Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

[Arguendo]

If You are sure about that, that fill a request for my ban on this topic.

From a post of mine earlier today:

And never, ever, say "I found something, it's cool, I may tell you later"! Even if you have found something, keep it to yourself it you aren't willing to share. It's borderline trolling and will put you on ignore-lists faster than this thread is moving, and it just adds noise. You're not here to be part of a community, so don't bother the community with it at all. Be better than that, and share when you feel ready.

Summary; stop being purposely vague, because you are either a) a troll, or b) not a community fellow. Either way, the way you post does not belong here.

 

[Cmdr Zach]

I am reporting this 2nd hand, I read a comment another commander posted somewhere (which I cannot locate) which referred to comments Drew made in, I think, this live stream with "djtruthsayer":
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/117494615

You might have seen me say this on Discord earlier:

Zach - Today at 8:45 PM
What Drew said in the interview last night, was that Rifters missed some clues as to planetary coordinates that would have saved some of the brute force searching we've been doing to find the Dynasty expedition outposts. We're now going back and looking for those clues. His observation was that the Ruins search, which he doesn't know anything about, seems to draw parallels and maybe you should look back over all your facts and clues and look for something you may have missed if brute force searching isn't working.

 

[ExoForce]

If you don't want to spill the beans yet fair play, but just out of curiosity could you post a picture of your total in the mission, because assuming you have solved the ruins you'll be much further on than 36 million.

I have solved the relics. I will not jump into my SRV until I crack obelisks algorithm in WolframAlpha.

Edit: my sin was to announce "Master key" and not posting it. The reason was that I have lost it in front of me. Ive been marked as a person having Paraidolia. Later I figured out that pictures looks different on my big screen TV and my laptop (different GFX options, ambiental light etc). So I was frustrated for not being able to keep my promise and was marked as a troll.

Edit: there is one layout for the ruins, and another one for the relics and beacons. Figure out the relics layout and You will see what is obstructing obelisks resolving.

 

[Erid]

Alright I analyzed my 1 hour and 5 minutes of recording the obelisk sounds at obelisk E1 in Solo Play.

The following is a compilation of all the "strings" of high-pitch encoded data in that 1 hour and 5 minutes (30 strings in total, however the last one is incomplete - the recording was stopped midway through).
WARNING: HUGE PICTURE.

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/akAOjs7.jpg

Some things to note about the data:
1) Throughout the recoding, the obelisks introduces a bit of noise in the recording, I have shown it here:

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/isWOlzg.jpg

2) All of the "strings" end (or start, if read from right to left!!!) in the same pattern, 100%. It is quite easy to notice if you check out the recordings. (Consists of 1 narrow long line, 4 sets of horizontal lines and a huge big block at the very right.)
3) The strings consist of 6 different constructs: Horizontal lines, narrow long vertical lines, medium long vertical lines, medium top-side vertical lines, large bottom-side vertical "lines", The Terminating Block (or the beginning block?!)
4) The horizontal lines often change pitch and for the most part there should be 10 of them (though in the terminating block there is a column of 11 horizontal lines...?). Other people working on this part of the puzzle seem to disregard the horizontal lines but I personally think that is a mistake.

My guess is that this is a numbering system of some sort, however... I was not able to decode it (I am not that smart, I guess), but perhaps someone who IS smart could take a look at the data and try?

All of the spectrograms individually can be found in this .rar: https://www.dropbox.com/s/niamhdm6mw39nzq/alien strings.rar?dl=0

Lol. I'm working on your sound right now.
*big picture*

Spoiler

 

[Jmanis]

Just FYI.

Ranked up to Allied with Wreaken Construction in Ega due to the Galnet post today.
Nothing out of the ordinary has been found on the permit list - no COL 70 permit, no extra missions or anything due to rank. Not that we expected it.

But we had to try.

Exactly what I started last night, but, well, 2am. Will hit allied anyway just to be safe... maybe even head down to COL 70, not that I expect anything out of that either. Clues aren't really clues when they're so obtuse nobody can understand or interpret them.

 

[Irons]

I'm just musing....

If the 4 Beacons on the ruins Alpha site correspond to the 4 new systems. Perhaps we'll get some form of waypoint on the surface map of the correct planet in each system when they are activated?

 

[ModusPwnens]

I have solved the relics. I will not jump into my SRV until I crack obelisks algorithm in WolframAlpha.

You don't need to be in your SRV to post your reward total

 

[Pumabear8]

If You are sure about that, that fill a request for my ban on this topic.

You're a maverick, you claim to have the clue but fail to provide, I'm pretty sure that this thread is about sharing information, the more people looking at a clue the easier it becomes to work it out, though I am starting to get the feeling some folk around here are calling the rest of us thickos and not worth entertaining.

 

[Erid]

Exactly what I started last night, but, well, 2am. Will hit allied anyway just to be safe... maybe even head down to COL 70, not that I expect anything out of that either. Clues aren't really clues when they're so obtuse nobody can understand or interpret them.

As I said recently it can be some hint about researches of new hyper/space drives. Looks like soon (months+) will be big news about this. Maybe even new drives will be basis of next patch.

 

[Zambrick]

There is still tonnes of stuff we haven't tried.

For example has anyone bothered just to add up the numbers tied to each of the data sets?

I have had this rattling around in my head for a few weeks and I cant help shake it.

Spoiler

Biology 7
This data offers more details about the physical appearence of the Guardians, specifically regarding genders.
The similarities between humans and the Guardians continue to delight me.
They had two distinct genders and reproduced sexually. There don't appear to have been any taboos surrounding sexual activity, as the data contains large quantity of graphic images and recordings - not unlike some of our data nets!

Biology 9
This data contains more details about the Guardian's procreation and reproduction.
Procreation was a matter of personal choice, although they were require to be a parent at least once during their lives to ensure continuation of their genetic line. I've not yet established their metrics for measuring time, but it's clear the period of gestation was quite long, to allow substantial development of the young prior to birth.
The infants were effectivelly helpless for a period after delivery.

History 8
This data contains details regarding the rise of new technologies. It appears that the development of these technologies varied between clans, creating inequality and, ultimately, conflict. Initially, that conflict was resolved through personal combat between individual champions, but as clans started using numbers to overwhelm their opponents, the practice of warfare began to spread. This led to a surge in weapons development, with biological warfare quickly established as the weapon of choice. An arms race began, focused on the development of biological agents and various counter measures. It saddens me to discover this as I had hoped the Guardians would prove to be more advanced. A little naive I know as conflict is a common element of many species throught the galaxy. Wheather for resources, land or power over others. We all seem to share this shame.

History 10
This data tells of the end of a major conflict in the Guardians history and the rise of their modern society. It took the leadership of a few clans, from the north of the main continent, to restore peace. These clans had endured considerable hardship during their early development, perhaps resulting in a stronger breed. Banding together, they fought a swift war of conquest and brought the entire race under their leadership. It was from this that the Guardians' modern society, with its rules and balance, developed. Interrestingly I've noticed evidence of a genetic break along the north-south divide, and of redder skin among the northern clans, suggesting a racial element to the division.

History 11
This data speaks about Guardians history and the development of their modern society and first interest in off world exploration. The Guardian city-states continued to operate for over a thousand years, and the ancient forms of cooperative advancement resulted not only in a large population, but also a peaceful and generally happy one. But with a finite amount of land available this population growth couldn't continue forever, and as the Guardians neared the limits of a conference was organised. Astronomical research had become vogue in the previous decades, and the Guardians had identified a number of accessible planets capable of supporting life. Many individuals aspired to travel among the stars and colonise other planets. At first, such ambitions did not receive much support, but after options such as stricter population control were deemed undesirable, off-world colonisation became the most popular option.

History 12
This data is incredible. The information regarding the Guardians first attempts at space travel are particulary interesting. Alghough the Guardians clealy had the capacity for sophisticated flight technology, they had not built anything more advanced than dirigibles, no doubt because airships were more in keeping with their ecologically conscientious philosophy. With rocket technology deemed enviromentally unfriendly, they developed vast launchers that used electro-magnectic propulsion to catapult ships into space. Breathable gel cocoons helped pilots and passengers withstand the huge G-forces experienced on launch, and served as hibernation pods during long journeys. Having not yet developed faster-than-light technology, the Guardians constructed three large arks for their first interstellar colonies. Much like the Generation ships in our own history.

History 14
This data describes what the guardians referred to as an age of information. Although the Guardians had used computers for generations, it wasn't until the development of artificial intelligents that they trully entered an information age. This saw the construction of what ultimatelly became the monolith network - an interstellar communication and computing system. The network existed before the development of AI, but it was the creation of machine intelligence, along with the development of neural implants, that brought this network into the heart of the Guardians' society

History 15
Commander this data has proven vital in our attempt to understand the Guardians Technology. it appear the the development of AI increased their technology very quickly. This sudden increase in computational ability - a result of the new implants - allowed the AIs to adapt and eventually evolve true sentience. This sparked a technological singularity - a rapid advancement across the whole landscape of science and technology. As the AIs developed further, this effect snowballed. In conjunction, many Guardians received implants so they could keep up with the extraordinary pace.

Language 8
Excitingly, this group of delta-pattern recordings contain audio data. Not only will this help me establish the range of sounds they could make, it has should also allow me to confirm that they spoke with accents, as there are regional variations in the sound of their words.

Language 12
This data package is huge. I could all too easily be distracted by the wealth of audio data in these delta patterns. To actually hear the Guardians' language as it would have been spoken proving too great a temptation. But this data reveals that the formal basis of their communication was visual rather than verbal. This seems logical, as the written word has more portability and permanence than speech. I plan to dig deeper into the information collected by you and other explorers to learn the visual form, which I believe originated much earlier in the Guardians' development than I originally thought

Language 14
This data contains the most amazing revelation. It appears to be the key to tracing the origins of the language, embedded in the glyph formats. It's almost as if their glyps contained a form of version control that represented the glyps' evolution, and this has given me a glimpse into their history. These glyps actually evolved from a form of sign language that the Guardians developed when hunting. The guardians were originally pack hunters, and this sign language functioned as a stealthy means of communication.

Technology 7
This is very interesting. According to the data package you just sent me they monolith network was used for most if not all communications regardless of importance.
In keeping with their predilection for sharing knowledge, few restrictions were placed on the network. I thought there might have been separate networks for military and administrative use, but I haven't found any evidence of that.
Everything points to an extremely open society, wich would have made them even more vulnerable when significant social divisions arose.

Technology 10
This data is only partially intact but I have been able to decode the following information.
For a species that experienced only brief periods of war, the Guardians developed very sophisticated means of waging it, although their arsenal was nowhere near as varied as ours. In terms of flight and small-class spaceships, humanity has surpassed the Guardians, but in other respects their technology outmatched ours.

If you add up all the numeric entries it equals the number 137.

The number 137 has a huge significance in the fields of physics, astrophysics, and mathematics. I remembered hearing about a book called the God Particle by Lederman. (which now I have to go and read. Thanks FDEV)

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlSLIW0gZtk

Not to mention its the 33rd Prime number and we know how the guardians like 3s.

If you apply the number 137 to the golden ratio and you take 2 different radius then the it will make sectors or areas that are approximately 137 degrees.

(Experiment for a math type person. Take the radius of the large circle (The planet the ruins are on) and the small circle(The moon orbiting it.) and find out what 137 degree sector the coordinates of the first ruin is located in if it were applied to 0,0 lat long of the original planet. Then people could apply that ratio to degree numbers to the current orbiting bodies in their chosen search sectors. Could lead to approximate location of ruins on those moons/planets.
EDIT: never mind didnt do the quick math in my head. That would only break 360 degrees down to about 2.5 or 2.6 sectors. Half a planet is still too big to use when narrowing down location.

I thought the large circle always repented the planet we were on and the little one was the moon. Again its just a tinfoil theory of mine.

This number also shows up in the fine structure constant. The fine structure constant is represented by they symbol for alpha.

The number is used in Quantum Electrodynamics(the place where quantum theory and relativistic physics shake hands in agreement.)

The fine structure constant as to do with the power/strength of theelectromagnetic interaction between 2 charged particles. Perhaps a nod to the Guardians power source and or how they communicate over vast distances. We also know the location of the first ruins site or Alpha site if you will. I am no physicist and could not dream of using any of that knowledge for this game. I dont know if the number 137 was just happenstance, planned, or a nod to physicists who play the game.

Either way that was just one of my ideas over the last 3 weeks or so. I have finally given up research on my own as my brain is burned out. If this is just another tinfoil hat theory then great. I am fine with that. However if it means something and I didnt share I would feel guilty.

So if anyone wants to dig into this further please do so. Its a lot of tinfoil and could be purely coincidental but it could also be something.

EDIT:
I know it sounds like an apocryphal statement but the number 137 is the meaning of life the universe and everything. At least in the real galaxy.

 

[Arguendo]

You're a maverick, you claim to have the clue but fail to provide, I'm pretty sure that this thread is about sharing information, the more people looking at a clue the easier it becomes to work it out, though I am starting to get the feeling some folk around here are calling the rest of us thickos and not worth entertaining.

He's definetely not a Maverick, and you are right, this thread is about sharing information.

I have incidentially taken him up on his request.

 

[Jmanis]

As I said recently it can be some hint about researches of new hyper/space drives. Looks like soon (months+) will be big news about this. Maybe even new drives will be basis of next patch.

Sorry, my comment was intended to be a bit more broad in terms of reference... I'd just been reading posts like;

Drew confirmed they were missed in the Formidine puzzle, and hinted they were being missed here..

...because apparently, there's even still some things to discover about the UA that we missed. Over a year down the track and still nothing eventuating.

 

[Pumabear8]

Okay, I'm heading back to the ruins, but the clues had better be in game, I don't read the books, nor should I be required to, I paid for this game, I expect the content to be "IN" it.

 

[TexThePony]

Has anyone tried to flip the image of the ruins so it is oriented North up, as opposed to what we've been looking at, and trying things with that?

 

[Ernest T Bass]

Has this location been recorded yet?

https://i.imgur.com/RCRTl34.png

 

[Factabulous]

I know about the Formidine hint, but I'm not aware of the same hint relating to the ruins, can you please provide the source?

Here's the source - it was actually mossfoot (I mis-attributed it to drew as well). Still agree with the logic.

Edit: ninjad by Zach, though mossfoot was where I got my info from

 

[iamgingerbear]

I was frustrated for not being able to keep my promise and was marked as a troll.

people are calling you a troll because you say you've found stuff out yet you fail to back it up, you say things yet you don't prove them, you offer nothing to the conversation and instead just seem to be trying to lead others on.

 

[NorMonsta]

Nope, nothing yet. But even if we find one , there's still more to find.

More eyes and brains are always helpful.

Morris Code?

Like morris dancers?

oh no.......if an alien shows up and flicks a hanky at me......it will put me in the "shoot on site" camp

 

[ExoForce]

people are calling you a troll because you say you've found stuff out yet you fail to back it up, you say things yet you don't prove them, you offer nothing to the conversation and instead just seem to be trying to lead others on.

There is one layout for the ruins, and another one for the relics and beacons. Figure out the relics layout and You will see what is obstructing obelisks resolving.

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I feel that describing right now how I figured out the layout of the relics (legit way) can expose further things to come from FD, and ruin some people experience in this game, so I am not sure how to proceed except giving clues.

 

[John Stoutbeard]

Just another FYI.

Three of us have been checking system 40-100LY away from our alleged Ruin systems for Listening Posts.
We think it's easier to spot these due to the guaranteed appearance within 1000LS for a celestial body.
Since there are 3 alleged Ruins (not 4 or 5 no), we feel there is a slight chance there may be as many as 6 or 9 listening posts there.

Secondly, MB stated that some of the previous hints we should have found should have been repurposed.
It isn't unlikely that the original Listening Posts have been moved (re-purposed) for the new undiscovered sites.
Besides, there a finite list of possible system to fly through at 1000LS.


Nothing to report as of yet, but there's a lot of system.
Right now we just rely on our own Map Visited Systems to press on.

We only have to find the first to prove that we're on the right track.