Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

[Rennard]

I seriously doubt this cannot be solved in the exact same way in solo as any other mode.

The mission is available in Solo and the pay out of 100Mil is offered. FDEV has spoken about "mode switching" and how its not intended to be used to gain advantage so I can only conclude that switching to another mode to finish a mission you got in solo is not what they would require. I personally only use solo or small private groups as I'm not interested in open.

I speculate that we are either missing 1 or more ruin sites or that they will announce something soon that will open up further parts to Ram Tah's mission. 4 weeks is a long mission after all. I find it unlikely given how long the first site took to find that FDEV would release a 4 week timed mission with more sites to find unaided.

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[Trafalgar Law]

I seriously doubt this cannot be solved in the exact same way in solo as any other mode.

The mission is available in Solo and the pay out of 100Mil is offered. FDEV has spoken about "mode switching" and how its not intended to be used to gain advantage so I can only conclude that switching to another mode to finish a mission you got in solo is now what they would require. I personally only use solo or small private groups as I'm not interested in open.

I speculate that we are either missing 1 or more ruin sites or that they will announce something soon that will open up further parts to Ram Tah's mission. 4 weeks is a long mission after all. I find it unlikely given how long the first site took to find that FDEV would release a 4 week timed mission with more sites to find unaided.

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It seems to require the presence of multiple cmdrs/srvs in order for more than the standard 15 obelisks to activate. So at the moment, assuming it's working correctly of course (still needs confirmation by fdev), you need to be in group or open.

 

[programad]

Considering Ram Tah will pay 101m + 100m to everyone that completes the mission, I can conclude that he is the richest NPC on the game.

 

[Glastinghouse]

Maybe I missed it, but there is no actual proof that we need several CMDRs, isn't it? We only need them to keep the instance alive - what doesn't rule out relogging.
Open for disproval as usual

 

[Maxulic]

Try putting them in your hold - always same order so seems unlikely that selection ordering matters (but feel free to try - science and all that)

If you are transferring items from your ship to your SRV then back to your ship you will notice that the order remains so if your list items to transfer to your SRV was B then A, when you open up the window again to transfer them back to your ship it will still be B then A. But I am with you, only the cargo hold matters and there is no order in there.

 

[Rennard]

It seems to require the presence of multiple cmdrs/srvs in order for more than the standard 15 obelisks to activate. So at the moment, assuming it's working correctly of course (still needs confirmation by fdev), you need to be in group or open.

This would lead to one of the most interesting developments in the game being withheld from solo players. I don't buy it personally and think some instance related bugs may be involve here but nothing is fact until confirmed of course. Its all speculation.

 

[CMDR Vox-Lee]

To add another idea... (as if there aint enough already)

The site looks like the planet the ruins are on and the orbiting moon.
If you check this image you will see a different site with the ruins planet in the background. If you fly to 56 -107 on the orbiting moon you will see a very noticable flat section on the moon along with a mountain formation very similar. I didnt have the time to check out the mountains on that moon, but there are obvious features similar. For example:
1 Planet in back ground with hills or mountains in the rear (Like the picture)
2 Galaxy arm visible at certain times (Like the picture)
3 Same shade of color for planet and moon (Like the picture)

The obelisks seem to be randomly placed on the site, but the site shape is the key i still feel.
Its just a theory like every other, but I dont think we can dismiss that image as the trailer was used to find the current site.

CMDR Vox-Lee

 

[programad]

If you are transferring items from your ship to your SRV then back to your ship you will notice that the order remains so if your list items to transfer to your SRV was B then A, when you open up the window again to transfer them back to your ship it will still be B then A. But I am with you, only the cargo hold matters and there is no order in there.

It is just an alphabetic sorting. Just code, guys.

 

[DustyArne]

Hoovering your ship above the obelisks with all artifact in the cargo hold, while a second CMDR scans it doesn't make any sense i guess right?

 

[programad]

Hoovering your ship above the obelisks with all artifact in the cargo hold, while a second CMDR scans it doesn't make any sense i guess right?

It makes sense if you think of the patterns obtained from the scans as RADIO WAVE PATTERNS

Those kind of misunderstandings is why I created a fact check sheet and nobody is listening to me!

 

[Rennard]

Hoovering your ship above the obelisks with all artifact in the cargo hold, while a second CMDR scans it doesn't make any sense i guess right?

For me the issue here is proximity. The SRV has to get really close for the Obelisk to "wake up" yet a ship hovering a lot further away overhead is in range? Doesn't seem consistent.

 

[Mr.Loma]

There is one more "hidden" beacon glyph , you can only see via debug cam clipping

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=843155096

/img tag doesn't work on a steam pic :/

I got Cultural 7 from Totem+totem , someone else got Cultural 8, prolly from a different obelisk

 

[Pumabear8]

For me the issue here is proximity. The SRV has to get really close for the Obelisk to "wake up" yet a ship hovering a lot further away overhead is in range? Doesn't seem consistent.

It's not, it happens when an SRV scans, for some odd reason, commanders with objects aboard their ship get the result of the scan also.

 

[Factabulous]

Why are we using the SRV's cargo capacity as the basis of the number artifacts used in the combinations we are trying?
I don't think whoever/whatever constructed this site would have had the foresight to have built it with this in mind.

When you get an invalid combinations message from Ram Tah he drops the hint you may need up to two items in your hold, and he's already decoded the delta messages from the builders in an earlier CG, so he should know!

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It makes sense if you think of the patterns obtained from the scans as RADIO WAVE PATTERNS

Those kind of misunderstandings is why I created a fact check sheet and nobody is listening to me!

Happy to listen, not sure what to do. What are the implications of patterns being radio waves? We need an experiment to test a theory, and I don't think we have the clear theory yet.

Looked at the spreadsheet, good stuff. There was nothing I could add as I agree with all the facts, seemed little point in adding a 'me too' column.

 

[JJ12880]

It makes sense if you think of the patterns obtained from the scans as RADIO WAVE PATTERNS

Those kind of misunderstandings is why I created a fact check sheet and nobody is listening to me!

I was thinking we need a wiki to keep track of all the theories that keep flying around, and getting subsequently burred in the thread, however this google doc would serve the same purpose. Ill add a few observations of my own.

 

[Catoblepas]

I was thinking we need a wiki to keep track of all the theories that keep flying around, and getting subsequently burred in the thread, however this google doc would serve the same purpose. Ill add a few observations of my own.

It has become hard to keep track of in honesty. I was helping at the start but things soon got confusing. Right now I'm just reading up here to see how you guys are progressing but I've no idea what we even currently know does or doesn't work anymore. Though I think this is unavoidable to an extent due to the very nature of the mission.

 

[programad]

When you get an invalid combinations message from Ram Tah he drops the hint you may need up to two items in your hold, and he's already decoded the delta messages from the builders in an earlier CG, so he should know!

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Happy to listen, not sure what to do. What are the implications of patterns being radio waves? We need an experiment to test a theory, and I don't think we have the clear theory yet.

Looked at the spreadsheet, good stuff. There was nothing I could add as I agree with all the facts, seemed little point in adding a 'me too' column.

If yo repeat an experiment N times and the result is the same N times, it means it is a strong candidate to a fact. In other hand, if the result fail in a considerable ammount of times, maybe there is a factor changing the results.

 

[CMDR Vox-Lee]

I still think the image from Frontier should be look into.
The way the ruins is set out looks like a planet with an orbiting moon. Moon is mentioned a few times in the data results. Plus, if you go to 56 -107 on the moon orbiting this planet, you will see what the image from Frontier looks like:
Mountains with planet in backdrop, Galaxy arm visible at certain points, planet and moon same color... all adds up to me. Since the community found this site from the trailer, why can that image not also be a clue?
The image of the original site also looks a 2D pointer, pointing at the orbiting moon, and then from the moon back to the planet.

Might check this out later again, but when i checked the moon yesterday I didn't have the time to have a good look

 

[Th3 0utKa5t]

It makes sense if you think of the patterns obtained from the scans as RADIO WAVE PATTERNS

Those kind of misunderstandings is why I created a fact check sheet and nobody is listening to me!

Programad & Factabulous, do you guys fancy a PG later tonight to see if we can figure this out? I'm UK timezone and will be online from about 7pm GMT as i'm currently working and cant really do much.

 

[Kaltern]

Hi folks.

Firstly an enormous THANK YOU to all those who submitted data for the Canonn data sheet - it was incredibly useful at determining what next steps to take.

That sheet has now been retired, and we're asking for those who still can, to use the NEW Form HERE to add the extra data we need.

If you have already successfully scanned a particular obelisk, you MAY still get more from it, as results have shown some people getting multiple research data entries from the same obelisk.

Please remember, we need ALL the answers on the form in order to accurately record the data needed. If you cannot answer any of them, the submission will not be accepted, so please check you have all the data needed first!

Also, please double check you are using the map numbering as shown at the top of the form.

Again, huge thanks for those who helped with the first sheet, and please, feel free to help out again. Together, we'll get this thing cracked!