What has FD changed or added that Dangerous Discussion actually liked?
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Wellcome to the internet you must be new.
You can like the concept, idea, or premise before actually trying it. You can also dislike it. Which many people seem to do. Instantly.
I'm not just talking about upcoming features mind you, I'm talking about everything we've seen come from ED since it's conception.
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Hardly. But I guess I've been in more communities where the people who didn't like stuff just didn't talk about it or play something they weren't enjoying, and the people who did praised the devs and continued to enjoy the game.
DD can have their torches and pitchforks over everything FD does, but like something dammit. Just one thing.
This is exactly what it is. A vocal minority of people who can't get excited about a new feature, but have to start bunkering down and drawing up increasingly unlikely plans of how something could be 'exploited' regardless of whether the result would even have any meaning. Who can't accept that the professional game developers might actually have some idea how to develop a game, or who won't accept anything that caters to anyone other than themselves, so feel they have to set out and drag things down - in the name of 'realism', or 'immersion', or 'balance', each with their own idea of what the game actually is, each with their own idea of how the game should be played. A vocal minority of maybe a few dozen people who if they had their way would actively make the game less fun for thousands.
Toxic doesn't feel like a strong enough word, but I can't think of a stronger one. I'm just glad that after so many times making the mistake of listening to these people - on SRV fuel and ship travel timers to name just a couple of occasions - FDEV finally seem to be learning to trust their instincts, their skills and their experience and put their foot down - if ever there was a community that needed to be told what's what it's this one.
sooo .. you're used to an echo chamber ?
Criticism is required to keep the devs focused - how you go about it though matters and many (myself included) get it wrong sometimes.
2.3 Multicrew has been well received by many on the forum and heavily criticised by perhaps just as many <shrug> Nature of the beast.
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If that was true why did they bother with the official Ship transport poll ?
You can reason anything on this forum and find facts to support your cause - what you can't do is speak for FD as they tend not to say why ...
That's because you're too focused on bad feedback posts. There was a crapton of praise for the commander creator, the camera, intrigue for the megaships, and good expectations for the Dolphin. Yes there is some disappointment about the lack of feminine hairs. But the vast majority of feedback was positive. There will always be criticism, some constructive, some not, some disappointment at how things are done because people value different things and have different expectations. "Fun" in games (or in movies etc) is not an exact science.
You cannot expect people to always like everything, that's an unreasonable expectation. The vast majority of people will like some things and dislike others. Sure, there are some forum users which always dislike everything, but they're always the same and no more than a handful.
- sanitation
- the medicine
- education
- wine
- public order
- irrigation
- roads
- the fresh-water system
- and public health
We also like peace.
- the medicine
- education
- wine
- public order
- irrigation
- roads
- the fresh-water system
- and public health
We also like peace.
sooo .. you're used to an echo chamber ?
Criticism is required to keep the devs focused - how you go about it though matters and many (myself included) get it wrong sometimes.
2.3 Multicrew has been well received by many on the forum and heavily criticised by perhaps just as many <shrug> Nature of the beast.
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Sorry, just wanted to make them feel at home. [noob]
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I like most of the game, just sometimes not the way it is designed, if that makes any sense.
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I feel like these forums are an echo chamber of a different kind though. Of the negative, of hate, disdain, etc. I haven't seen the "well received" bit. I'm sure, I'm positive, there are people that enjoy and love the game that post, but they get drowned out and dismissed.
Rep.
Not for the post as such, but for making me do a tripple take, trying to work out how I had changed by forum name and avatar until I realised what you had done. First througt "what on earth" Second thought "why those pesky mods .." Third thought "am I going mad" :O
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Yes, sometimes these forums (myself included) do go on a downer.
One thing you can do (if it helps) is to start to put the really negative people on mute .. it's what I half expect many have [CLICK] [MUTED]
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Even that had issues. There were a number of complaints about misuse of "oh seven" and "flight level".Flight control voices.
That might be the first and the last.
I was about to suggest the avatar creator, even though it isn't in the game yet, as something that seemed to have generated universal plaudits. But then I remembered longhairgate.
It does feel as though this forum is more toxic than it's ever been, but I wonder if that isn't as much to do with the long time between major releases as to do with the community itself. Things always seem most negative when everyone is waiting for a beta to drop. And because the scope of ED is so large and the community encompasses such a wide range of tastes and play styles, some of which are in conflict by default, sometimes it's a wonder there's any agreement at all.
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Let me clarify. They collectively grew a spine as of this patch.
Passion breeds criticism. Criticism does not equal negativity, but it can be negative and outright hateful due to the emotion behind it. It wouldn't be much of a forum of discussion if it was all lolipops and unicorns constantly. If everyone agreed there would be nothing to contribute but platitudes and pats on the back. It's great for grade school team spirit, but it's not so great for improving a game we love. No one really pays much attention to the more obnoxious destructive nonsense, other than mods anyway.
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Regarding positivity in the forum ...
Outrage triggers posts. Happy people won't post as much as unhappy ones. An unfortunate consequence of the modern internet culture - here at the forum and anywhere else in the web.
Personally, I decided to abstain from posting everywhere I feel compelled to answer. I am generally content with the game, love some additions, am ambivalent to others. More often than not, I would like to "defend" FDev's decissions in those negative threads. I want to explain, why I like something, why I think it works as it does and why other implementations would have been problematic.
But this is so terribly exhausting! Not only does it take time to write all these answers in a halfway meaningful way (being a non-native speaker), but it also seems like a battle against windmills, as those threads pop up again and again ... and again!
I don't have the power left to defend my positivity all over the place. Trying to do so pulled me down so often that it leaked into my real life, causing bad mood and misanthropy (I am not kidding here! ).
Hence I decided to take a step back. If this means one positive voice less for the game in this forum, so be it. I am afraid, I will have to leave the battle for those willing to continue it. I just keep posting occasional comments and give advice if people ask for it in the case I know an answer.
Outrage triggers posts. Happy people won't post as much as unhappy ones. An unfortunate consequence of the modern internet culture - here at the forum and anywhere else in the web.
Personally, I decided to abstain from posting everywhere I feel compelled to answer. I am generally content with the game, love some additions, am ambivalent to others. More often than not, I would like to "defend" FDev's decissions in those negative threads. I want to explain, why I like something, why I think it works as it does and why other implementations would have been problematic.
But this is so terribly exhausting! Not only does it take time to write all these answers in a halfway meaningful way (being a non-native speaker), but it also seems like a battle against windmills, as those threads pop up again and again ... and again!
I don't have the power left to defend my positivity all over the place. Trying to do so pulled me down so often that it leaked into my real life, causing bad mood and misanthropy (I am not kidding here!
).Hence I decided to take a step back. If this means one positive voice less for the game in this forum, so be it. I am afraid, I will have to leave the battle for those willing to continue it. I just keep posting occasional comments and give advice if people ask for it in the case I know an answer.
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Ok going to sound like that Old guy over there now....
Been gaming for a long long time, 40 odd years give or take a few years, I'm including arcades here before the dawn of home computers let alone consoles and the internet.
Gaming has come a long way in that time and its player base now includes the like of me and a even older generation, and then it goes all the way down to babies that can pick up a a tablet.
This game includes a lot of that player base, and in that your going to get a lot of people who still cling to the good old days of Elite, I know I do from time to time, but ED is a new game for a new generation of gamers and as such the two side clash and all hell breaks lose on its forums.
DD is the place a lot of people come to air their grievances, hopes, desires, hatred, and yes praise for the game. there are lots of threads bashing either the game or the dev's but there are also a lot of threads praising them . Me I give praise where praise is due and moan like the old git I'am when I feel the need to.
Anyways its not all bad in DD but as said earlier in my first post the good gets buried by the bad way too quick. Right enough of this place for now off to bash some Diablo.
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Yes indeed, a bleak and negative place. One poster on another thread did admit that he actually plays other games which have in his opinion more gameplay and immersion but comes on here to badger FD to come to their senses abd recreate the game he once loved. Unfortunately you cannot argue with that kind of logic and even to respond or offer a contrary point of view.
I think when the station interface was reworked it received more positive than negative feedback. I guess the same could be said about the new station aesthetics and the station flight control voices.