New system not getting a discovered by?
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Systems don't become 'Discovered by' until you get back home and sell the data 
You need to be the first one to sell the data to UC.
You need to get back to a spaceport to hand in the data before it registers you as the discoverer.
As T.Pratchett said,
'As every student of exploration knows, the prize goes not to the explorer who first sets foot upon the virgin soil but to the one who gets that foot home first. If it is still attached to his leg, this is a bonus'
As T.Pratchett said,
'As every student of exploration knows, the prize goes not to the explorer who first sets foot upon the virgin soil but to the one who gets that foot home first. If it is still attached to his leg, this is a bonus'
Yes, you don't get the Tag until you sell the data. You don't even get any indication that you might get a Tag, because theoretically, someone else could come along after you, scan your star, and then race back to inhabited space and sell the data before you. If that happened, they'd get the Tag, not you.
That's not a very likely scenario for merely a star scan, or scans of a bunch of iceballs or dragon-spittle worldlets. But if it's a valuable and/or desirable target like an Earth-like we're talking about, then a claim-jumper is entirely possible. Especially if you blab about your discovery on an open forum before claiming the Tag, or even if you're plugging your data into EDSM for everyone to see. This is why many folks on the forum are cagey about what they've found until their Tags are nice and safely locked in.
That's not a very likely scenario for merely a star scan, or scans of a bunch of iceballs or dragon-spittle worldlets. But if it's a valuable and/or desirable target like an Earth-like we're talking about, then a claim-jumper is entirely possible. Especially if you blab about your discovery on an open forum before claiming the Tag, or even if you're plugging your data into EDSM for everyone to see. This is why many folks on the forum are cagey about what they've found until their Tags are nice and safely locked in.
Ahhh! Thanks god i asked
Foe what it's worth I asked exactly the same question when I first started exploring
Okay ... can you explain how someone can look up a new system on EDSM ?
And can they somehow see what's been found at that location ? ELW, WW, etc ?
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EDD and EDMC both send planetary scan details to EDDB which populates them in EDSM. Scan details are then visible on EDSM and eddb.io
Ah, hadn't realised eddb.io shows all the system bodies as well
Seems I might have to stop syncing with EDSM until I've logged my ELW discoveries.
However, what are the actual chances of anyone stumbling on an eddb.io system entry with ELWs, fly out there and claim them ?
Is that something that's know to have happened ?
Or am I just being paranoid ? [alien]
You can still sync to EDSM, just untick the sync to EDDN option. That way EDSM will get the systems you visit direct from you but no body data will be sent anywhere. At the end of your trip you can then use the "send unsynced EDDN events" from the admin menu to populate EDDN / EDSM etc with the bodies.
As for the risk, pretty minimal really. Someone could theoretically work out if any new ELWs had been added to the EDDB database in the past 24 hours and nab them but it doesn't seem too likely.
FWIW, I only sync to EDDN at the end of a trip, but that's got more to do with my feeling that detailed data should only become available when it is submitted to UC. That said, if I happened to stumble across a system with 5 ELWs then I would become a bit paranoid in case someone was scanning the EDDB db for such things...
As for the risk, pretty minimal really. Someone could theoretically work out if any new ELWs had been added to the EDDB database in the past 24 hours and nab them but it doesn't seem too likely.
FWIW, I only sync to EDDN at the end of a trip, but that's got more to do with my feeling that detailed data should only become available when it is submitted to UC. That said, if I happened to stumble across a system with 5 ELWs then I would become a bit paranoid in case someone was scanning the EDDB db for such things...
I think I can help you there. Out of seven thousand ELW-s, I think we had maybe a dozen cases where somebody said that they discovered a body first, but it was tagged by the time they got back. Most of those were either close enough to Jaques, or to the far end of the galaxy. Maybe one or two cases where they were elsewhere. And even in most of these cases, we can't tell whether the Commander in question really was the first to visit the system, or perhaps somebody was already there and on their way back to UC by the time the player found the ELW.
Now, EDDN doesn't store who discovered an ELW first, so AFAIK there's no way of telling from it whether a given ELW is untagged yet. Of course, we have no idea whether there's anyone actively looking out for ELW-s that appear there to go claim them, but the farther out said planets are, I'd say the less likely they'd go out and check to see if they can be claimed. To be honest, in the time that would take, they could probably find some of their own. However, EDSM does store who visited and submitted the system first, so there is that.
To sum it up, I'd say the chances of them getting nabbed are very low, but if you are concerned, it's better to be safe than to be sorry.
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In a world (er, galaxy?) where Sag A* was claimed by a queen, people hunt in Colonia and the majority of expeditions need to play in private groups because people are jerks - sorry - "roleplaying", it doesn't seem too much of a stretch to imagine a scenario where someone whips up an app that points them in the direction of the nearest recently scanned ELW so it can be tagged first for the lols - sorry - "roleplaying". Syncing data before you've sold it is crazy IMO.
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A good point, but I think you seriously overestimate how much effort griefers would go to to actually grief people and get attention. The Sag. A* scenario you mentioned was one occurence, and even that was done by somebody's alt account, and didn't last long. I doubt many would - or even could - whip up such a program, especially when they can get far more attention by doing much easier stuff - killing landed explorers at ruin sites, for example. Plus it's not like anyone would be visibly upset on the internet about their find(s) getting tagged already. So, for getting attention and upsetting people, this would involve too much attention for too little pay-off.
However, theoretically it could be done. And as I like to say, if something can be abused, given time it will be abused. So yes, I agree it's better to be safe than to be sorry, and not to upload any data you might be concerned about before you have sold it.
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Agreed ... +1 to everyone for their help.
I'll untick the option from now on just to safe
I'm sitting on 132 ELW for my current trip. 7 have been handed in by Chiggy after we tagged them in wing, three were tagged when I found them and one has been tagged since that I know of (it's near BP and I went through that area just before DWE came past so that's not surprising).
I know when I found them all, I know when EDD started sending scans to EDDN.
If there's a discernible difference, not even a statistically significant one, between the rate I don't get the tag when I hand in my data between the pre and post EDDN syncing set then I'll be sure to report back. I'll also be quite surprised.