Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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QorbeQ

QorbeQ
The more I look at the overhead view of the ruins, the more I'm convincing myself that it's a large-scale glyph (or set of glyphs).

The similarity between the main disc to the Egyptian hieroglyph "Sun shining with rays" means that, to my mind, it's certainly depicting a star. If one assumes that it looms large because it's the nearest one, then the second disc is presumably a "smaller" star as it is further away. Which one of those in the system, who knows.

Note the Egyptian hieroglyph has the rays pointing downwards towards the ground, hence the orientation of the site for viewing purposes would then be "long-edge-vertically" - the two triangular groups of obelisks at B and E then point up and down respectively.

However, even if this was correct and miraculously when viewed from the "bottom" end (left-side on our typical viewpoint) a closer star appeared with a distant one to the lower-right of it in the sky, and lets say there were various other local bodies dotted around them in a similar manner to the lumps and bumps it STILL wouldn't "point" anywhere would it? It would just be a picture of a specific orbital alignment. Except for the bar into the middle. Perhaps that would align with "something".

Ummm..

*sigh* I'm rambling aren't I ...


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TheOneWithNoLife

TheOneWithNoLife
Rennard said:
1) "This data proves a theory I had that the written form of the Guardians' language is based around glyphs, with each glyph representing a single word. Once I've fully identified these, the process of separating tonal meanings should become much easier. The glyphs seem to be able to be combines to describe complex concepts, but also communicate additional layyers of meaning through the inclusion of movement. each glyph is a symbol. They are more abstract than pictoral hieroglyphics, but it's possible to identify a simplistic reference to the shape of the thing being described - for example, the glyph for 'moon' incorporates the waxing and waning as it would have appeared from the Guradians' homeworld."
Source: Ram Tah Language data decoded.


2) "At the top of the card is the crescent Moon. It is symbolically the waning Moon, but it would only appear in the sky as portrayed in the card during a partial eclipse of the Moon."

Source:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ejxvoR8x8IgC&pg=PA21&lpg=PA21&dq=thoth+waning&source=bl&ots=IvAf0n9Wu5&sig=WFUTnMayKbCUi-HZSEwSyLzzLJY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQ-OXMitjRAhWq7oMKHc1uCcsQ6AEIJzAC
As linked above by CMDR Tesla3E

3) Thoth is also a system in Elite Dangerous.


I do not believe in coincidence.
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Sooo we have found the Goa'ulds?
 

hitchhiker54

hitchhiker54
Regarding the new bookmarks popping up - I've had that happen a few times, and before the ruins started. Travelling back from colonia I noted a few odd ones and had written it off as a map hotkey to place them then pretty much forgotten about it. At the time I saw them I was spinning about the map a lot looking for weirdy stars (mostly neutrons) to scan and add to edsm/eddb for routing. Checking the contorls I see no hot key definable, and pressing stuff at random on my mouse in the map doesnt repeat random placement (I have an mmo mouse with 12 key side buttons then get hit by accident sometimes). Best guess is some glitch is pressing the bookmark icon on screen after viewing a system and scrolling off.
 

Gurnea

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Thinking along the lines of "egyptian", etc. and apologising if this has been covered in everyone's most elementary of deductions, what if it takes the form of the Great Pyamid's alignment with Orion's belt?
if the two circular mounds are the two visible nebulae and the long pointy thing is effectively an arrow pointing to the location of the next ruin?

I've not got the skills to make an overlay, but it may be worth considering.

For science!
 

Thatchinho

Thatchinho
knowles2 said:
They don't match the ruins technology in shape or form or function.

Either they are Thargoids that have undergone a greater transformation from wireframe to full 3d models or they are a third race Frontier is introducing into the elite Universe.
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Both are valid possibilities! But so is Jorki's - the ruins are ancient and a lot could have changed since then.
 

Azimuth

Azimuth
bAdbUd said:
I did suggest this a day or so ago, but it didn't get picked up. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...9-The-Canonn?p=5045202&viewfull=1#post5045202
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I did wonder whether the two-prong relic tower was supposed to be some sort of lighthouse / directional marker - it's on a hill and should be easier to see from the side with the missing piece. I did try driving on a bearing of 300 from it for a bit, then realised trying to drive up and down canyons was pretty painful, and stopped.

I also wondered whether the gaps between multiple obelisk pairs were supposed to be used as sighting lines, possibly to identify a direction, or maybe a time (with the angled set of four possibly marking four objects simultaneously), but didn't really get much further than idly guessing and driving round in circles :)
 

ExoForce

ExoForce
Sorry all, I am a troll.

I believe this is the picture of the city

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And when the moon is 22% degrees to the right from the top of group A, we should stand above point K and watch toward relics to see where they went away.

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Cannot prove it, thank You on Your patience, my last post on this topic.
 
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JezH146

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QorbeQ said:
I don't suppose anyone who has correctly scanned all 13 base (solo) obelisks in one session has checked their bookmarks have they...?
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Just scanned all of the basic data caches last night (restarting the mission). Just checked and all my bookmarks are sound with nothing added or taken away. Sorry.
 

ccavalero

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Guys, what about Mengy's Map theory? I mean, look to the math this guy have done, I don't think it is coincidence, the only downside for me is that the systems he found have a some plantes to look into and I tried man, I really tried, if there wasn't a CG I would be there right now, but how we are supposed to find such a tiny place in a hole planet? My best guess was the same coordinates that the ancient ruins are in the second land-able planet. But I found nothing...
Here is the link for his map if anyone haven't seen this before: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223496247&postcount=8087
It's two month old stuff, that for me, makes a hell lot of sense.
 

DialBforBiscuit

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QorbeQ said:
I don't suppose anyone who has correctly scanned all 13 base (solo) obelisks in one session has checked their bookmarks have they...?
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I did this, no bookmark.

Edit: I wanted to try this but didn't, scanning relics with item combinations for the 'open only' obelisks to see if that would unlock them. Bug or not, its in the programming for those to light up and the mechanic is still unknown.
 
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Nutter

Nutter
#Tinfoilhat

Unknown Artefact = Is an early warning probe which scans all ships and reports back it’s findings to it’s owners
The Shell = The ‘Net’ of UA’s surrounding Merope to catch first signs of the Alien ship activity which I think is going to be our most significant enemy.
Unknown Probe = Is a weapon designed and used to temporally disable the Powerful AI ships
AI Ships = Unseen and not discovered (Yet) – but from what we have learned so far – not friendly
Hyperdicting Flower Ship/Creature = Certainly not the tech of AI and is outfitted with the same Unknown Probe Technology for disabling conventional ships – Creatures are unaffected
Alien Ruin = Old base of unnamed Aliens who harnessed creatures for weapons, split into two distinct races and creator of the Enemy AI
Barnacles = Created by the unnamed aliens to manufacture the materials required for controlling the creatures and grafting of weapons and cockpit.

That's my take on the situation o7
 

Thatchinho

Thatchinho
Thatchinho said:
An update on this. I've now identified many candidate systems. Way too many in fact, and I need to work through and apply some more cuts. However I wanted to put up a few closeby candidates in the interim, and also put up the approach in case anyone else want to replicate.

Please note that although it works to a certain extent, there are flaws in the approach and it can be improved on.

Approach:

  1. Get required systems info (name, x, y, z)
  2. Order systems by spherical distance from ruins system
  3. For each system (A) use the next closest system to the ruins system (B) as one reference and the ruins system (R) as the other. (This is where the main flaw is), and calculate:
    • a. How close A and B are to being equidistant to R
    • b. How close the distance between A and B is to 2*(the distance from A to R). - this tests for the systems being in a straight line (in terms of the geometric shapes, this is for the scenario that the ruins are the in the midpoint of an edge and A and B are the vertex.)
    • c. How close the distance between A and B is to the distance from A to R. - this tests for the systems being in a the shape of an equilateral triangle
    • d. How close the distance between A and B is to (1/sin45)*(the distance from A to R). - this tests for the systems being in the shape of the corner (i.e. 3 vertices) of a square.
    • e. How close the distance between A and B is to 1/sin60*(the distance from A to R). - this tests for the systems being in the shape of the corner (i.e. 3 vertices) of a hexagon.
  4. Check for systems where a. and one of (b, c, d or e) are close to zero
Again, this has resulted in many candidate systems. Comparing each system to more than just the next closest system to the ruins will result in even more. More checks to reduce the candidates are needed and I will add these. Some other checks I currently have in mind are whether the shape can be completed (for squares and hexagons), and can a tesselation be found (for squares, triangles and hexagons.)

Anyway, for the moment, here's the closest good candidates to the ruins system, one for each shape:

(Please bear in mind again that this is just for an update. I am in no way saying that there will be another site at these systems.)

ShapeSystem ASystem BApprox distance to ruins (ly)Difference from being exact shape (ly)
Straight lineSynuefe QJ-D b46-2Synuefe BJ-F a93-327.50.051
TriangleSynuefe WU-N c23-13Synuefe BO-F a93-019.30.090
SquareSynuefe HP-D a94-2Synuefe ZH-H a92-021.10.074
HexagonHIP 38413Synuefe AD-H a92-110.90.072
Also, although I've been thinking about this for a while as evidenced by what I've said in various posts about the monolith network being interstellar and geometrically shaped, I suspect I was also partially subconsciously influenced by a post from a few days ago by Muetdhiver which I've read since but don't remember from the time. As I was very very tired that day there's a reasonable chance I did see it when reading through a big batch of posts and just don't remember consciously thinking about it. So, Muetdhiver, my apologies, I didn't intentionally copy your idea, and if anything does actually end up coming out of this then all credit is shared.
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An update on this. Last night I started comparing systems to the next but one closest system to the ruins (as opposed to comparing to the next closest system as I have done on the previous iteration). I've then looked again for close matches to the corners of key geometrical shapes. Lot's of candidates again. For equilateral triangles and hexagons I've then cross referenced against the candidates from the previous iteration to try to look for a tessellating pattern surrounding the ruins system.

Zero matches so far. Still a work in progress though, need to double check formulae are working correctly and check other shapes.
 
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jimbeau1571

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So frustrated with the ruins site and the inconsistancy of the messages. Sometimes i get them sometimes i dont. Log otu, log in and find the obelisks ive scanned but got no message from needs rescanning. Suc ashame FD, such a shame.
 

Thatchinho

Thatchinho
Nutter said:
#Tinfoilhat

Unknown Artefact = Is an early warning probe which scans all ships and reports back it’s findings to it’s owners
The Shell = The ‘Net’ of UA’s surrounding Merope to catch first signs of the Alien ship activity which I think is going to be our most significant enemy.
Unknown Probe = Is a weapon designed and used to temporally disable the Powerful AI ships
AI Ships = Unseen and not discovered (Yet) – but from what we have learned so far – not friendly
Hyperdicting Flower Ship/Creature = Certainly not the tech of AI and is outfitted with the same Unknown Probe Technology for disabling conventional ships – Creatures are unaffected
Alien Ruin = Old base of unnamed Aliens who harnessed creatures for weapons, split into two distinct races and creator of the Enemy AI
Barnacles = Created by the unnamed aliens to manufacture the materials required for controlling the creatures and grafting of weapons and cockpit.

That's my take on the situation o7
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Which AI's do you mean? The guardians', ours, or those from other species? :)
 

Justicar_Thorn

J
Unrelated maybe...

Went out to HIP 17403 crash site. Noticed lights and was scanned 3 times with no other ships in area while in solo Mode. Landed, drove around, got back in ship and was scanned 3 times again. Is this typical for this site?

This is the one with all the crashed ships around it, for reference
 

iFred

I
Based_Belial said:
Unrelated maybe...

Went out to HIP 17403 crash site. Noticed lights and was scanned 3 times with no other ships in area while in solo Mode. Landed, drove around, got back in ship and was scanned 3 times again. Is this typical for this site?

This is the one with all the crashed ships around it, for reference
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Yes, the UA´s are scanning you.
 

Mengy

Mengy
FunkBubble said:
I've noticed that since the CG ended some systems on the galaxy map have gotten bookmarked and it wasn't me that did it, one of them was even a planet that was bookmarked so I had a look at its map and there was nothing that would interest me enough for me to bookmark it, so it definitely wasn't me.

Is anyone else having this or is it just me?
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Okay wait, other people are finding bookmarks that they don’t remember placing too???? :eek:

Over a month ago, after spending a lot of time at the ruins doing research for my map theory, I at one point noticed that I had a bookmark out under the Heart & Soul Nebula on a system which I’d never been too. I was honestly so intrigued that I actually flew out there to investigate, but it was a dud of a system that didn’t even have any landables in it. In the end I figured I’d placed it by accident, a misclick or something, while I was laying out where the R-R line goes through (this was right after I’d realized that a ground line at the old ruins precisely mapped out the R-R line).

How many others are noticing randomly placed bookmarks too? Is this an actual thing related to the ruins?
 
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