Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

[CMDR Cylixx]

So I am MASSIVELY bummed out that the Beta ruins wear and tear is copy+paste from the Alpha site, it could not have been too much work or forethought to keep a few ruins versions slightly divergent. It's a small thing, but it really matters to me. In fact it bums me out even more than the lack of any new combination locks to crack or entries to read...

There's a saying that fits the bill here.. I believe it is

"MUH IMMERSION"

 

[Lorgius]

Congratulations ZORBAQ !!! And happy birthday.


Now:
With same layout as in first ruins and same scans, I'm more and more convinced that ExoForce might have some point with relics layout as necessary for unlocking more scans in solo.

If no difference between ruins is planned thing, then it either means that there are different kind of ruins to find yet or more probably, that they were "mass produced" and have same function everywhere or all pointing towards specific thing - so its underlining importance of whole structure orientation and not it single elements.

The only major bummer is that all "damages" are seams to be similar on every site so far. They could at lest modify models a little.

 

[Zenith]

Commanders, kindly direct your attention over here...

IC 2391 SECTOR GW-V B2-4 B 1

LAT -29.10
LONG -30.51

Right, me job's done I'm having a pesky migraine, so excuse me if I'm not available for questioning. Also it's my birthday today, so kind of a neat present for me, no?

Have fun!

WELL DONE CMDR!
And Happy Birthday!

I did explain it once already a long time ago - but nobody cared or remembered.

I did say, in my image, "allow for margin of error" and "check within a degree or two in both latitude/longitude" - and, oh look, new ruins miraculously found at -29 -30.

I'm not disputing your calculation or methods. I think what you've found is one part of the puzzle, and we need more parts to make it all "click" together.
Which brings me to...

Whilst I hate to break up your argument (oh, wait, no I don't!), here is something, maybe...

https://i.imgur.com/BPgT56D.jpg

Does it look to anyone else like the moon may rise over the new ruins just like it does over the first set?

Time will tell...

Here comes the moon:

https://i.imgur.com/MOZPTm5.jpg

Not exactly the same. But over all this distance, I'll take it!

I think we need to be looking at moons as well, because 2 sites allows us to start proving patterns. Right now, I have this gut feeling that moonrise and moonset at each location will align at roughly the same place in relation to the orientation of the ruins.
Looking at planets with moons, with gravity 0.2 (give or take) and temperature on the cooler side (220-300K) and using the south 30th parallel as a guideline, we should be able to reduce the number of candidate planets to a much more manageable figure.

I'm not going to get drawn into the "copypasta, FDev suxxx" side of things. As far as I'm concerned there are more ruins to find. If we find them and they're the same, then we have more ammunition to use in bugreps.

 

[Cmdr Lucca1985]

Hi guys my two cents. FDEV are working on bringing Elite to playstation 4 in the next few months and bring us the commanders at the same time.

Is it possible that this whole alien ruins mission has been blown out of proportion and was not meant to be that big a deal at all.

Sure we get new lore on a species but unless the guardians evolved into us or the thargoids. Its not really going to make that much of a difference.

Confirmed existence of Live aliens hasn't exactly shaken the galaxy to the core.

I think what is happening here is the growing realisation that we are not going to be able to collect our 100 million and only some of us will be the first to discover these new ruins. All the science over the last few days and a Grinder found it.

Take a step back guys. Take a breath, Ive been guilty of a few whinges over this too. But its cool, I'm sure all will be revealed

 

[Phoenix452_74]

Hello All,

Perhaps this idea is already done, but I'm asking me if the site aren't on the crossing of the moon revolution and the planet revolution. I haven't enough knowledge for understand correctly that, but isn't it not the only things we have ? This is because the second site have a moon too.

Please excuse me for my bad english.

 

[Pumabear8]

People keep saying standardized ruins is acceptable, of course it's acceptable, what's not acceptable is all the loose objects being in the exact same position along with walls crumbled in the exact same position!

 

[excaliburhc]

Sorry if double posting ,

Im wondering if site is indicitive of a system and its contents . By this i mean the circular areas represent suns - 1 at each end of the system , and the pylon groupings planets and their bodies , each group a seperate set. Based on the guardians communicating with runes - shapes are important to them and if the shape of the site is the rune for the home system. Speculation is fun Good work all

 

[BL1P]

Hehehe. I thought I would go to site 1 and then site 2, activating the towers and the obelisks.
Then I remember, you cant as each site resets when you leave the instance :S
Damn another brilliant theory dashed and smashed against the rocks of hmm... despair ?

 

[excaliburhc]

1 more throw away thought on the ruins and they being a duplicate of each other
What if the the damage was not decay but intentional. If the obelisks are datastores and the guardians went through a change from science to religion wouldn't they destroy the information they deem heretical - There are plenty of examples of this through human history . And if the design of each site is specific (ie the site design is important ) then wouldnt the same obelisks be destroyed in the other sites aswell ?

 

[CMDR Cylixx]

1 more throw away thought on the ruins and they being a duplicate of each other
What if the the damage was not decay but intentional. If the obelisks are datastores and the guardians went through a change from science to religion wouldn't they destroy the information they deem heretical - There are plenty of examples of this through human history . And if the design of each site is specific (ie the site design is important ) then wouldnt the same obelisks be destroyed in the other sites aswell ?

Come out here and see for yourself, it's the same asset dude, no need for further explanation.

It's more than the Obelisk damage, it's the erosion, and the breaches in the walls, the way certain foundation pieces are scattered.

I don't like jumping to negative conclusions, but it seems they have copy+pasted the ruins in their entirety, it won't matter to alot of people.

One thing that will matter to people is that this puzzle does not seem to be able to progress in any way from this discovery, not even any new entries to chew on while we look for the next site.

 

[excaliburhc]

3rd attempt to post this

Wondering if the site design is representative of the guardians home system. We know they speak in rune language so shape is important to them. What if the areas / groupings represent stars / bodies.

ie the circular areas - 2 stars - 1 each end of system , groupings are planetary bodies - each obelisk a planet and so on with each grouping a seperate set.

 

[Iori]

So for clarity:

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This correct?

Any mathemagicians that can extrapolate this to other planets and pinpoint an exact location?

 

[biot]

I'd like to add my congratulations to CMDR zorbaq, well done!

Frustrations are running high and that is understandable but the way I see it even if the next ruins were discovered right now that's only the beginning of the next big chunk of work. More mapping, surveying, finding artifacts, scanning data points, trying to unlock the locations of further sites and so on and so on ... this stuff is going to be a long haul however you look at it. Better to adopt a mindset that is ready for that IMHO.

On reflection the above has proven to be optimistic balderdash. I am disappoint. Oh well, back to Skyrim for me.

 

[floc]

Same ruins. Same data. Same fallen walls

While I can undestrand the layout, like our modern server farm, but the same FALLEN WALLS? c mon FD...

there is no science behind all this, it's just a brutefoce with eyeballs

or, a parallel dimension and we just found a paradox, ruin site beta is actually ruin site alfa accessed from another point of our space. lol

 

[Factabulous]

This is pretty random, was scanning obelisks in solo on the new site and got a reputation change from Bliss Consortium. I think it's a player faction - is this normal?

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(shields recharging as I then ran out of fuel, much to my confusion )

Normal service now resuming....

Edit: I suppose it could be an old message and I got the audio 'incoming' w/o anything in the inbox, known bug

 

[CMDR Private Parts]

If the new ruins site was in ANY way different, how would you be if you suddenly started focusing on the changes only to find they were of zero importance? Yes, even down to damage to the walls/supports/obelisks?

I can hear the cry's of "oh they led us up the garden path with this new site".....they cant win!


*Edit

I would still expect this new site to offer new data packets from the original non bugged 13 though...

 

[Scaarab]

There are no bad tidings anywhere. The new site just enboldens the idea that we did not get all the data from the original site. It also means that there is some sequence in which obelisks have to be opened to get everything. There is absolutely no point in trying to figure out why this planet why these coordinates until we find out the squence to get everything. What the commander found is another shiny box with a big rusty old lock on it. All kudos to him and reps as this was most likely a painstaking and irritating experience for him. And for everyone still trying to eyeball the rest of the ruins. But until we can open said ruins they are nothing more than balls of frustration. Consider this a definitive clue. There is more on the first site. The multiplayer data bleed is a clue to this as well. Now to find out whats what we have to analyse the texts ram tah gave us(only the original 13), look for clues that look like puzzle clues and revisit old theories on how to get more data. I personally consider the original combinations we have a clue, the fact that both sites provide from the get go the exact same 13 data chunks on the exact same obelisks indicate that the clue is in there somewhere, and each location was meant to teach the basic opening process for said ruins.

I for one believe the data patterns matter. Multiple texts define specific types of data chunks as specific patterns I will go back to that. Whining, sadly will not get me 100 million and I want that for my conda. And I want to get it the legit way. I got my first conda the legit way as well trough mining. Good luck and still, stay away from the brain fungus things the emperor in this game has no psy powers kilometer long battleships or trillions of genetically engineered space marines we dont need people becoming ORKS.

So a question: If I delete the data ram tah sent me and open obelisks will I get them back if I do s succesfull scan or I have to retake the mission completely? Want to clarify some of those x+relic things to see if they are not lone unlocks and make a new private list of the unlocks. Originally I did not record which obelisks gave me what when I bruteforced them myself.

 

[excaliburhc]

guess im hoping more then anything i dont believe FD would reuse same asset except for "reasons" so i believe ruins site design is important somehow.

im going to go with attack by zealots casued breaches / embarkment area - and the obelisks were destroyed by ceremony hence the same shapes . and the erosion ................ they liked to play water slides cant come up with anything for that , damn it i liked my theory

 

[Ursula_17]

May have been said before, because I have got onto this very late. But it seems that the ruins are all on a planet with an orbiting moon. The ruins seem to be built in line with the orbit of that moon around the planet. So to narrow down the search we need to look for planets with orbiting moons. Now when you go to inspect those planet you need to have 'orbit lines' ON. Then when you are approaching the planet you need to come into its orbit on the same plane or orbit as the moon is orbiting the planet you are closing in on. Then follow this line around the planet and hopefully you will come across some ruins?? Anyway thats my simple theory. I intend on looking at the first ruins site to test this and then the second.

 

[Freudulent]

Congratulations Commander Zorbaq!
Frustratingly I was searching B2-4 B1 last night before I gave up and went to be a husband for the evening. However, there had been a flurry of moon-talking and I bought into it so I was trying to find a way of flying along the moon orbital path. There were some comments about 'shouldn't be hard to do' etc so I thought I'd have a go and then realised that it wasn't going to be too easy. I tried to fly towards the centre of the planet then do a 180 and look at the moon orbit line above. When I was reasonably sure I had it as straight as I could tried to fly along the bearing that pointed directly along the line. I think it was somewhere in the 320deg region. I had had a couple of glasses of wine by then and found myself going off course as I was looking at the landscape so I gave up. Don't know if there is any merit to this method but throwing it out there. If there is an easy method I'd love to hear it, or am I just being a bit slow?
Regarding this being a small sideshow because PS4 is coming online later this year, I'd be surprised if that were the case. Why would FD call the version 'The Guardians' if it were to be something and nothing? Just my thoughts....