Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

[Toshi_TNE]

I really hope the in game puzzles get better though.

Maybe no puzzles or codes next time, just to change things up. I'm all for mysteries, but everything has been somebody saw something or something happened long ago in some planet conveniently left unnamed.
You know what I'd like? To one log on and get a warning that outer colonies are being attacked by Thargoids. I'd like to be able to go there and watch it happen, maybe even throw some weapons on and help defend humanity. And I don't even like fighting. Something simple and straight forward for once.

 

[dynamicbob]

Maybe no puzzles or codes next time, just to change things up. I'm all for mysteries, but everything has been somebody saw something or something happened long ago in some planet conveniently left unnamed.
You know what I'd like? To one log on and get a warning that outer colonies are being attacked by Thargoids. I'd like to be able to go there and watch it happen, maybe even throw some weapons on and help defend humanity. And I don't even like fighting. Something simple and straight forward for once.

Perhaps additional clues are in more unregistered comms beacons yet to be found, or in herald news articles at random stations that havent been located yet

 

[CMDR Cylixx]

Maybe no puzzles or codes next time, just to change things up. I'm all for mysteries, but everything has been somebody saw something or something happened long ago in some planet conveniently left unnamed.
You know what I'd like? To one log on and get a warning that outer colonies are being attacked by Thargoids. I'd like to be able to go there and watch it happen, maybe even throw some weapons on and help defend humanity. And I don't even like fighting. Something simple and straight forward for once.

I like that idea, though I'm not keen on ditching puzzles entirely. Though the lack of tools necessary to find the solutions makes me think that for the time being they should ditch puzzles of this nature entirely. After the trailer had narrowed down the system, the first ruins were not located through any in game means besides the system map and looking for locations that might be scenic for a ruins to be placed, there is no scanner information to locate these things, not even a POI circle as those seem centered around procedural generation. Detailed surface scan doesn't reveal "power source detected" to tell you you've found a planet with something special, it's just left up to us to comb blindly until FD reveals the location through a CG, like many are feeling burned (wasted time and effort) because of currently. We don't even have an in game text log or something, if you want to record your findings at the ruins you needed a machine that can alt+tab out without ED crashing, or two monitors so you can document everything in notepad or excel. I love this mystery and how unique FD are trying to make this but ambiguous silence on bugs aside, we still don't have many tools to point us on the right path for the "interesting gameplay" to "emerge".

 

[Neil_Trayce]

Some more alignments... tonight the pleiades and Barnard's loop were both on the horizon at the same time.

Whatever it is blue out there on screen it's not Pleiades. It's some relatively close galaxy, I've forgotten its name. Pleiades are in the opposite direction.

so perhaps a ground based survey of landable planets in the barnard loop nebula and surrounding sectors is in order to find the next ruins ?

I'm in the Loop right now, I could provide assistance if massive effort will be launched but I won't spend dozen hours to carry that myself.

 

[Erid]

1. May be another puzzle or similair hunt ( but frontier arent back at work for afew hours yet)
2. Barnards loop is looking like a strong hint candidate

I don't like how many people pay attention to the Barnards loop.

 

[dynamicbob]

Whatever it is blue out there on screen it's not Pleiades. It's some relatively close galaxy, I've forgotten its name. Pleiades are in the opposite direction.



I'm in the Loop right now, I could provide assistance if massive effort will be launched but I won't spend dozen hours to carry that myself.

understood, we may need more clues to point there beyond where the ruins lines up with at different points of the day. There is something out there according to devs an undiscovered base or something. But how much additional content im not sure

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I don't like how many people pay attention to the Barnards loop.

I guess the concentrated community effort at the ruins , and not many innovative thinkers instead of brute force over population of one point has kinda led to the current frustration

 

[Neil_Trayce]

I don't like how many people pay attention to the Barnards loop.

At least there's some resemblance to the "key" section of ruins. The "key" itself could be either Milky Way or (if that's not the Loop but nearby object that matter) it could be that 2MASS group of brown dwarfs spreading out from Orion nebula (which also has some resemblance to ruins, if looked from Synuefe).
It's a version not better than any other (except for the fact that the Loop has been "separated" from the Bubble with some clusters of "unknown permit" stars).

 

[dynamicbob]

At least there's some resemblance to the "key" section of ruins. The "key" itself could be either Milky Way or (if that's not the Loop but nearby object that matter) it could be that 2MASS group of brown dwarfs spreading out from Orion nebula (which also has some resemblance to ruins, if looked from Synuefe).
It's a version not better than any other (except for the fact that the Loop has been "separated" from the Bubble with some clusters of "unknown permit" stars).

the 2MASS sector could be another future playground of storyline content.

Im sure either RAM TAH or Mr Brookes will make a comment in the next few days as to the status of things

 

[Moritasgus]

I think the problem is how good the community is...

I'm sure the ruins are a puzzle that lead to another site, the CG is FDev intervening into the lack of progress because people have become frustrated and we don't seem to have solved it.

You can't really blame them for making harder and harder puzzles, when you get a guy finding a needle in a haystack from a trailer video showing a moon and some stars its pretty ridiculous. Its not unrealistic for them to expect us to do it again which is why its probably taken them so long to launch the CG. Not blaming him in any way but XDeath finding this site from rudimentry triangulation is what give FDev the message that we don't need better tools or easier puzzles.
Make the puzzles too easy and its solved 20mins after the first person finds it, how is that interesting for anyone except the quickest there? I'm sure its not easy to balance the difficulty down to a specific time to complete.

Sure there are a lot of bugs and they seem to have lazily used missions that were designed for a different stage of the chain without changing the text, but sometimes we are our own worse enemies by solving the puzzles via either brilliance or brute force.

 

[FunkBubble]

I've noticed that since the CG ended some systems on the galaxy map have gotten bookmarked and it wasn't me that did it, one of them was even a planet that was bookmarked so I had a look at its map and there was nothing that would interest me enough for me to bookmark it, so it definitely wasn't me.

Is anyone else having this or is it just me?

 

[Whitehair]

Color is not real its the result of how eyes intemperate light waves bouncing off of surfaces. It is the perception of the human mind and a construct we adapted to make us better hunters. I highly doubt anything not of this planet will see anything in the same color or way that human eyes do. They for example may have evolved around a F class star or an A class star. So their eyes are tuned to a different spectrum of visible light. That is assuming that they even have eyes in the traditional sense.

We know the guardians do because the obelisks specifically say the color red. So they have similar eye structure to ours. Which means the will need to be located around an F or A class star at best.

Hi Zambrick

I have caught up on my education over the weekend, specifically the talk by Richard Feynman about refraction. Whilst I can in no way claim to understand it after reading the relevant lecture, I could follow a large part of it and do at least have a better grasp now - so thanks!

I do want to question something in the quote above though.

Human sight is not typical on the planet. Most creatures do not have the same sensitivity to colours as we humans do. Hawks for instance see ultra violet (they can see urine trails left by mice with it) and doves reportedly are much more sensitive to shades of green than we are, and see vastly many more greens than we are capable of.

So the colour range of sight isn't as strictly bound to star type as your post is (I think) suggesting. Certainly the range of light has to be emitted by the star for it to be useable, and therefore for a creature to evolve to use it, but I would have thought that practically all stars will emit red light, so using that as an exclusion criteria is a bit risky.

 

[Erid]

I think the problem is how good the community is...

I'm sure the ruins are a puzzle that lead to another site, the CG is FDev intervening into the lack of progress because people have become frustrated and we don't seem to have solved it.

You can't really blame them for making harder and harder puzzles, when you get a guy finding a needle in a haystack from a trailer video showing a moon and some stars its pretty ridiculous. Its not unrealistic for them to expect us to do it again which is why its probably taken them so long to launch the CG. Not blaming him in any way but XDeath finding this site from rudimentry triangulation is what give FDev the message that we don't need better tools or easier puzzles.
Make the puzzles too easy and its solved 20mins after the first person finds it, how is that interesting for anyone except the quickest there? I'm sure its not easy to balance the difficulty down to a specific time to complete.

Sure there are a lot of bugs and they seem to have lazily used missions that were designed for a different stage of the chain without changing the text, but sometimes we are our own worse enemies by solving the puzzles via either brilliance or brute force.

So the best hint will lead us to direction there we can use a brute force or etc. On the other hand a new hint don't must broke or make all another stuff easy to decode.... It will be a hard work to make a proper hint

 

[CMDR The Lord Marshal]

I've noticed that since the CG ended some systems on the galaxy map have gotten bookmarked and it wasn't me that did it, one of them was even a planet that was bookmarked so I had a look at its map and there was nothing that would interest me enough for me to bookmark it, so it definitely wasn't me.

Is anyone else having this or is it just me?

They don't by any chance begin with O and P do they?

I have some bookmarks now for locations I believe I have never visited also and don't recognise, as I 'usually' edit my bookmarks to say what is of interest there.

Their long distance away from the bubble, is such that I wouldn't normally have marked them.

Here are my suspect entries

Spoiler

OUTORNS PA-Z B29-0, PREAE THAA JZ-M D8-1, PREOU THOI YO-H B42-0

Disclaimer: I'm not saying with 100% certainty these bookmarks have just appeared, but I think they 'may' have.

 

[dynamicbob]

They don't by any chance begin with O and P do they?

I have some bookmarks now for locations I believe I have never visited also and don't recognise, as I usually edit my bookmarks to say what is of interest there.

A list of systems would be good guys so they can be investigated

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I've noticed that since the CG ended some systems on the galaxy map have gotten bookmarked and it wasn't me that did it, one of them was even a planet that was bookmarked so I had a look at its map and there was nothing that would interest me enough for me to bookmark it, so it definitely wasn't me.

Is anyone else having this or is it just me?

What are the system names ?

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

That's exactly what we did. Parked 2 Srvs as close to the relic pillars as possible and then measured the meter distance between us. We used the measures as ratios and started to look for stars that would fit.
One of the distances is by 1.5 ly off but on the other hand. All these stars are in one plane as the pillars on the surface. Now seriously, if this all is just coincidence, what are the odds?

That's a good bit of science, but you might have explained your method more clearer in your previous post.

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31M for me, in the top 25. Not bad, now we wait for FD to wake up and feed us the next bread crumb ?

Yeees, but first theres another CG for you to go out and gather the wheat and then the fuel to bake the bread

 

[bAdbUd]

They don't by any chance begin with O and P do they?

I have some bookmarks now for locations I believe I have never visited also and don't recognise, as I 'usually' edit my bookmarks to say what is of interest there.

Their long distance away from the bubble, is such that I wouldn't have marked them.

Here are my suspect entries

Spoiler

OUTORNS PA-Z B29-O, PREAE THAA JZ-M D8-1, PREOU THOI YO-H B42-O

Disclaimer: I'm not saying with 100% certainty these bookmarks have just appeared, but I think they may have.

Only "PREAE THAA JZ-M D8-1" exists in the game, have misspelled the other two?

Scrub that: you put "O's" instead of zeros on the end "0's"

 

[dynamicbob]

They don't by any chance begin with O and P do they?

I have some bookmarks now for locations I believe I have never visited also and don't recognise, as I 'usually' edit my bookmarks to say what is of interest there.

Their long distance away from the bubble, is such that I wouldn't have marked them.

Here are my suspect entries

Spoiler

OUTORNS PA-Z B29-O, PREAE THAA JZ-M D8-1, PREOU THOI YO-H B42-O

Disclaimer: I'm not saying with 100% certainty these bookmarks have just appeared, but I think they may have.

have u ever been to that part of space ? thats way in the middle of nowhere, but hey a deeeep space mystery might be interesting.

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Only "PREAE THAA JZ-M D8-1" exists in the game, have misspelled the other two?

nope the outorns sector exists as well

 

[FunkBubble]

They don't by any chance begin with O and P do they?

I have some bookmarks now for locations I believe I have never visited also and don't recognise, as I usually edit my bookmarks to say what is of interest there.

Their long distance away from the bubble, is such that I wouldn't have marked them.

Unfortunately mine do not seem to be the same things as you have but ill list them anyway,

HIP 32662 (populated with a few landable planets)
PLEIADES SECTOR JC-U B3-2 1 (landable high metal content potato planet that I haven't even been close to the system to get the data)
PHUA AUB FG-Y G7 ( in the center of the galaxy, I've never been further that 1500ly outside the bubble and this system has no interesting data about it either)
PHUA AUB KW-K C22-1354 (same situation as previous)

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HIP 43123 has also popped up, no system data

 

[pr0wler]

I think the problem is how good the community is...

I'm sure the ruins are a puzzle that lead to another site, the CG is FDev intervening into the lack of progress because people have become frustrated and we don't seem to have solved it.

You can't really blame them for making harder and harder puzzles, when you get a guy finding a needle in a haystack from a trailer video showing a moon and some stars its pretty ridiculous. Its not unrealistic for them to expect us to do it again which is why its probably taken them so long to launch the CG. Not blaming him in any way but XDeath finding this site from rudimentry triangulation is what give FDev the message that we don't need better tools or easier puzzles.
Make the puzzles too easy and its solved 20mins after the first person finds it, how is that interesting for anyone except the quickest there? I'm sure its not easy to balance the difficulty down to a specific time to complete.

Sure there are a lot of bugs and they seem to have lazily used missions that were designed for a different stage of the chain without changing the text, but sometimes we are our own worse enemies by solving the puzzles via either brilliance or brute force.

This echoes my thinking exactly. I think that first it's hard for them to keep up with us - sometimes we jump ahead of where they planned for us to be, and sometimes we miss clues that they likely think are obvious. It's clear that this is a hard puzzle - but we would have figured out the simpler ones too quickly. And now we have the latest CG and the goal is to hand-feed us the next clue because we aren't figuring it out ourselves quickly. I have a feeling that when we find the second system, we should be able to figure out the third ourselves based on the clues from the first that are supposed to point to the second.

And, to be honest, I've had fun. I haven't posted here in this thread because I had nothing useful to add but I did spend a couple of days obsessing over the Alien Artifact quest and chasing down ideas that I had and randomly flying around looking. I spent hours looking at the patterns on the obelisks themselves - I thought it might be a Gray Code (reflected binary code) because of how few bits change, and spent hours trying out combinations to see if it was some sort of base-18 numbering system. I have sheets of notes, none of which seem to have worked. But I was convinced the patterns were key to this - the fact that they are two sets of three to me indicated a set of vectors that could be plotted in three dimensional space to make an image and I wanted my 15 seconds of Elite internet fame, but I gave up a few days ago. I still think the patterns are some clue but it's beyond me.

But at the heart of it, I have had a lot of fun. It's been great meeting people on Mobius and sharing ideas. I see people griping that it's a waste of time a few pages back and I wanted to log in and add my agreement to what Moritasgus - the heart of the problem is that we, as a group, are very clever. So Frontier is doing the best that they can to make it a challenge and keep it fun to avoid the whole thing being mapped out within a day or two.

 

[dynamicbob]

Unfortunately mine do not seem to be the same things as you have but ill list them anyway,

HIP 32662 (populated with a few landable planets)
PLEIADES SECTOR JC-U B3-2 1 (landable high metal content potato planet that I haven't even been close to the system to get the data)
PHUA AUB FG-Y G7 ( in the center of the galaxy, I've never been further that 1500ly outside the bubble and this system has no interesting data about it either)
PHUA AUB KW-K C22-1354 (same situation as previous)

The mystery deepens