Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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danteuk

danteuk
nico-izo said:
So why exactly ancient civilization should encode sequences with two-items keys, only because of some civilization in the future, that could not fit three or more in the cargo bay?
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Why have a futuristic space ship that doesn't even have a sat nav! ( ie can't type in long/lat of ruins and have the ship place a marker for you to fly to )

I spent another 3 hours in solo trying stuff, got to the normal point of all obelisks disabled, tried lots of things with the relics and got nothing.

Hoped in Mobius PVE for 15mins and just sat in my ship with all items my hold and got another datascan, I'm now on 25M ( 12M from my hard work and 13M from sitting doing nothing in a PG )

Seriously, it's a broken puzzle.

Fdev need to to step into the ring and confirm if the 'puzzle' can be solved in Solo.
I've certainly spend many hours now trying stuff and can not be bothered to do any more until someone can confirm it's possible.
I'm not asking for clues, just a simple Boolean answer - is it possible in Solo to complete the mission and get the bonus ( ie get more than 13 datascans ) ?
 
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Nighteyes

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I've had enough. I'm getting sick of being booted to the main menu after not being able to "connect to the adjudication server". Whatever the bloody hell that means. I'm going to cash in the 10m, and then go do something that doesn't (hopefully) boot me to the main menu.
 

Tokyto

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Hi Guys,

I was writing down the direction the active obelisks are facing. I accidentally clipped the camera into the ground when I was at the obelisk on the main circle, when I was trying to align my SRV with the obelisk to make sure I had the correct angle.
Suddenly, I saw a small black object far away in front of the light of the sun. First I was thinking it was a python flying around the planet... but then another one appeared and it was moving ??

Not much later, I discovered a total of 3 small black objects, consisting out of triangles. There are aligned in a circle, 120° between each other. There is also a 4th black object, moving in a circle between the other objects.
It appears the moving object takes 4 seconds exactly between 2 objects, and takes exactly 12 seconds to complete the circle.

I made a short video on what I saw. Don't know if it is even remotely related to the alien ruins puzzle, but I thought it was very peculiar that the devs have put these objects right below the surface. Maybe it is related to some timer or something that can be used to discover a way to activate the other obelisks.

Going to investigate this further, since I find it very interesting. Will let you know if I find any correlation between the objects and the ruins.


[video=youtube_share;r0645Dwmv0w]https://youtu.be/r0645Dwmv0w[/video]
 

Daedalus_Dash

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Hey GingerHuntsman, great spreadsheet. I got Tech data (I can't remember which number right now, i'll get back to you on that) with just an Orb at obelisk 14/E1 (depending on which map you're looking at). I haven't seen it on any of the other spreadsheets yet either, I just wanted to report it to you and to this forum before I forget it.

I'll add all my finds to the spreadsheets when I get back from work when I can check my notes. o7

--update--

This was in PG in a wing with another CMDR, not in Solo as you requested..
 
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VeNoM56k

VeNoM56k
Tokyto said:
Hi Guys,

I was writing down the direction the active obelisks are facing. I accidentally clipped the camera into the ground when I was at the obelisk on the main circle, when I was trying to align my SRV with the obelisk to make sure I had the correct angle.
Suddenly, I saw a small black object far away in front of the light of the sun. First I was thinking it was a python flying around the planet... but then another one appeared and it was moving ??

Not much later, I discovered a total of 3 small black objects, consisting out of triangles. There are aligned in a circle, 120° between each other. There is also a 4th black object, moving in a circle between the other objects.
It appears the moving object takes 4 seconds exactly between 2 objects, and takes exactly 12 seconds to complete the circle.

I made a short video on what I saw. Don't know if it is even remotely related to the alien ruins puzzle, but I thought it was very peculiar that the devs have put these objects right below the surface. Maybe it is related to some timer or something that can be used to discover a way to activate the other obelisks.

Going to investigate this further, since I find it very interesting. Will let you know if I find any correlation between the objects and the ruins.


https://youtu.be/r0645Dwmv0w
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They are under each of the ancient relics. The center piece that circles the others is frozen until the relic is raised from the ground, once it is raised it begins to spin in a circle inside the other 3 pieces. Have looked into it loads already. My guess is it is just something under the hood that relates to the relics rising, development wise.
 

Andy Young

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http://imgur.com/sDPMs48
in the mission description he says ''Please explore as many ancient sites as you can find''

so.. there must be more i guess .... and in the first site must be key how to find other sites..what do you think guys ?
 
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casastevo

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Tokyto said:
Going to investigate this further, since I find it very interesting. Will let you know if I find any correlation between the objects and the ruins.
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That does seem oddly similar to some sort of timer. And their placement can't be a coincidence, but this is something we weren't supposed to see. Maybe if we can find other objects at the ruins which have a 4 or 12 second repeat sequence?

Obelisk pulsing, perhaps? Or perhaps something to do with the three glyphs on each obelisk?
 
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tatjam

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I am searching for stars similar to the one in Merope and the one in this site. I hope FDev does something to simplify finding of this stuff (Spawn ruins pretty much everywhere on a planet, but after one is found remove all the others).

EDIT: I doubt they have to use objects to time events (they have full access to their code). Really interesting that is below the ruins
EDIT2: Are there any spinning parts on the ruins? Maybe these are used to determine the location of the player. Timing something vs the spinning thing?
 
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QorbeQ

QorbeQ
Deedrix said:
Just noticed something crazy.

Edited the lighting to show clarity:
http://i.imgur.com/ObsYebF.png
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This is absolutely my favourite theory on a secondary ruins location. Is the moon in the same orientation every time it passes through the "gun sight"?

Could someone at the ruins do me a massive favour please? I didn't think to do this before I relocated, but could someone snap overhead images of the ruins from different altitudes please so that I know vaguely what the structures look like from various heights when poring over the surface of the moon.

I'm currently parked at the red dot if anyone has any bright ideas on where to hunt.

7JVUOt8.png
 

casastevo

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When the relic structure/tower rises it does rotate on it's way up, so I'm with you. Some sort of developer item left behind during the object construction perhaps.
 

nico-izo

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Well, it's just a matter of a simple experiment. Two dudes with something undiscovered should try to scan obelisk with confirmed tech in open, but unreproducible in solo. At least three-items combinations.

I'm not saying that that must be true, just saying that it should be considered before something even more challenging like dependency on phase of moon or whatever.
 

Daedalus_Dash

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Deedrix said:
Did anyone else figure out what was the stepping stones to obtaining the location of the current ruins?

We essentially skipped a few steps when the content was released and a commander used the stars in the sky to locate the ruin instead of the intended way FD wanted.
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Bumping this
 

casastevo

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Can someone please post a picture of the ruins map with all four relics raised? I'm curious if they can triangulate another location near the ruins.
 

Commanjo

Commanjo
Olivia Vespera said:
I think I have theory that seems to fit the ruins especially around cluster G.

If you look from Cluster A, the top central turret, you will be able to see three notable features. California Nebula, Andromeda Galaxy and Pleiades Nebula.

http://i.imgur.com/g6K6xJv.jpg source by CMDR Nachoman

I hypothesize that the weird angular feature around where cluster G is represents distance and angle between the Synuefe ruins and the two nebulae.

I have calculated the angle using vector math here: sheet which gave me an angle of, 19.45º degrees between Pleiades and California Nebula from Synuefe Ruins.

And have looks at the physical angle of the feature in game here and found an angle within a margin or error of 19.5º:
http://i.imgur.com/Y5B8RBd.png

Please check my work, but if nothing else, ladies and gentlemen, I believe this may be an anchor that could tell us what the other line means.

It may point to their home system. I am not confident that this is the solution but I am interested in hearing thoughts.


I would also like to point out that these ruins are very likely to always see the same sky because it has an axial tilt of -94.91º

This coupled with the ruins latitude of 128.9, tells us that the ruins are within 24.89º from the poles.

In order to add weight to this , i'd like to hypothesis that the line length between the two should be proportional to the distances from both the nebula to the Synuefe Ruins.
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Nice work! I tried looking at some of the earthworks alignments back in December, but missed that angle as a possible clue. I had settled on the big line extending out of the large pad as the most likely directional vector, if we can determine the proper time in the week-long rotation to follow it. And the overall layout looks like a stylized map for a binary star system. There was enough ambiguity that I decided to wait and see if the Ram Tah mission results gave us more to work with.

So far the Culture #12 entry seems to confirm the assumption that the ruins layout is meaningful, and we should keep looking for clues to other sites in the Monolith Network.
 

Codger

Codger
nico-izo said:
Sorry if my question was already answered here, but why everyone so sure about two-items combinations? It was answered somewhere by the devs or something? Why not three or four?
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In his message when a scan fails, Ram Tah says it takes 1 or 2 items. That's why.
 

Deedrix

Deedrix
QorbeQ said:
This is absolutely my favourite theory on a secondary ruins location. Is the moon in the same orientation every time it passes through the "gun sight"?

Could someone at the ruins do me a massive favour please? I didn't think to do this before I relocated, but could someone snap overhead images of the ruins from different altitudes please so that I know vaguely what the structures look like from various heights when poring over the surface of the moon.

I'm currently parked at the red dot if anyone has any bright ideas on where to hunt.

http://i.imgur.com/7JVUOt8.png
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Yes, I saw it the first time and was scrambling to get the screenshot. Passed before I could grab it and then I had to wait a few more hours before it came through again. It was in the exact same spot both times. What makes this highly unlikely to be coincidental is the the moon comes down at a 45° angle into the "sights".

Also added you commander. I'm also parked in the same area you are.
 
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Commanjo

Commanjo
Clanga said:
I'm asking this as I noticed this only today. Is there a reason why sometimes the obelisks pulse differently? Sometimes the light from the obelisk barely dims and is mostly bright and active. However, some obelisks seem to pulse rather rapidly, dimming to complete darkness and then lighting up to full brightness every couple seconds. May there be a reason for it other than simply that there may be 2 different kinds of assets for the active obelisks?
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I'm pretty sure the obelisk pulsing varies with how close your get with your SRV. Yesterday I noticed that a further obelisk was pulsing much faster and deeper than the one that I was next to, but then they switched when I moved my SRV in front of the other.
 
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