So you want to know about the Formidine Rift? (Part 3)

sorry in advance for my stupidity.. also i didn't (yet) read the Drew's books..
so i am completely ignorant.

These Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta missions are a group of individiual persons ?
or all the mission's log are from the same group ?

i am asking this because from this last log:


it seems to me that is telling ''we are heading home... and suddenly we (basically) died..''

help me to understand please.

I don't see the part where he said they died but ... I'm honestly not sure if the logs are even written by the same person. I presume that more than one person on each of these missions could have kept a log. It would be nice if they'd signed their name. It is quite possible that a log written on one date and attributed to "The Formidine Rift Delta Mission" could have been written by a different crew member then whoever wrote the log entry for one of the other dates.

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That's not the thread I remember, but it's close enough. I had a thought that the crash site locations and the newly-discovered bases where somehow related.

They could be. We don't know much about this Caine Massey corporation, do we? I know that I started seeing their hoardings at stations after the release of 2.2 but that is about it.
 
sorry in advance for my stupidity.. also i didn't (yet) read the Drew's books..
so i am completely ignorant.

These Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta missions are a group of individiual persons ?
or all the mission's log are from the same group ?

i am asking this because from this last log:


it seems to me that is telling ''we are heading home... and suddenly we (basically) died..''

help me to understand please.

Seems to me like the expedition split into groups with their own tasks:

The Alpha mission crew all died from ejecting themselves into space
The Beta mission crew got marooned on a planet
The Gamma mission crew made it home safe
The Delta mission crew...

Gotta remember that this isn't just one ship, it's a whole fleet.
 
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I don't see the part where he said they died

I think its a confusion in the original question - I think its referring to the HG gamma log, where the logger says there was an accident.

So the two parts are unrelated: FR gamma mission heading home, HG gamma accident.
 
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they never came back at home... otherwise the word ''the missing'' has no sense at all and they were not missing at all.
something must been happen after that last log.
i wrote ''and we died'' for a logic thought.
 
they never came back at home... otherwise the word ''the missing'' has no sense at all and they were not missing at all.
something must been happen after that last log.
i wrote ''and we died'' for a logic thought.

Why do you assume that they are missing? Something must have happened after the last log but why couldn't that something have been them returning home safe and sound?

"The Missing" refers to everyone who has ever gone out into the black of space and never been heard from again. It doesn't necessarily refer to the Formidine Rift Delta Mission.
 
Two thoughts : can we safely assume the following?

1. At least part of these missions is the deployment of probes (listening devices?); possible 'repeat' operation being handled by Sirius now? (https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/07-OCT-3302)
2. The Old Woman was part of one of these missions - most likely candidate is the FR Gamma mission in my opinion, as we know they saw strange things, and it appears they did not perish.
 
Hi guys,
one thing which came to my mind. In the original CG where the beacons have been discovered there where two parties who wanted people to seach for the beacons/bases (or whatever else). One party was the Children of Raxxla and its understandable that they had some reasons for discovering the sites. However, the other party (I don't know if its was the Empire or someone else), why did they wanted those sites to be found if this is all part of some cover up? Had this been discussed? Just wondering what the motivation was...
 
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turning up gamma on the first pic i am pretty certain i can see it despite the shadow being enabled on it, so it it probably there althou hard to see ofc even when its not a JPG... (like ingame or any loss-less image type) the JPG makes it appear smaller too
so i really doubt there is a case of gfx features ON is removing game features. i could be wrong, but a non JPG image would show it more clearly despite the shadows enabled since JPG to loose very much detail in dark areas

but its still really hard spot, even with shadows OFF (and my eyes arent exactly good) it could be easier by far yupp (althou i wouldnt blame FD for sloppy programming or whatever: the more realistic graphics, ie less simple, the harder it will be spot pixel sized things, its a law of nature)

but FD.. please, a sort of surface scanner a la SRV that show anomalies etc.. as long as it dont reveal evrything in a blink of an eye... pun intended

It's not that the game removes it. It's that it's next to impossible to see.

ie exgoaltender said he flew right over that previously and didn't spot it, he then made a sad face.

It's very frustrating.

Would be useful if people add their thoughts here about their experiences trying to find these things.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...earch-improvement-requirement-amp-suggestions

As it stands we have Kerrash suggesting Frontier might not attempt to fix the issues because the audience isn't big enough (in the comments) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkUi4krJPwg&t=6880s

Which I don't agree with. I think it's just we tend not to complain as much as say the PvP folk.
 
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Hi guys,
one thing which came to my mind. In the original CG where the beacons have been discovered there where two parties who wanted people to seach for the beacons/bases (or whatever else). One party was the Children of Raxxla and its understandable that they had some reasons for discovering the sites. However, the other party (I don't know if its was the Empire or someone else), why did they wanted those sites to be found if this is all part of some cover up? Had this been discussed? Just wondering what the motivation was...

Federation - GalNet here: https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/17-NOV-3302
 
I think its a confusion in the original question - I think its referring to the HG gamma log, where the logger says there was an accident.

So the two parts are unrelated: FR gamma mission heading home, HG gamma accident.

Yeah ... I'm getting tired and getting all the various groups confused with each other.
 
It's not that the game removes it. It's that it's next to impossible to see.

ie exgoaltender said he flew right over that previously and didn't spot it, he then made a sad face.

It's very frustrating.

Would be useful if people add their thoughts here about their experiences trying to find there things.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...earch-improvement-requirement-amp-suggestions

As it stands we have Kerrash suggesting Frontier might not attempt to fix the issues because the audience isn't big enough (in the comments) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkUi4krJPwg

Which I don't agree with. I think it's just we tend not to complain as much as say the PvPers.

When I flew into Hawking's Gap Gamma today the top half the base (greenhouses on the hill) didn't render in until about 2.5km out. Not good.
 
Hi guys,
one thing which came to my mind. In the original CG where the beacons have been discovered there where two parties who wanted people to seach for the beacons/bases (or whatever else). One party was the Children of Raxxla and its understandable that they had some reasons for discovering the sites. However, the other party (I don't know if its was the Empire or someone else), why did they wanted those sites to be found if this is all part of some cover up? Had this been discussed? Just wondering what the motivation was...

My reading of the CG was that the Federation was the main group behind the request for data and CoR hijacked the request upon realization that it could be related to Salome's last words before she was captured by Patreus to be put on trial.

I don't think CoR had the slightest idea what they were looking for aside from answers to what Salome had meant when she sent out the following distress call: "Heavy fire...mayday! Imperial markings! Traitors... Shields are down, we're taking damage...it's... I thought I sensed his arrogance! How dare... We're being boarded. I only have moments. Please get word to the Children of Raxxla, tell them I have new information. The Rift, Hawkin's Gap and the Conflux are connected with strange happenings in the Pleiades. They must find out before..."

What tipped off the Federation? That I don't know...
 
The fates of the Dynasty Expedition:
A fleet of unmarked Anacondas sent out into the Rift, Conflux and Hawking's Gap carrying beacons and/or artefacts for some unknown purpose:

Formidine Rift Alpha: Crew dead; ejected themselves into space. Possible shipwreck to find?
Formidine Rift Beta: Crew marooned on a planet; power failure: could be survivors, could be dead, presumably the latter.
Formidine Rift Gamma: Successful mission, made it home.
Formidine Rift Delta:

Hawking's Gap Alpha: Successful mission?
Hawking's Gap Beta:
Hawking's Gap Gamma: Successful mission? Despite casualties with airlock "accident".
Hawking's Gap Delta: Successful mission?

Conflux Alpha:
Conflux Beta: Crew dead; hyperdicted and killed by unknown vessel.
Conflux Gamma:
Conflux Delta:

The question marks are there because there's no information to suggest that these crews' missions were interrupted, or they otherwise never made it home. I'm presuming that for lack of information, their missions went without further incident and they got home.

It is clear from the Hawking's Gap Delta logs that this whole undertaking was part of the same expedition - the Dynasty Expedition - and it was made up of a huge fleet of unmarked Anacondas that split and went to the Rift, Gap and Conflux, then split again into their various Alpha/Beta/Gamma/Delta mission teams. Evidently, at the moment it looks like the Conflux and Formidine Rift were the two most hazardous zones to be in. Hawking's Gap seemed to have been a walk in the park comparatively.

Did they all have artefacts?
Was this a privately funded venture?
What was the grand purpose of the expedition? What were they hoping to find/survey/harness?
What do these three areas of space actually have in common?
 
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Thanks @Jaiotu for the chronological summary. Reading that through, even with missing parts from the as-yet-undiscovered missions, it is enough to give some insights into their purpose and also raises a few questions. The questions it raises are more important than their purpose but I'll explain why at the end.
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I think the crewmember who thought that they were conducting a deep space survey was partly correct. These teams were devoted to travelling out farther than had been done (also note the quote 'even the explorers have not been out this way before', which becomes important later) and laying a series of beacons/satellites/artefacts in specific locations. This behaviour, to me, suggests a combination of early warning system and reconnaissance station: someone wanted to know who or what was operating in these locations. They may even have been a lure, baiting any intelligent civilisation with signals to get them to wander into the reconnaissance 'net'.
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The key questions that arise from this are:
  1. If no explorers had been that far out before, what was the motivation for sending the expedition to those specific locations?
  2. Was the timing of the mission important? One of the crewmembers thinks they were in a great hurry - was this just to reduce the mission duration?
  3. Who knew about and funded the mission?
  4. What technology do the beacons employ?
  5. Was any of the reported hyperspace phenomena real? Was the reported hyperdiction by the same civilisation that is now operating in the Pleiades?
Some possible, speculative answers:
  1. Information about those regions existed prior to the mission. If this did not come from explorers, then perhaps someone manged to decode navigational information from a crashed/captured alien ship?
  2. I do not know if any event was anticipated but it feels like this was being done 'asap', possibly at short notice. Their crew selection and training, not least psychological conditioning for the rigours of a long-duration mission, was lacking. I suspect that it may have been arranged as a result of either a discovery elsewhere, or in anticipation of the rapid development of fast hyperdrive technology, although the latter should have allowed them plenty of time so I favour the former: something happened around 3269-3270 that provided the motivation for the mission.
  3. The crews were partly acquired through regular advertisements on bulleting boards. That's a very public place: the superpowers would have known about the existence of the mission. If they were not arranging it themselves, they would have had plenty of opportunity to place agents aboard to monitor it. I suspect that potentially all three superpowers had a hand in it, although ultimate responsibility and funding could have been from any one or any combination of them.
  4. The beacons are clearly employing faster-than-light communications to report back but also send coded short-range transmissions. It is unclear if any Unknown Artefacts were present: none have been found at the bases, yet, nor in orbit - only the beacons. They look like human technology but the nature of their transmissions might have been inspired by something else. It may be telling that they are placed in numbers: a group of four beacons would be able to triangulate the location of a detected signal in 3D; this technique might also explain why three missions were sent - locating the origin of signals on a galactic scale (had any signals been detected previously from these directions, perhaps?).
  5. There is clearly some space madness but only one confirmed hyperdiction - in the Conflux. Other civilisations might have hyperdiction capability than the one we have encountered in the Pleiades, so no conclusions can be reached. One crewmember wisely reminds us that we know nothing about what hyperspace actually is and do not understand what we are seeing when we traverse it.
I would add that it occurs to me that the alien crash sites near the bubble only have Unknown Artefacts scattered where there is wreckage from human ships: the lone alien ship that was first discovered does not have any. Perhaps the Unknown Artefacts were being carried not by the alien ship but the human ships - perhaps they may even have been part of the same expedition? There's no telling how long they have been there. That could imply that the UA shell might even be of human manufacture!
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The reason why the questions are important here is that they imply that there are people in the bubble who have known or suspected for decades where they ought to be looking for signs of alien civilisation and activity. How they came by this information, we do not know. We do know, however, that specific regions of space have been permit-locked. I would remind people at this point that it is the Elite Federation of Pilots that is behind Galnet ( https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/29-JUL-3302 ) and which has the capability to lock off regions of the galaxy. Trust no one.
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A very well done to all those who have discovered the surface bases o7. That is remarkable work and I salute your dedication and your GPU capabilities!
 
I like Easter Eggs.

Caine Massey: David Massey wrote 6 of the 8 short stories in Stories Of Life On The Frontier that accompanied Frontier: Elite 2
Faulcon DeLacy: Robert Faulcon was a pen-name used by Robert Holdstock, author of The Dark Wheel novella that accompanied the 1984 release of the original Elite.

Edit: Elite needs a table-top Trivia game.

To round this out further, with some irreverent and likely irrelevant geekery : Caine is a place in the Calvados (Normandy) region of France. And deLacy is the Norman family name from Lassy, Calvados. Perhaps someone likes vacationing in Normandy.
 
Formidine Rift Alpha Mission
Finally fixed the drive, more monotony. Can't believe it's nearly six months sice we set out from Riedquat. Did I say Riedquat? I meant Reorte. It's getting to me, this endless emptiness. The guys are showing the strain. Three more months before we can turn and head back. The stars are thinning out, you can the whole galaxy just hanging there...

Whats with the Riedquat/Reorte mix up? If you were typing you would just correct, this shouts CLUE!!! to me...
 
It is clear from the Hawking's Gap Delta logs that this whole undertaking was part of the same expedition - the Dynasty Expedition - and it was made up of a huge fleet of unmarked Anacondas that split and went to the Rift, Gap and Conflux, then split again into their various Alpha/Beta/Gamma/Delta mission teams.

The problem is that Hawking's Gap Delta reports leaving as a fleet a full two months after some of the other groups report having been traveling for months and arriving at their destinations.

Formidine Rift Beta reports having passed the Heart & Soul nebulae on the same day that Hawking's Delta reports the massive Anaconda fleet gathering together.

I think you are partially right though: All the Alphas probably departed at the same time, the Betas a little later, Gamma later still and then finally Delta departed.
 
Formidine Rift Alpha Mission
Finally fixed the drive, more monotony. Can't believe it's nearly six months sice we set out from Riedquat. Did I say Riedquat? I meant Reorte. It's getting to me, this endless emptiness. The guys are showing the strain. Three more months before we can turn and head back. The stars are thinning out, you can the whole galaxy just hanging there...

Whats with the Riedquat/Reorte mix up? If you were typing you would just correct, this shouts CLUE!!! to me...

Yeah I don't get how you could mix up those two... BUT this was all a part of the same expedition, so they surely would have set off from the same location? Another of the logs explicitly states Riedquat without correcting to Reorte. I'm more inclined to think the Dynasty expedition came from Riedquat, and not Reorte.
 
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Two thoughts : can we safely assume the following?

1. At least part of these missions is the deployment of probes (listening devices?); possible 'repeat' operation being handled by Sirius now? (https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/07-OCT-3302)
2. The Old Woman was part of one of these missions - most likely candidate is the FR Gamma mission in my opinion, as we know they saw strange things, and it appears they did not perish.

I have similar thoughts.
1.a - Outpost are part of mission too.
2.b - I think about it and i can't find a reason that she cannot be part of it. (But I didn't read Drews books so mayby just missing some facts). In Alpha mission we have exact citation of her.
"The stars are thinning out, you can the whole galaxy just hanging there..." From Alpha log
and:
"The woman grimaced. "Stars thin out, you can see the whole galaxy just hanging there." from her video.
 
The problem is that Hawking's Gap Delta reports leaving as a fleet a full two months after some of the other groups report having been traveling for months and arriving at their destinations.

Formidine Rift Beta reports having passed the Heart & Soul nebulae on the same day that Hawking's Delta reports the massive Anaconda fleet gathering together.

I think you are partially right though: All the Alphas probably departed at the same time, the Betas a little later, Gamma later still and then finally Delta departed.

All part of the same umbrella expedition - just being sent out in waves.

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I have similar thoughts.
1.a - Outpost are part of mission too.
2.b - I think about it and i can't find a reason that she cannot be part of it. (But I didn't read Drews books so mayby just missing some facts). In Alpha mission we have exact citation of her.
"The stars are thinning out, you can the whole galaxy just hanging there..." From Alpha log
and:
"The woman grimaced. "Stars thin out, you can see the whole galaxy just hanging there." from her video.

It's possible she was an unlikely survivor of the disaster that befell the Alpha crew.
 
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