Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

[DippyNikki]

In case the new spreadsheet of confirmed combinations gets lost in the crowd:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...57nTBtDqRan41SZKpppJrmwA3c/edit#gid=587884756

Repetitively testing across 3 PG's and in open by:

CMDR Mortlestiltskin
CMDR DippyNikki
CMDR Alienasa
CMDR Allocator
CMDR A_Spec

Combinations will continue to be updated following further testing

 

[CMDRTHEDUCKSTER369]

Here are a few of my observations.
Over the past few days I have been providing defence for the hardworking CMDRS down below trying to figure this all out. I would like to mention before I delve deeper that in my cargo hold I have all currently known items that can be picked up from the site.

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Continuing, whilst patrolling the skies keeping an ever watchful eye on the skies for potential griefers in their shiny imperial ships, I would gain mission critical messages I am assuming to to the fact I have the relevant items in my holds in conjunction to a scan from a commander on the surface. From being here a number of days, several instances and a varying number of players I have concluded that the amount of people (especially clustering close) seems to have an adverse effect on the frequency of data I would get..... this could be argued to be credible evidence to the proximity theory of the obelisks and the theory of the relics powering the obelisks. I would also like to note that during 12am -9am GMT when most people were either asleep, or to do with the current positioning of the cycle of the system, not much was happening in terms of the obelisks.

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I would love to do more to help the progression of the scientific activities currently occurring at this site but I feel that I am of more use providing cover from the griefers.
Stay safe CMDRS, hopefully we cracking this soon.
o7

 

[CMDRTHEDUCKSTER369]

I would love to help out with more of the science side but I feel I am more help at the sight defending in my Conda. All the hard work is being done below me. All I can offer is protection from other players. Stay safe commanders !!!

 

[who?]

Nope, at least not as far as a hundred or so cmdrs that have tried so far.

13 is the max in Solo(because it's broken), 36 is the max in Open/Private Group ( partly because it's broken ).

If you feel suicidal, try open mode, but I'd recommend joining a Private Group like Mobuis.

There is an FAQ on the frontpage ( somewhere - there is a lot on the front page! )
If you look back at page 959 you'll see my list of 9 bugs with the ruins so far - short versions is FDev are investigating them and have admitted most of them are real bugs.

Just to be uber-pedantic - I don't think being in PG or Open, by itself, will change anything. I've put in dozens of hours in a private Private Group ( ) with no difference from Solo. It seems to be the presence of additional Cmdrs that's the trigger/catalyst for the obelisk changes. Obviously, that only happens in PG & Open, but being in an empty PG will likely do nothing.

If some change/fix is made, and the obelisks start resetting, that'll open up lots of theories again. Maybe try a scan, note the data patterns if unsuccessful, then try again with the corresponding ancient items once the obelisk resets. Maybe getting all current 13 right without relogging/killing the instance activates other obelisks. If that change is made, it's game on.

 

[cascadia]

I took all the relics to a different system that has an abandoned base on one of the planets. it has very odd information in the data points

Spoiler

(if interested look up hr 5991 1 b)

it did not do anything but I hope that some one else knows of a place that this idea might work at.

 

[Factabulous]

I took all the relics to a different system that has an abandoned base on one of the planets. it has very odd information in the data points

Spoiler

(if interested look up hr 5991 1 b)

it did not do anything but I hope that some one else knows of a place that this idea might work at.

That abandoned base is on the FP - ABANDONED RESEARCH FACILITY 5592 . You could try taking them to one of the alien crash sites (also FP), as Ram Tah seems to think there's a connection (Galnet post today mentioned earlier)

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One thing I've noticed. When you try to scan an obelisk that you've already scanned, the system shows an icon below the scanning bar, so you don't actually need to re-scan to know you've already got it in this session...

http://i.imgur.com/oq3d5VO.jpg

This also works in solo (yay!) - if you target the dot immediately after you scan then you can get the 'already scanned' message that was previously PG/Open only <sarcasm>looks like they're starting to implement things back into solo</sarcasm>

 

[Trafalgar Law]

That abandoned base is on the FP - ABANDONED RESEARCH FACILITY 5592 . You could try taking them to one of the alien crash sites (also FP), as Ram Tah seems to think there's a connection (Galnet post today mentioned earlier)

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This also works in solo (yay!) - if you target the dot immediately after you scan then you can get the 'already scanned' message that was previously PG/Open only <sarcasm>looks like they're starting to implement things back into solo</sarcasm>

hmm. He thinks they're important (understatement of the century there), not that they're linked. The technology of the alien interdictor and crashed ships looks and feels very different to technology the synuefe ruins - one is very organic looking the other clearly technological.

 

[QorbeQ]

So, I've been playing with Synuefe a little (solo).

Scanning random active obilisks always gives me at least one blue info-box message mentioning Greek letters, sometimes two messages like that.

Also, but only sometimes, it pops up a blue info-box message about "cultural" or "language" etc.

However, Ram Tah has only ever given me one success message from a couple of days ago (Mobius). Everything I've randomly scanned today has had an instant "Please forgive my intrusion" message.

(I'm deliberately not following a list just yet).

So, where are these blue info messages leading? Are they related to the decoding that Ram Tah wants for the mission or are they secondary to it? I see from the official lists that the same obelisk can respond with different Greek letters...? No correlations found yet?


o7

 

[Factabulous]

So, I've been playing with Synuefe a little (solo).

Scanning random active obilisks always gives me at least one blue info-box message mentioning Greek letters, sometimes two messages like that.

So, where are these blue info messages leading? Are they related to the decoding that Ram Tah wants for the mission or are they secondary to it? I see from the official lists that the same obelisk can respond with different Greek letters...? No correlations found yet?

The Greek letters are data, you can find them in your inventory under the data tab (delete them when you run out of space, the description states that they are used by engineers, but they are not yet). These are secondary and we don't know if they do anything useful at present.

The cultural/historical/etc messages are the ones we are looking for - you should see them in the 'incoming messages area', though they don't always turn up. These messages are the ones we're tracking in the spreadsheets on the FP - you get 1 million CR for each new one (look on your mission tab). You can't get them all afaik (FAQ on first page)

 

[rizal72]

New Galnet Here. Mentions shipwrecks. Have we checked these out thoroughly? We're still missing the bread crumbs that led to the ruins, some scan data hints from these and the crashes might point to our ruin and the others.

IMHO the Ruins and the Aliens Ships/Shipwrecks/UA/UP are two separate stories, and in fact both scientists are very careful to not mention the Ruins when talking about the Sightings.
This does not mean that both stories could not be related somehow: for example these aliens (please, we know it, they are some kind of thargoids ) could be responsible of the Guardians' demise, or these two "civilizations" could have come in contact somewhere in time. But the Guardians could be about THE PAST, the ships we're encountering could be THE FUTURE.

Another thought about the RUINS:
reading carefully through the collected data, what is clear is that they are what we could call a huge library, or Wikipedia: a way for them to SHARE ALL THEIR KNOWLEDGE each other, in a way that is described similar to telepathy: wireless
Huge Hubs of knowledge, like HOTSPOTS carefully placed, to extend THE RANGE of these "libraries", to let their knowledge be accessible further.

Imagine for a moment, each single being of this specie, being able to access the whole knowledge: each one could be everything at once: the better scientist, the better politician, the better warrior, the better everything. I'm still wondering how too much knowledge could cause the end of e specie...

 

[floc]

On the front page you will find a map of which obelisks are linked to which item.

i didnt find any map. In fact, in front page there is no map other than showing the same 13 data. Any link?

 

[rizal72]

i didnt find any map. In fact, in front page there is no map other than showing the same 13 data. Any link?

The only map you need is the one on the frontpage, under THE LATEST MAP, it says, by colors, which artefact can interact with which area: it is huge, you can open it on another tab, and zoom it. You'll find the same map inside the various spreadsheets.

Try to refresh your cache, I suspect you are seeing a very old frontpage, it's not the first time it happens however...

 

[StonedThoughts]

You are right, I'll stop sayin obelisk. There is no such thing. That is the name we gave. I'll call them monolith from now.

Hey there,
infact the Scanner say "Obelisk", so i guess its fine calling it so

Spoiler

Just something that came to my mind (beware, wild speculation incoming):
Given the Ancient Ruins are a Comunication Array and there are (2?) more Sites, wouldnt it make sense to put them somewhere where they point to a direction the Actual Ruins doesnt ?

I mean, apart the fact i have no clue how the interstelar comunication is working (lorewise), a signal just can be send to a particular direction, right?
So to cover a whole Galaxy (or at least a specific "bubble" in it) or the devices used to complement the Network (like Tech 8 said, sounds for me like some kind of Satelites btw) i would think you want to have the hypothetical other Ancient Sites on Planets that are able to cover different directions (at the same time) as the actual one does.

Im not good with orbital periods , triangulation n stuff (or more or less everything involving numbers/math [noob] ) but this might could be something to take into consideration to locate the other Ancient Ruins.

Hopefully this isnt to confusing/total nonsense at all

 

[Thatchinho]

Also, Biology 08 tells us that they make sex standing. Insects do that too. Mammals usually don't, neither reptiles.

Plenty of mammals have sex standing up. Sheep, cows, goats, dogs, horses, deer, donkeys. Giraffes, Zebras, Elephants, Rhinos, Buffalo, Bison to name a few...

 

[floc]

it doesnt say what unlocks what... On the Kaltern sheet I saw many others combination, the sheets in front page has only the standard combos

currently i found this on discord canonn group https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...57nTBtDqRan41SZKpppJrmwA3c/edit#gid=208480479

 

[enak]

I'm still wondering how too much knowledge could cause the end of e specie...

There are three concepts here in my mind, 1. The species has not ended, 2. The AI ended the species, 3. The species ascended to the higher plain.
Given what data we have learned and the advancement of their technology we could expect these sites would not have fallen into ruin if they were still about. But perhaps this outdated technology is redundant to them and simply discarded leading to 3.
Whatever the case it was a long time ago and we have only uncovered the tiniest (although significant) part of a much bigger story.
Looking forward to the next chapter, but feel we have barely begun reading the first page.

 

[Redwalljp]

hmm. He thinks they're important (understatement of the century there), not that they're linked. The technology of the alien interdictor and crashed ships looks and feels very different to technology the synuefe ruins - one is very organic looking the other clearly technological.

With that in mind, has anyone been interdicted with any of the artifacts on board? If they are from different races and there was a war, being interdicted while carrying an artifact might prompt a response from the alien ships.

 

[knowles2]

Given what data we have learned and the advancement of their technology we could expect these sites would not have fallen into ruin if they were still about. But perhaps this outdated technology is redundant to them and simply discarded leading to 3.
.

That does fit their description of being them caring about the environment through. I would have thought they big fans of recycling.

 

[Factabulous]

With that in mind, has anyone been interdicted with any of the artifacts on board? If they are from different races and there was a war, being interdicted while carrying an artifact might prompt a response from the alien ships.

Section on the FP on the hyperdictions shows several commanders reporting hyperdictions with artefacts on board, no special outcome reported (though I guess this could have been changed in the latest patch?)

 

[who?]

IMHO the Ruins and the Aliens Ships/Shipwrecks/UA/UP are two separate stories, and in fact both scientists are very careful to not mention the Ruins when talking about the Sightings.
This does not mean that both stories could not be related somehow: for example these aliens (please, we know it, they are some kind of thargoids ) could be responsible of the Guardians' demise, or these two "civilizations" could have come in contact somewhere in time. But the Guardians could be about THE PAST, the ships we're encountering could be THE FUTURE.

Another thought about the RUINS:
reading carefully through the collected data, what is clear is that they are what we could call a huge library, or Wikipedia: a way for them to SHARE ALL THEIR KNOWLEDGE each other, in a way that is described similar to telepathy: wireless
Huge Hubs of knowledge, like HOTSPOTS carefully placed, to extend THE RANGE of these "libraries", to let their knowledge be accessible further.

Imagine for a moment, each single being of this specie, being able to access the whole knowledge: each one could be everything at once: the better scientist, the better politician, the better warrior, the better everything. I'm still wondering how too much knowledge could cause the end of e specie...

Interesting point! I've always thought Star Trek's Borg were just a projection into humanity's future. Take a social species, constantly seeking and sharing information. Requiring validation. Wanting everything, and now. Add a constant desire for improvement, perfection, augmentation. Build in some neural-interfacing wifi comms. Add some nanites for repair and reconstruction (fast twitch fibres etc.) Throw in an industrial accident where they inter-link, giving birth to an emergent, collective AI. Slap on a bit of time travel, and Bob's your 7 of 9's 1 of 2.

Back to the current universe. There is an interesting question here though. If this such a wonderful repository of information, why is it encrypted? Why is it adapting to and fighting against our attempts to learn from it? (According to Ram Tah's mission comments). Do they not trust us? Would we be a danger to them, or to themselves?