Unfortunately, these appear to be pretty much the options regardless. If I'm right, the choices are 1) search and hope or 2) wait for next clue to appear out of the ether; if I'm wrong, the choices are 1) search and hope, 2) study (the first site) and hope or 3) wait for the next clue to appear out of the ether. Though I believe it is the former, I would certainly recommend the latter as it is better to look in too many places than in too few.
Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn
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Unfortunately, these appear to be pretty much the options regardless. If I'm right, the choices are 1) search and hope or 2) wait for next clue to appear out of the ether; if I'm wrong, the choices are 1) search and hope, 2) study (the first site) and hope or 3) wait for the next clue to appear out of the ether. Though I believe it is the former, I would certainly recommend the latter as it is better to look in too many places than in too few.
I vote for option 2.
Study the site! Throw idea's around! Some of them may yet collide and provide a clue
Yes there were a good few people trying to make sense of them back when the site was first discovered.
I'm struggling to find a image set of them, if you know where I can find one then can you point me in the right direction, can't make it out to the ruins myself. Gives me something to do while scanning.
We don't deserve his wisdom apperantlyWhere is that guy that told us he had it all solved and posted a photo of a crater?
The symbols are faded which doesn't help matters, but..
http://imgur.com/a/yjbLG
The various theories were:
- they relate to the glyphs on the obelisks (overlaying these patterns on the obelisks, although no-one found anything).
- they relate to cluster C. (if we could light up the obelisks, you could make those shapes).
- they are some form of numerical sign language.
Unfortunately, no-one made any progress beyond theories.
I think you're right.
At the same time, there is clearly a lot of minds working hard to crack the location if it has any relation to the initial ruins, so heres hoping.
As I discussed with another player earlier, maybe the Ruins dont actually point anywhere. Maybe this is the narrative FD (Ruins discovery, Ram's Ruins mission, Community Goal, narrowing down the location) want to take resulting in total control of how the story is told. They lost that with XDeath's discovery and may not want to make the same mistake again.
My guess is, that this is simply an artistic detail to make it look good for us rather than to have any meaning. I mean what could that possibly mean? I mean you can try and wrap your head around it, but I would say it doesn't look like it's worth it.
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thanks, i'll see if my blurry vision helps makes heads or tails of anything.
Looks like the artifact is leaking some glowing fluids
"Maybe theruins don't point anywhere". This may very well be, but I'd rather try that than surface scan all those planets with the MK1 eyeball!
"FD wants to control the narrative this time". the thing that stops me agreeing with this idea is this quote from the news article providing the new systems:
"Locating these sites is of central importance to our ongoing research, which is why I am encouraging the galactic community to explore these systems. Together, we can further our understanding of this fascinating race."
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Hmmmm....
looks like FD is testing randomly generated fungoid planetside assets.
I just take this as a hint towards atmo-landings on the horizon.
Have fun puzzling, i am out, this whole blind search for anything
paired with obvious instancing issues is not for me.
looks like FD is testing randomly generated fungoid planetside assets.
I just take this as a hint towards atmo-landings on the horizon.
Have fun puzzling, i am out, this whole blind search for anything
paired with obvious instancing issues is not for me.
I dont think we will find the Ruins with brute forcing all planets like this.. it will take a long time.. to much ground to cover...and a small detail is easy to miss. I think we have to study the first ruins more now we know the 4 systems, and maybe finding that missing relic.
Or we can just try to find the site based on this screenshot lol
Or we can just try to find the site based on this screenshot lol
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I would just like to mention that this picture was already dismissed as purely artistic work to show off all the new stuff in the guardians update. It shows ruins, ship launched fighters, geysers etc. all in one picture. I'm not saying it is, but it was dismissed by most as purely artistic show off.
Favorable Lagrange points planets for Guardian ship parking
Tinfoil hat ON: Look for new Guardian base on planetary system, which made it easier to launch their ships in space and park at Lagrange points.
Facts:
1) Lagrange points are places in space where gravity between planetary and stellar objects exert equal gravity, where a ship could effectively park and maintain parking with minimal energy, waiting for pickup from a larger ship.
2) The Guardians favored electro-magnetic propulsion to launch ships off planets.
3) First guardian base had a very nearby moon in orbit.
Theory: To launch ships with the least needed power with electro-magnetic launchers, the Guardians may favor planetary systems with the most efficiently reachable Lagrange points. Therefore look for close orbit binary planets/moon systems. Also look at more complex planet/moon/brown dwarf systems like first base location where Lagrange point is above the base at a short distance.
To learn more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_point
Caveats: ED Dev may not think like Guardians so base placement may be random...
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Tinfoil hat ON: Look for new Guardian base on planetary system, which made it easier to launch their ships in space and park at Lagrange points.
Facts:
1) Lagrange points are places in space where gravity between planetary and stellar objects exert equal gravity, where a ship could effectively park and maintain parking with minimal energy, waiting for pickup from a larger ship.
2) The Guardians favored electro-magnetic propulsion to launch ships off planets.
3) First guardian base had a very nearby moon in orbit.
Theory: To launch ships with the least needed power with electro-magnetic launchers, the Guardians may favor planetary systems with the most efficiently reachable Lagrange points. Therefore look for close orbit binary planets/moon systems. Also look at more complex planet/moon/brown dwarf systems like first base location where Lagrange point is above the base at a short distance.
To learn more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_point
Caveats: ED Dev may not think like Guardians so base placement may be random...
Tinfoil hat OFF
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Yeah, its super negative point of view and not helpful for moral but one I cant shake given the lack of natural unguided progression in the quest so far.
Im happy to continue to search and not about to give up. Anyone who have ranked up with Empire or Federation or been commended with an Elite rank knows our game is as much about the journey as the destination!
What about the 3 Hexagons with the illuminated triangles? I sat for a half hour trying to do that thing where you defocus your eyes and see the picture in the collage of colors. Did anyone video them and compare them from different obelisks?
Wanted to take a few minutes to throw some ideas into the pot. I've seen a lot of ideas being passed around and the following points seem to make the most sense to me.
Firstly, FD changed the layout of the site once the first ruins discovery was made. This could be for the following reasons:
- It was wrong when it was initially implemented
- It was adjusted to allow for finding the next sites in the link
Second, the changed items were the layout of the pillars and some of the obelisk groups. This would indicate that they were all relevant to the puzzle in some way.
Third, the pillars seem to line up with three or four of the new systems. This has got me thinking that perhaps each site maps the location of the closest three outposts/ruins that the guardians had. For those pillars to be a useful map they need to 'anchor' on something known. The anchor probably makes most sense to be the planet the ruins are on. If there wasn't an anchor, you could find a group of four star systems that have that shape anywhere and at almost any scale.
In commenting on this third point, my only issue with that is that why would FD change the layout? Surely each site they've put down has a similar combination system. It shouldn't matter whether this was the first, second or fiftieth site so long as all had a similar pattern embedded in them to help find the next systems to search.
Fourth, the obelisk layout must have some bearing on things. It does at times feel like the group of obelisks 'point' towards something. But at this point what that is doesn't seem clear. There are no theories I've seen so far that add up properly.
Fifth, the layout of the rest of the site seems intentional, but doesn't seem to relate to the puzzle directly in the same way the pillars and obelisks do. Has it changed between when it was discovered to what we have now? I heard someone mention something about one of the pyramids, but I can't find where that was. If no change, it seems less useful, if it was changed, it implies the whole of the ruins relates to the next step in the clue.
Thinking further on the layout of the remainder of the site, I find it odd to think that the layout relates to something based on the layout/sector map of the other systems over the layout/sector map of the current system. After all, if the four pillars are used to refer to at least three other systems, then how come the ruins only seems to indicate one system layout?
Perhaps the clue in this is that it works to identify key features of the current/original ruins system that then can become the key elements we are looking for in the new systems? Plenty of comments have been made on the idea of a dual planet or a planet with a large moon. Rings have been mentioned, etc. But whatever the relationship, it needs to be consistently and reasonably applicable. For example the rings, why do they break? Either the breaks point to something, or they can't be representative of unbroken rings?
Sixth, perhaps the main site represents something not astronomical. Could it be based on the atomic level like as follows:
I don't know enough about physics to present a really sound thesis on this idea, but it might be that someone with more knowledge sees a pattern in that? Perhaps that an atomic level answer might be the key to looking at the chemical makeup of the planets they use?
Seventh, on commenting on the likenesses of the Egyptian pyramids and monuments, and also Stonehenge, there is a problem there. They don't work on the same sort of astronomical layout. For example Stonehenge is focused on what can be seen of the local planets and moon and sun rather than being related to the bigger cosmos beyond it. Whereas Egyptian pyramids 'might' have a relationship to the bigger cosmos out there.
If the latter is the case then perhaps the layout of the stars in the sky as observed from that moon that match up with location of the four pillars is relevant? Though that wouldn't explain the change in the layout between their first discovery and now.
I'm inclined to the Egyptian star maps idea more than the Stonehenge methods because Ram Tah seems to be of Egyptian heritage, there are pyramids at the site, and the layout of the four pillars does seem to have some relationship to a star map.
Hope these comments/ideas help narrow down the search.
Firstly, FD changed the layout of the site once the first ruins discovery was made. This could be for the following reasons:
- It was wrong when it was initially implemented
- It was adjusted to allow for finding the next sites in the link
Second, the changed items were the layout of the pillars and some of the obelisk groups. This would indicate that they were all relevant to the puzzle in some way.
Third, the pillars seem to line up with three or four of the new systems. This has got me thinking that perhaps each site maps the location of the closest three outposts/ruins that the guardians had. For those pillars to be a useful map they need to 'anchor' on something known. The anchor probably makes most sense to be the planet the ruins are on. If there wasn't an anchor, you could find a group of four star systems that have that shape anywhere and at almost any scale.
In commenting on this third point, my only issue with that is that why would FD change the layout? Surely each site they've put down has a similar combination system. It shouldn't matter whether this was the first, second or fiftieth site so long as all had a similar pattern embedded in them to help find the next systems to search.
Fourth, the obelisk layout must have some bearing on things. It does at times feel like the group of obelisks 'point' towards something. But at this point what that is doesn't seem clear. There are no theories I've seen so far that add up properly.
Fifth, the layout of the rest of the site seems intentional, but doesn't seem to relate to the puzzle directly in the same way the pillars and obelisks do. Has it changed between when it was discovered to what we have now? I heard someone mention something about one of the pyramids, but I can't find where that was. If no change, it seems less useful, if it was changed, it implies the whole of the ruins relates to the next step in the clue.
Thinking further on the layout of the remainder of the site, I find it odd to think that the layout relates to something based on the layout/sector map of the other systems over the layout/sector map of the current system. After all, if the four pillars are used to refer to at least three other systems, then how come the ruins only seems to indicate one system layout?
Perhaps the clue in this is that it works to identify key features of the current/original ruins system that then can become the key elements we are looking for in the new systems? Plenty of comments have been made on the idea of a dual planet or a planet with a large moon. Rings have been mentioned, etc. But whatever the relationship, it needs to be consistently and reasonably applicable. For example the rings, why do they break? Either the breaks point to something, or they can't be representative of unbroken rings?
Sixth, perhaps the main site represents something not astronomical. Could it be based on the atomic level like as follows:
I don't know enough about physics to present a really sound thesis on this idea, but it might be that someone with more knowledge sees a pattern in that? Perhaps that an atomic level answer might be the key to looking at the chemical makeup of the planets they use?
Seventh, on commenting on the likenesses of the Egyptian pyramids and monuments, and also Stonehenge, there is a problem there. They don't work on the same sort of astronomical layout. For example Stonehenge is focused on what can be seen of the local planets and moon and sun rather than being related to the bigger cosmos beyond it. Whereas Egyptian pyramids 'might' have a relationship to the bigger cosmos out there.
If the latter is the case then perhaps the layout of the stars in the sky as observed from that moon that match up with location of the four pillars is relevant? Though that wouldn't explain the change in the layout between their first discovery and now.
I'm inclined to the Egyptian star maps idea more than the Stonehenge methods because Ram Tah seems to be of Egyptian heritage, there are pyramids at the site, and the layout of the four pillars does seem to have some relationship to a star map.
Hope these comments/ideas help narrow down the search.
id like to think its more than just an artistic choice personally but still have no idea what it is, if this is an artistic choice, then what if the relic locations are just artistic choices etc, just seems odd that the planet is glowing, is there a power source underground, some form of reaction going on with the elements that form the planet etc :S
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