Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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Yuzral

Yuzral
Well, it's more useful than my Launchpad theory that just said 'somewhere near the equator'. I'm heading back to civilisation for a bit. 23 jumps to Meene...

Edit: Although I have to note that the theory relies on our knowing about which systems to look in, which we only have because the network is still at least partially operational. If the network had completely failed, there are a *lot* of gas giants out there.
 
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Leadfoot

Leadfoot
FunkBubble said:
In response to all the people who are saying to search synuefe xo-p yadayada d1,

I've been there since we were told the four systems and I can say with about 66.6% confidence that all there is to find is creepy sounds, module malfunctions, equipment failure and me in my aspx uncontrollably bouncing more than flying along the surface while surprisingly taking no shield or hull damage.

But still, search away and don't let me stop ya o7
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It won't. I'm near 12.0 / -12 in the buggy at the moment. If something goes buggy, it won't bother me in the buggy.

Thatchinho said:
CMDR T3RO I KTULU said:
of course , im nuts sometime
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Would you post them on here once you've got them? Would be good to have them on hand! Thanks in advance!
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I have some marbles that someone seems to have lost in this thread. Not sure if they're mine or if they belong to someone else. That's how crazy this search has been.
 
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JamyThegreat

J
paletz said:
I've been staring at the first ancient ruins map for the past couple hours and I think I have something.

The first thought is that the ruins themselves are perhaps intended to be a failsafe map of the network. The obelisks would tell you everything if they were functional.

But if they fail, they probably fail due to passage of time, a long one. In that time stars would probably shift so you can't just point to the direction of the next site. Instead you have to describe the star system.

Now humans would describe the star system, because Earth is a planet. However, guardians may originate from a moon of a gas giant and as a result they may consider gas giants much more important. So perhaps they would not describe the star system, but just the gas giant and it's moons.

Please, rate my craziness:
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Only one binary gas giant matches the interpretation, SYNUEFE ZL-J D10-119 12 & 13, and therefore I divine that the ancient ruins are located on SYNUEFE ZL-J D10-119 12 A. The moon is indeed landable.

Now either someone show me where I made a mistake or someone who has a bit of understanding of astronomy figure out which part of that moon would always see the first ancient ruins. I don't believe in -31, -128 nor in combing the entire moon :)
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Interesting theory on the binary planets there... While I'm not so sure on it involving a binary of a gas giant or ringed planet... a binary pair of rocky bodies is plausible... There are 2 in IC 2391 Secot ZE-A d101, 1 in IC 2391 Sector GW-V b2-4, 1 in Synuefe XO-P c22-17 & as you've said, a couple of binary gas giant's, but also 1 binary 'moon' or dead planets...

if we are looking for 4 new sites, perhaps this comparison would help... The ruin site 1 will have some clue in it from FD... They wouldn't just throw it at us without any indication whatsoever... perhaps we need to search the binary planets more carefully seeing as each of these 4 systems has at least 1 of those
 

morph113

morph113
paletz said:
I've been staring at the first ancient ruins map for the past couple hours and I think I have something.

The first thought is that the ruins themselves are perhaps intended to be a failsafe map of the network. The obelisks would tell you everything if they were functional.

But if they fail, they probably fail due to passage of time, a long one. In that time stars would probably shift so you can't just point to the direction of the next site. Instead you have to describe the star system.

Now humans would describe the star system, because Earth is a planet. However, guardians may originate from a moon of a gas giant and as a result they may consider gas giants much more important. So perhaps they would not describe the star system, but just the gas giant and it's moons.

Please, rate my craziness:
http://i.imgur.com/zbY4bil.png

Only one binary gas giant matches the interpretation, SYNUEFE ZL-J D10-119 12 & 13, and therefore I divine that the ancient ruins are located on SYNUEFE ZL-J D10-119 12 A. The moon is indeed landable.

Now either someone show me where I made a mistake or someone who has a bit of understanding of astronomy figure out which part of that moon would always see the first ancient ruins. I don't believe in -31, -128 nor in combing the entire moon :)
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I have no idea if this is right or not but even if it is not right. It would totally work and FD should take this as an example on how to build puzzles because your explanation would totally make sense. Everything is a little abstract and hard to figure out but it absolutely works.

But I still have to give a BUT. Since it's a network and there are (highly likely) more than 2 sites. Why do they only map 1 site in this particular ancient site? Also, I know it's probably supposed to be a puzzle but what why would the guardians build it to look like a map from a top down view? I mean they already know themselves where it is and it doesn't seem that they built the communication network to be found by other species. But maybe that's overthinking it and FD simply didn't think that far and just put down a little puzzle.

If this does lead to the other site. Then maybe the other site looks similar but a little different and we could work out the next location by doing the same thing you just did.
 

Lobey

Lobey
xXxSatelliteNetxXx said:
POI is totally random generation of algorithms,

Ruins do not show as a POI, you getting excited about nothing
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I know that - however poi's are very, very rare out here and I did notice that they do tend to randomly pop up more frequently near other ingame stuff like the ruins and abandoned bases - whether this is generated by cmdrs being in the area or "something" about the area itself making it more likley to spawn them I'm not sure. But that's 2 pois in 2 mins near that one spot - and 1 in 4 hours previous to that - might just be rng, but still.
 

Thatchinho

Thatchinho
Could the artefacts help find the other sites?

Do cmdrs in the target system have artefacts with them?

If so, it might be worth trying jettisoning them in space and on the planets. I'm primarily thinking the orb and the relic, as:

  • The orb has some kind of mechanical function
  • The relic seems to be some kind of power source.

Might be worth a shot with others though too.

Who knows, maybe some kind of direction or destination indication will happen. Very unlikely admittedly but a lot quicker and easier to check then a search of the entire systems.

Could cmdrs also post photos of the relics in the systems/on the planets, in particular showing the triangular patterns on the relic (like the ones that show up on the obelisks) and the object inside the relic.

The triangular pattern is set on the relics at the ruins. If that changes in any way in the other systems it could be useful information.
 

Andy Young

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If so, it might be worth trying jettisoning them in space and on the planets. I'm primarily thinking the orb and the relic, as:

The orb has some kind of mechanical function
The relic seems to be some kind of power source.
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I did it like 30 min ago. Nothing happend.
 

frumious

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fourty6to3 said:
Who wants to join me with going on an exploration strike until FD implement some actual tools? One single planet that is able to be searched is over 7 million square kilometers and the only way of finding anything is with our eyeballs? No thanks. I think I'm done looking for anything until FD actually provide some consistency to exploration. Persistent POI's of anything meaningful doesn't even show up on our scanners, for crying out loud.

I mean look at us. We're tuning our graphical and audio settings, making spreadsheets, coding bearing calculators, and arguing over theories about line of sight (as if FDev were even inclined to be as in depth).

As much as I'm interested in discovering more about the Guardians, I think the better good would be to halt all exploration activities and send a message to FDev that we don't appreciate their disregard of players' time, and let them know that we aren't satisfied with the current state of exploration (lack of tools).
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I have never listened to such a bunch of work shy slackers. I bet every single one of you has spent hours in here whinging. Hours and hours.
Sit down with a pen and paper and work out how long an asp at 300m/s will take to fly 100KM, now work out how long it will take to cover a box 100km by 100km - its about 4hours allowing for turning, picking your nose and making several cups of coffee. AND thats for an overlapping search pattern! A few hundred commanders could cover a smallish moon or planet in a day. How many members in mobius? Cannaon?
We could have eliminated dozens of planets by now.
Get out of the forum until you have found something worth posting.
As was pointed out 60 pages back if we find one more ruin it probably gives us enough information to make better estimates of where the others are............

Frumious"twitterstorm" Bandersnatch
 

CMDR Vox-Lee

CMDR Vox-Lee
This thread has turned into "clutching at straws." I'm sorry to add a negative note here, but I feel very strongly that everyone's efforts in theorizing all the different ways to find the ruins is pointless. We were given systems to search... as a lot of cmdrs are searching them at this moment, that is what needs to be focused on. Not more and more theory that are so obscure that I have stopped reading them. I am loving the community, but there is gonna be a lot of hours wasted and hearts broken if we go too far in trying to understand something that is... well... nihility.

Might I add, I was pulled into this a little. But now I'm getting on with other things to aid the discovery... in game and off paper
 
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Mengy

Mengy
Based_Belial said:
So any revelations in the last 20 pages?
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CMDR_Cosmicspacehead said:
Indiana Jones had better clues.
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fourty6to3

fourty6to3
frumious said:
I have never listened to such a bunch of work shy slackers. I bet every single one of you has spent hours in here whinging. Hours and hours.
Sit down with a pen and paper and work out how long an asp at 300m/s will take to fly 100KM, now work out how long it will take to cover a box 100km by 100km - its about 4hours allowing for turning, picking your nose and making several cups of coffee. AND thats for an overlapping search pattern! A few hundred commanders could cover a smallish moon or planet in a day. How many members in mobius? Cannaon?
We could have eliminated dozens of planets by now.
Get out of the forum until you have found something worth posting.
As was pointed out 60 pages back if we find one more ruin it probably gives us enough information to make better estimates of where the others are............

Frumious"twitterstorm" Bandersnatch
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SCAB!!

4 hours to search 10,000km2. How many more hours for 7 million km2 with nothing but your eyeballs to help and no way of knowing if that SINGLE planet is worth searching in the first place?

What do we want?! Search tools!
When do we want it?! 2.3!
 

Kevin Kyle

Kevin Kyle
OK, here is my theory on where we might find the ruins. If you look at the ruins site, you will see that its orbit and rotation are exactly the same except the rotation is in the negative direction and therefore it doesnt rotate in relation to the galaxy so it always faces the same direction. So, If, let me repeat that IF......LOS is really important as I believe it is, then only a handful of planets and moons in the other 4 systems would qualify as candidates. One thing though, I did not check if any of them orbited on the opposite direction so there is that. That being said the only ones that match that condition are Synuefe XO-P C22-17 ...AB1, AB3, C3A, and D1 / Synuefe ZL-J D10-119 ..11B. Neither of the other systems have any such planets or moons that I know of which could be because of lack of info. Only way to verify that is to go there and scan or find the info somewhere. But, the point is, these bodies do not rotate in relation to the galaxy. Ideal candidates for a LOS communication system in ancient times or today. Just my idea on it. Still like looking for a needle in a haystack if my theories are even close to correct.
 
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