Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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Factabulous

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Jmanis said:
Just putting this one out there, IC 2391 Sector GW-V b2-4 A 1 sits at a nice 315K (40C) and 0.38G, which is "close enough for government work", so that's my first stop. Next furthest from the primary star is like, 222K (-50C), so way out of range compared to the known ruins.

Starting at 0 Lat, 140 Long, moving along that longitude at a 0 bearing.
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Good point IC 2391 Sector ZE-A d101 C3 is 300k, not quite as toasty, but once I've detail scanned I'll be back. No beacons, some usual USS, no NPC so far.
 

Codger

Codger
danteuk said:
Me thinking the same, but ...

Here is a pointless thought - No one go looking!! we have NO TOOLS to search a planet - which makes ZERO sense - we need FDev to give as proper scanners NOW!!!
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Having just spent a number of hours of my life searching for one of the relay posts in the Conflux, I pretty much agree with you. It's like someone telling you to come by their house, and then when you ask for the address they say "Planet Earth."

Trying to scour a planet visually is ridiculous gameplay. It amazes me that anything is ever found.

Huge props to those who have that kind of patience, though.
 

Rampant

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danteuk said:
I'm curious , where is 0,0 ? more importantly, who decided where 0,0 is? I thought most planets wobble around a centeral-ish axis, so logically 0,0 is some sort of average of the center at the 'top' of the planet, define top?, from whoms' perspective?
We ( as a species ) have have decided which way up the galaxy should be viewed. It's just as likely an alien race might decide on the opposite way.
It gives me a headache to think about it, but at some point in history, someone decided our magnetic north, was up and south is down. Logically the north and south poles of any planet are dependant on your ships rotation at the time of viewing, our ships have no UI to tell us how we are rotated in space relative to the galactic plane, so we have to manually figure it out based on our known location and how the star field looks, which is fine on edge of the galaxy but impossible when you get close to the center. So getting back to my pointless point, which way is up ?
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----- SIMPLIFIED story of DIRECTION -----

*Originally*, mankind defined the direction East, because this is where the sun was born each day. Everything was measured relative to sunrise. (And sunset)

(As an aside, the prehistoric races of the Egyptians, Aztecs, Mayans and others *appeared* to also have had knowledge that the Earth has a very-long-term wobble called precession that takes around 26,000 years to complete 1 revolution.)

A great many of the existing prehistoric monuments are aligned with sunrise and sunset. Sunrise and Sunset on particular days had special significance...

Later on, we discovered that the Earth wasn't flat. Also, the rotation of the non-flat Earth was such that there were points on the Earth's surface that the axis of rotation passed through straight - the so called North and South Poles.
We also discovered independently from these 2 things that the Earth has a magnetic field. It was a happy coincidence that the magnetic field was also relatively closely aligned to the North and South Poles.

We now use North as the Prime measure of direction, simply because we had magnetic pointers that gave us a permanent and direct read-out of North (instead of having to rely on the non-constant direction of sunrise)



We have evolved the idea of the Earth as a globe and now use a standard "degree of arc" measurement to define latitude and longitude.
The equator is equi-distant from the poles. This is 0° latitude. North Pole is +90° lat. South Pole is -90° lat.
The distance of measure for the "nautical mile" is derived from degrees latitude. Every 1° of latitude is equal to 60 nautical miles. One minute of latitude is 1 nautical mile. Since the Earth is not a perfect sphere (more of an "oblate spheroid" with flattened poles and fatter around the equator), 1 nautical mile is not a constant measure of distance. It is *around* 6,000 feet, but more at the equator and less at the poles.

A non-constant measure of distance is not a great idea, so we now use the statute mile or kilometre. Statute mile is a constant multiple of feet or yards. kilometre is French and derived by dividing up the distance from Paris to the North Pole...

(ED uses kilometre by default :) so is a standard and constant measure and doesn't depend on the nautical mile and therefore isn't a different distance on each planet depending on the size of the planet.)


Longitude is the wild card. I do wonder how ED has defined the 0° longitude meridian for each planet/moon. Perhaps it was the meridian closest to it's parent body at the clock time 0 seconds, after the procedural generation had taken place, but before the galaxy was set in motion. I don't even know how North and South are defined in ED - is it a constant whereby looking down on a body from above the North Pole, the body always appears to revolve counter-clockwise? I haven't checked?

Regardless, there is some commonly defined 0° meridian of latitude for each and every eavenly body, and we each see the same coordinated through our hi-tec 3303 space-ship's and SRV's navigation computer...


Yours Aye

Mark H
 

Neakas

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artigan99 said:
Having just spent a number of hours of my life searching for one of the relay posts in the Conflux, I pretty much agree with you. It's like someone telling you to come by their house, and then when you ask for the address they say "Planet Earth."

Trying to scour a planet visually is ridiculous gameplay. It amazes me that anything is ever found.

Huge props to those who have that kind of patience, though.
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wouldnt any new ruins need "Line of Sight" to the Original Ruins?(Guess, because of Monolith Network) That would narrow it down atleast a little bit, wouldnt it?
 

walaykin

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Ok, there are a lot of landable bodies in Synuefe ZL-J d10-119 - 26 in fact. Basically three groups (ignoring non-landable):

1. close-in, hot (1000K to 450K by distance), high-G (0.5-2G) planets -1,2,3,4,5 (N.B. -2 is actually lower-G but still high temp)
2. medium distance gas-giant moons, 4 around -7 and 3 around -9, around 0.15G and 210K
3. longer distance gas-giant moons around -11,12,13,14,15,16 at around 0.1G and 120-160K

No immediate excellent matches for our existing ruins except the Y-class dwarf plus two moons (-14 B and -14C)

Going to scout around -14B
 

QorbeQ

QorbeQ
And I'm at work :(

And then football training for youngest :(

And then food :( (oh, wait, that's :) )

And then bedtime story :(

And then socialise with the other half (no appropriate smiley)

And THEN... if you guys haven't found them all by then... THEN I can get my little Aspy bum over to one of the systems.

(Still think [hope] there's a clue at the original ruins though...)


o7
 

Kloopy

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Neakas said:
wouldnt any new ruins need "Line of Sight" to the Original Ruins?(Guess, because of Monolith Network) That would narrow it down atleast a little bit, wouldnt it?
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Thankfully it should be pretty quick to disprove this theory. At the known ruins are any of the other systems NOT in the visible sky? If just one of them isn't, we can discount this theory.

However, if all 4 are then it should be fairly easy to estimate whether they stay in the visible sky for all of the body's 5.9 Earth-day day. If they do, this could really help narrow down the latitudes that need investigating in the other systems!
 

Neakas

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Kloopy said:
Thankfully it should be pretty quick to disprove this theory. At the known ruins are any of the other systems NOT in the visible sky? If just one of them isn't, we can discount this theory.

However, if all 4 are then it should be fairly easy to estimate whether they stay in the visible sky for all of the body's 5.9 Earth-day day. If they do, this could really help narrow down the latitudes that need investigating in the other systems!
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Yea thats my thought exactly.
 

Codger

Codger
Lorgius said:
Someone should post, again, the graphic settings that are best for searching structures from 5km flight. I think it was all at minimum with rendering range on maximum? Formidine Rift crew have some success in last days but I think they know planets.
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I don't think there's a setting that works for everyone. I was out at the Conflux just this weekend. I went to one of the known sites first, and fussed with my graphics settings to see if it was more visible with shadows off, or texture turned down, because some people had suggested that.

For me, it was most visible with everything turned up to High or Ultra.

Best bet is to test it yourself.
 

Nagual

Nagual
Octanoz said:
Has to be!

"'Divine' their exact location"? Guess Ram Tah is not a native English speaker either...
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Why? That's perfectly understandable and correct. :)

PS.. Anyone have any info regarding Stellar Cartography being off due to "Alien Interference" in the Pleiades ?
 
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Lorgius

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artigan99 said:
I don't think there's a setting that works for everyone. I was out at the Conflux just this weekend. I went to one of the known sites first, and fussed with my graphics settings to see if it was more visible with shadows off, or texture turned down, because some people had suggested that.

For me, it was most visible with everything turned up to High or Ultra.

Best bet is to test it yourself.
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Oh. Ok.

I had lot's of troubles recently with finding even this ruins. Don't know how it will work for me with new ones. Maybe I will get out of orbital cruise crashing on ones :)
 
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