of the Waves have their own Frequency so possibly could be hidden in the Sound and filtered out.
You would probably be looking for a Constant Signal in any 2 of the 5 Ranges in the Picture above.
Edit: on second thought the range is quite Low. prolly too small to notice anything.
Although each Obelisk plays the same or Similar tune it might differ slightly.
Each of the Waves have their own Frequency so possibly could be hidden in the Sound and filtered out.
You would probably be looking for a Constant Signal in any 2 of the 5 Ranges in the Picture above.
Edit: on second thought the range is quite Low. prolly too small to notice anything.
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OK, so something strange happened to me. I've scanned every one of the "original" 15 obelisks with every combination of two artifacts, except for duplicates, as well as with every single artifact. I collected 13 data points from those scans:
Historical 8, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15
Language 8, 12, 14
Biological 7, 9
Technology 7, 10
I believe these are the same ones that have already been found by several CMDRs. I've been making a spreadsheet myself and it appears to be consistent with CMDR Berzergker's spreadsheet, with some differences in the combinations used. I cannot say with 100% certainty that my spreadsheet is correct because of delayed/disappearing messages, but I think I have been able to account for all of those by also checking increase in the payouts.
HOWEVER, I was just returning to the site after a CMDR was nice enough to blow my SRV up due to some heated discussion, and while in Orbital Cruise I received a mission update with Decrypted Data Historical 9/21. I have no idea what obelisk it corresponds to, and the last set of scans I did was with two Caskets in my hold.
Edit "This data contains details on the weaponry the Guardians developed during the various conflicts that swept over their civilisation..."
Historical 8, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15
Language 8, 12, 14
Biological 7, 9
Technology 7, 10
I believe these are the same ones that have already been found by several CMDRs. I've been making a spreadsheet myself and it appears to be consistent with CMDR Berzergker's spreadsheet, with some differences in the combinations used. I cannot say with 100% certainty that my spreadsheet is correct because of delayed/disappearing messages, but I think I have been able to account for all of those by also checking increase in the payouts.
HOWEVER, I was just returning to the site after a CMDR was nice enough to blow my SRV up due to some heated discussion, and while in Orbital Cruise I received a mission update with Decrypted Data Historical 9/21. I have no idea what obelisk it corresponds to, and the last set of scans I did was with two Caskets in my hold.
Edit "This data contains details on the weaponry the Guardians developed during the various conflicts that swept over their civilisation..."
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Servers have been lagging since yesterday. They are borked. I am getting them every few minutes from scans I did an hour ago. Only way to keep track of successful scans is to check the bonus mission reward after every scan. If it goes up a million, it was successful.
After reading lots of pages of the alien ruins i¡ve reach a theory... i think (maybe someone has said this but I am saying it just in case)
I remember when i was there and only 1 obelisk per group turns on, and now there are more obelisks in the same group that turns on.
Well, up to this point i am not saying anything new but here is my theory:
Maybe when we are doing this combinations (relic + orb, etc etc...) we are unlocking something that turns on new obelisks and the objective is to turn on every obelisk? or turn them on in a specific order? And Ram Tan's quest is only a way that Frontier says to us that we didn't do all that we can on the ruins?
Well that's it, waiting for your responses [wink]
(maybe someone has said this but I am saying it just in case)I remember when i was there and only 1 obelisk per group turns on, and now there are more obelisks in the same group that turns on.
Well, up to this point i am not saying anything new but here is my theory:
Maybe when we are doing this combinations (relic + orb, etc etc...) we are unlocking something that turns on new obelisks and the objective is to turn on every obelisk? or turn them on in a specific order? And Ram Tan's quest is only a way that Frontier says to us that we didn't do all that we can on the ruins?
Well that's it, waiting for your responses [wink]
I think I sorta decoded it, but you probably already know this, but I did not have the patience to read this gigantic thread to know if you know:
I think the nature of the data has nothing to do with the decoding. Every "relic" (casket, urn, orb, tablet and totem) correspond to a signal (Alpha, Beta, Delta, Epsilon, Gama)
Some obelisks require only one relic, so I would use them to discover which signal a relic correspond. When you scan them, the type of signal appears in the top right message in the data type acquired.
I will not post which correspond to which, because the game started to crash. Only think I think is that the casket and the urn are either Delta or Epsilon.
Regards,
Dr. StarLordFoo
I think the nature of the data has nothing to do with the decoding. Every "relic" (casket, urn, orb, tablet and totem) correspond to a signal (Alpha, Beta, Delta, Epsilon, Gama)
Some obelisks require only one relic, so I would use them to discover which signal a relic correspond. When you scan them, the type of signal appears in the top right message in the data type acquired.
I will not post which correspond to which, because the game started to crash. Only think I think is that the casket and the urn are either Delta or Epsilon.
Regards,
Dr. StarLordFoo
The ones I've seen in and around the system, plus parked up on planets, have been lawless, I first thought Empire or Federation were moving in to secure the system.
Stupid question, which would probably be impossible to answer but I'll try anyway...
Do the correct combinations change for the same CMDR?
Let's say I scan obelisk 3 with a casket and decode the data it contains, if I log out and back in, will obelisk 3 still correspond to the same data and same relic (casket in this case), or will it be shuffled to something else?
Do the correct combinations change for the same CMDR?
Let's say I scan obelisk 3 with a casket and decode the data it contains, if I log out and back in, will obelisk 3 still correspond to the same data and same relic (casket in this case), or will it be shuffled to something else?
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