The lore doesn't state telepathy, but it does state cybernetics, so more likely communication via technology in their heads (imagine Ghost in the Shell).
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The lore doesn't state telepathy, but it does state cybernetics, so more likely communication via technology in their heads (imagine Ghost in the Shell).
Ok, some more theories (yay!). Someone mentioned something about bits and the pillars before. I'm getting convinced that we can find coordinates here using the geometric shapes. Our current coordinates 32 and 128 are numbers that are not the worst to decode and if we find them we can find other coordinates (hopefully). It would be a whole lot more scientific and dignified than sending out our fleet and all choose a bearing on a planet to skim along.
Looking at how planet 1, Sag A and Coalsack were lined up last night, sort of resembling the positions in the center piece, it could be that the answer is at one of the moons of planet 4 (this was just left of Sag A, just like in the ruins). It seems to fit as you have 3 solitary moons and 2 that orbit each other just like the ruins suggest. No idea which one has the jackpot, though...
The data suggested that the integration of direction added meaning to the glyphs. I was thinking the lit up obelisks could be part of that but I think the geometric shapes and glyphs are two separate things.
Ram Tah mentions only one glyph specifically, of the moon rising and setting like it looks on the Guardians' planet. Has anyone seen that glyph at the ruins? Or is it on the lit up part of the obelisks which we see different stages of at the base of the pillars? He also mentioned that the glyphs came from sign language. If that is true, how many bloody fingers did they have to make that kind of moon symbol?
Looking at how planet 1, Sag A and Coalsack were lined up last night, sort of resembling the positions in the center piece, it could be that the answer is at one of the moons of planet 4 (this was just left of Sag A, just like in the ruins). It seems to fit as you have 3 solitary moons and 2 that orbit each other just like the ruins suggest. No idea which one has the jackpot, though...
The data suggested that the integration of direction added meaning to the glyphs. I was thinking the lit up obelisks could be part of that but I think the geometric shapes and glyphs are two separate things.
Ram Tah mentions only one glyph specifically, of the moon rising and setting like it looks on the Guardians' planet. Has anyone seen that glyph at the ruins? Or is it on the lit up part of the obelisks which we see different stages of at the base of the pillars? He also mentioned that the glyphs came from sign language. If that is true, how many bloody fingers did they have to make that kind of moon symbol?
Guessing this is either joking or English not as native language - so just in case it's the latter... sorry, I see where you're going, but ruins is effectively singular in this context.
All his statements have use Ruins, I mention before we should be looking for other ruins.
He also mention multiple alien species in one of his comments about war being common to species throughout the galaxy.
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New here on the forum but I'd like to share my thoughts regarding the ancient ruins:
1. the guardians love to use geometric forms, love symmetry, love to use pictures/pictograms ("Ram Tah")
2. looking at the known ruins, as well as from near and from far, we recognize (the whole site) as a picture/pictogram, relics, "obelisks", nearly all of the items there consists and is covered by some kind of TRIANGLES, we find triangles everywhere here, AND at least two 3-sided pyramids (> tetrahedrons, see 6.)
3. however, one site (THIS one) has been found no matter of how, the other sites (Ram Tah: "....scan as much ruin sites as you can...") HAVE NOT BEEN FOUND YET - I think this is the next clue or whatever to go ahead with the guardian's story
4. what leads me for the assumption to look/search here (on this moon); as on the last 15 or 20 pages mentioned by other commanders, three days ago I had the exact same idea that the whole moon could be the first ARRAY in the guardian's network; lead by the overwhelming amount of triangles: I "projected" an equilateral triangle into the sphere of the planet (1122km radius); as the first corner of this triangle is known (the ruins at -31,7877 / -128,9711) we can construct the triangle this way that the other 2 corners touch to the surface from "within" the planet, maybe this drawing vizualizes that better. To obtain the location of the other corners, go 120 degrees from the ruins to the pole, you land at 88,2123 (120-31,7877=88,2123).
5. yesterday I flew in an approximately in average height between 500m and 1500m, from the ruins heading 0 degrees to the pole, following the -128,9711 "path" (is it longitude or latitude
?) in normal flight (DBX Scout at 480m boost), my brother accompanied me in his ASPX in an average of 1500-2500m above and 1000-2000m besides me (left of me), we arrived at the pole after about 80-90 minutes boosting. Finally we arrived at the pole (but we have to go a bit back to 88,2123) and landed, we discovered nothing looking similar to the known ruins - but we also expected not much as this would have meant real big luck. So, as we do not know the orientation of this inside-planet-triangle, we have to circle on 88,2123 the whole planet around, searching the ground for more ruin sites. I will do this in about an hour or so.
Tip for that search: a few pages back someone wrote that it would be possible to spot a significant formation from 4-5km height - this may be the case regarding the current ruins as from the well-known formation on the ground, in other words: you know for what to look for; so I for myself and my brother can't confirm this, to be on the real safe side I would recommend an average height from 500-1000m .
6. thinking some more about the triangle-in-planet theory I came to the conclusion that, as mentioned before, a tetrahedron INSIDE the planet would fit much better the love for symmetry of the guardians. This can also be constructed into a sphere, the first corner also is known, but the angle that has to be used is 109,5 degrees. Running from the ruins heading 0 to the pole we'd land at 10,5 (if we follow on -128,9711) - as in 4. we would have to circle around the whole moon on 10,5 degrees. If I have enough time before I go to bed I will also try this out, or maybe anyone else wants to ? Better result would be a wing of 4 CMDRs flying parallel course in an average height of 500-1000m (we do not know how big the other site spreads - if it is here at all) .
Unfortunatley I am too dumb to insert my scematics I used (.png and .jpg are not uploaded "this is not a valid image file"), fiddling around a bit, I will add it later if I get it done.
1. the guardians love to use geometric forms, love symmetry, love to use pictures/pictograms ("Ram Tah")
2. looking at the known ruins, as well as from near and from far, we recognize (the whole site) as a picture/pictogram, relics, "obelisks", nearly all of the items there consists and is covered by some kind of TRIANGLES, we find triangles everywhere here, AND at least two 3-sided pyramids (> tetrahedrons, see 6.)
3. however, one site (THIS one) has been found no matter of how, the other sites (Ram Tah: "....scan as much ruin sites as you can...") HAVE NOT BEEN FOUND YET - I think this is the next clue or whatever to go ahead with the guardian's story
4. what leads me for the assumption to look/search here (on this moon); as on the last 15 or 20 pages mentioned by other commanders, three days ago I had the exact same idea that the whole moon could be the first ARRAY in the guardian's network; lead by the overwhelming amount of triangles: I "projected" an equilateral triangle into the sphere of the planet (1122km radius); as the first corner of this triangle is known (the ruins at -31,7877 / -128,9711) we can construct the triangle this way that the other 2 corners touch to the surface from "within" the planet, maybe this drawing vizualizes that better. To obtain the location of the other corners, go 120 degrees from the ruins to the pole, you land at 88,2123 (120-31,7877=88,2123).
5. yesterday I flew in an approximately in average height between 500m and 1500m, from the ruins heading 0 degrees to the pole, following the -128,9711 "path" (is it longitude or latitude
?) in normal flight (DBX Scout at 480m boost), my brother accompanied me in his ASPX in an average of 1500-2500m above and 1000-2000m besides me (left of me), we arrived at the pole after about 80-90 minutes boosting. Finally we arrived at the pole (but we have to go a bit back to 88,2123) and landed, we discovered nothing looking similar to the known ruins - but we also expected not much as this would have meant real big luck. So, as we do not know the orientation of this inside-planet-triangle, we have to circle on 88,2123 the whole planet around, searching the ground for more ruin sites. I will do this in about an hour or so.Tip for that search: a few pages back someone wrote that it would be possible to spot a significant formation from 4-5km height - this may be the case regarding the current ruins as from the well-known formation on the ground, in other words: you know for what to look for; so I for myself and my brother can't confirm this, to be on the real safe side I would recommend an average height from 500-1000m .
6. thinking some more about the triangle-in-planet theory I came to the conclusion that, as mentioned before, a tetrahedron INSIDE the planet would fit much better the love for symmetry of the guardians. This can also be constructed into a sphere, the first corner also is known, but the angle that has to be used is 109,5 degrees. Running from the ruins heading 0 to the pole we'd land at 10,5 (if we follow on -128,9711) - as in 4. we would have to circle around the whole moon on 10,5 degrees. If I have enough time before I go to bed
I will also try this out, or maybe anyone else wants to ? Better result would be a wing of 4 CMDRs flying parallel course in an average height of 500-1000m (we do not know how big the other site spreads - if it is here at all) .Unfortunatley I am too dumb to insert my scematics I used (.png and .jpg are not uploaded "this is not a valid image file"), fiddling around a bit, I will add it later if I get it done.
Wonderful example of how a language can confuse people: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ruins
Read most cmdrs posts here and I suspect you'll find things like "I was at the ruins today and ..."
or
"Don't get too excited but I have found some wreckage on this planet. Relatively close to the Ruins."
The s does not already mean multiples!
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Think it's clear this community goal was hastily put together when Frontier realized we have ZERO HOPE of finding the other ruin sites as they never gave us clues to find any in the first place.
The original hunt for data was accidentally launched in GalNet last year, before the patch with the data was in place. Then they launched the mission with no GalNet post. Now they realise we havn't got a hope of completing all the datasets with only one ruins location, so have created this CG to point us in the right direction.
Such a shame they are always fire-fighting and playing catchup with this stuff. I've deleted hundreds of Alpha to Gamma data packets while working on the ruins puzzle.
ram tah said in the mission for the scan data that we must search into the ancients sites.
we now know that there are more ruins and not the 1 that is known.
in German is the titel of this "Entschlüsslung der uralten Ruinen".
in german said that titel that are more than 1 ruin!
and now in the CG ram tah said again ruins and he said the system where they are.
the system is Synuefe XR-H d11-102
he said everytime that is more then 1.
in the Cg he said also "locating other sides as part of an ongoing research project".
we now know that there are more ruins and not the 1 that is known.
in German is the titel of this "Entschlüsslung der uralten Ruinen".
in german said that titel that are more than 1 ruin!
and now in the CG ram tah said again ruins and he said the system where they are.
the system is Synuefe XR-H d11-102
he said everytime that is more then 1.
in the Cg he said also "locating other sides as part of an ongoing research project".
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He also did in english, it´s in the mission text.
Okay so, I'm a low life Mostly Harmless and have been very very inactive overall when it comes to communicating with the community.
I'm still catching up with this thread since last night and from what I can see it was quite a roller coaster.
I've just gone through at least 10 pages of cutthroat messages targeted at one single member... I actually had to stop catching up to this thread to type this message because of it.
Now don't get me wrong.
I definitely understand the frustration behind trying to understand this whole puzzle and having random people just drop by to leave a troll-y comment, or a "solution" filled to the brim with delusion, etc.
But can we please drop the elitist crown and the cutthroat attitude?
Regardless of how much that person "asked for it" I don't think they deserved over 10 pages of constant humiliation.
You guys got so hung over this one post it felt to me like you dropped the entire puzzle just to make sure they felt like about their message. I'm pretty sure they got the hint. If they didn't get the hint it's because they're a dedicated troll, in which case that was exactly what they wanted.
This whole event was partially a way for FDev to get more people interested in the game, potentially get new players too.
Displaying such a cutthroat and elitist attitude is just gonna bring the mood down for everybody.
I'm not saying just take it in and agree with them blindly, take everything with a grain of salt, obviously. We just really don't need to be so aggressive over something so little, call them out and move on.
"It's just a game", I'm sure we all have to deal with IRL, we don't need to make Elite this way.
Please?
I agree fully with this, people seem suspicious of those without a high forum rank which as a Mostly Harmless forum lurker such as myself finds a little off putting.
I posted an idea recently, which i thought probably just got lost in the flow of the thread. Now recent events lead me to believe that it was probably just ignored because of my forum rank status.
On another unrelated note, despite us about to be practically spoon fed a new ruins location... I am still determined to find the ruin I believe to be on the 1B A moon. This is based from aforementioned theory, and this poster I saw today after thinking about what others have said about overlooking data or clues: https://forums-cdn.frontier.co.uk/images/misc/The_Guardians_Final_1920x1080-1.jpg
With my theory I am 90% sure there is a ruin on the 1B A moon. I've been looking for it all day, and I'll keep looking until I either find it or cover the entire surface of the moon.
You have got to be kidding me!
Hey Himeno, there might be a bit of bad translation going on. As far as I understand FD are primarily English, so something's probably slipped when ruins has been translated into German. In English, Ruins would refer to just a single site. There have also been statements that said siteS, so it was already fairly certain there were multiple sites even before the scan data limits in the current sites were reached.
So, yes there are almost certainly multiple sites, but no, Ram Tah's statement doesn't mean there are definitely other ruins in Synuefe XR-H d11-102.
Sorry, and I hope that makes sense!
Edit: I'd better just clarify that equally Ram Tah's statement doesn't mean there are definitely not other ruins in Synuefe XR-H d11-102. (Hope that doesn't confuse matters!)
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I decoded unknown probe message! Triple-encoded. C'mon FD...
It is some ancient city, 98% this one. Valid info. You will like it very much, I have not seen this images nowhere... I will try to superimpose on known pictures, an post a pictures later this evening (in 2 hours cca, dam rl).
This is not a joke, my eyes are bleeding.
It is some ancient city, 98% this one. Valid info. You will like it very much, I have not seen this images nowhere... I will try to superimpose on known pictures, an post a pictures later this evening (in 2 hours cca, dam rl).
This is not a joke, my eyes are bleeding.
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But still, even if we would just search one planet, it can take forever to find something if we don't have the coordinates, since the ruins only become visible from a few KM away. It's not like planetary stations which you can see a hundred or more KM away. We don't even know yet how we were supposed to find the first ancient site. Yes we could find the other sites by pure luck. But is that really what FD is was after? Maybe there are no hidden messages, no geometry, no coordinates to find. We have to wait for the CG to finish to get the coordinates. I hope that's not the case. I hope that when we get the coordinates after the CG, that we will find out how we were supposed to know the location of the first ancient site. The star triangulation from the trailer apparently wasn't how they intended us to find the site.
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