SDC Presents: Operation Healies4Feelies

[CMDR GTR2014]

I think plenty understand, the problem is, they chose to show this not with their own participants, but by griefing attacking random people, it could easily have been done with willing participants?

No, because this dont spread the word about the broken mechanics... PLUS, most olf the people who died on the video are PvP players... so why dont you add them in game and ask their opinions on the matter instead of talking about things you dont know about it ?

 

[Morbad]

look at what I wrote, I'm pointing to the fact that MJ healed should related to their MJ damage, and since an FDL can't outdamage an corvette it shouldn't be able to out heal one either...

So you're saying that shield resistances should apply to regeneration?

Its not broken

If you think healing being effectively five fold better than your own above suggestion (not being able to heal faster than another ship can damage) is not broken, can anything ever be?

 

[CMDR GTR2014]

I think plenty understand, the problem is, they chose to show this not with their own participants, but by griefing attacking random people, it could easily have been done with willing participants?

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Go watch twitch, I've seen people that are popular because they use aimbot.....clearly in their book, it isn't cheating, as much as I would agree. Abusing something knowingly that gives you an advantage over everyone else, yup, cheating.

So you use aimbot in Elite? do you task kill your game when you're about to lose? because all that you are saying to me is that you are OK WITH CHEATING, and you're saying THAT YOU ARE A CHEATER IN THIS FORUM , WITH ALL WORDS.

 

[Windscreen Smudge]

1: Example is irrelevant, look at what I wrote.
2: again, huge is just another example, look at what I wrote, I'm pointing to the fact that MJ healed should related to their MJ damage, and since an FDL can't outdamage an corvette it shouldn't be able to out heal one either...
3: self-repping healers, have not been countered in a lot of games, so no FDev didn't 'fail', they put in something, which is like most things as patches have proven, under constant change, just like....all the games that have had self-repping healers 'fixed' tey didn't do it in one swoop, or have it initially, they implemented healing in one way, found unintended consequences, dealt with them.......same thing here?

4: Its not broken, you do not know what broken is, it renders some pvp scenario's non-viable, that's what is called a bug. Broken things, you know, break things, can you PvP still? sure you can as long as you don't meet this scenario. thus PvP isn't broken, not even if everyone decides to use it, it isn't broken, it just means honestly? that people aren't interested in actual PvP in my book, and are more interested in 'winning' and thus they place themselves so they can't lose, again, that isn't broken, that's a bug, one that should definitely be fixed yes, but hardly broken, since players 'can' if they want to avoid the issue, so no, I am not defending it, read what I actually wrote?

Sadly I've read every word of what you've written, and it's done nothing but vainly try to defend a position that can't be defended. At this point I've just got to assume you're typing for the sake of your own ego and ignore anything else you try to contribute to the conversation, because nothing of value has been contributed nor are you showing any sign of changing that trend.

 

[xondk]

No, because this dont spread the word about the broken mechanics... PLUS, most olf the people who died on the video are PvP players... so why dont you add them in game and ask their opinions on the matter instead of talking about things you dont know about it ?

I honestly don't keep track of names so that may be true, behaviour seemed exactly the same as previous campaigns that have been griefing, so yeah, I know plenty about how these things go about? I mean have you even watched normal SDC streams or videos? very little reason to believe that behaviour has changed for this scenario.

And what do you mean it 'spreads the word' file a bug report? the ones you need to get attention to is frontier?
Do you know what 'spreading the word' does? it makes more people abuse something...

Rather then you know, sending this video to frontier, to let them see how bad it is and let them fix it without the word being spread? so more don't abuse something?

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Sadly I've read every word of what you've written, and it's done nothing but vainly try to defend a position that can't be defended. At this point I've just got to assume you're typing for the sake of your own ego and ignore anything else you try to contribute to the conversation, because nothing of value has been contributed nor are you showing any sign of changing that trend.

wow, yeah ok, if you say so, seems like you feel very offended, and biased if you take my words that way. Maybe look at what you write yourself?

 

[Sole Hunter]

I think plenty understand, the problem is, they chose to show this not with their own participants, but by griefing attacking random people, it could easily have been done with willing participants?

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Go watch twitch, I've seen people that are popular because they use aimbot.....clearly in their book, it isn't cheating, as much as I would agree. Abusing something knowingly that gives you an advantage over everyone else, yup, cheating.

Which just goes to show that they missed the whole point of the video.

 

[CMDR GTR2014]

I honestly don't keep track of names so that may be true, behaviour seemed exactly the same as previous campaigns that have been griefing, so yeah, I know plenty about how these things go about? I mean have you even watched normal SDC streams or videos? very little reason to believe that behaviour has changed for this scenario.

And what do you mean it 'spreads the word' file a bug report? the ones you need to get attention to is frontier?
Do you know what 'spreading the word' does? it makes more people abuse something...

Rather then you know, sending this video to frontier, to let them see how bad it is and let them fix it without the word being spread? so more don't abuse something?

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wow, yeah ok, if you say so.

This video would have -90% of the repercussion is they did a "nice and easy" showcase of the bug... it's simple people dont talk about it if it's an ok problem, SDC and ALOT of people talked trash to FD about the Thermal Cascade, they only acknowledge the problem when so MANY PEOPLE started complaining to be killed EVEN FOR a T-6 with those seekers... it's a FACT that they would only listen to SDC or anyone else if something LIKE THAT appears again... that's how happened BEFORE and that what will always be what it takes to do....

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Now, MY IDEA to stop this kind of Insanity, FD SHOULD make a "round" table to discuss things with at LEAST 10 Known and intelligent PVPers, that DON'T need to be public... but this would come in a long way for them not screw up again ...

 

[xondk]

Which just goes to show that they missed the whole point of the video.

Maybe campaigns done in this way, and how it was done in the past, aren't the best way to get the actual point across?

I have absolutely nothing against people giving fully described and detailed problems, showing it off this way, choosing this exact way to 'prove' something just doesn't work in my book, it only proves it is a problem if abused in that manner, maybe show videos of actual combat with the problem, show a test, of just how much the healing is? that gives something objective to grasp.

This and I will gladly admit I am biased because I see griefing as the lamest and lowest effort possible way to do things, way it was done here, only proves that yes, a station can't kill people griefing like this. It proves that, but again in the worst, lowest, most low effort way possible, and then it is waved around as a flag for trying to 'fix' the game?

 

[Cupsuki]

While the other guys had nothing to do with the lasers I agree this needed to be looked into, quite an impressive display like seriously who comes up with these ideas? Because that guy is a genius!

 

[xondk]

This video would have -90% of the repercussion is they did a "nice and easy" showcase of the bug... it's simple people dont talk about it if it's an ok problem, SDC and ALOT of people talked trash to FD about the Thermal Cascade, they only acknowledge the problem when so MANY PEOPLE started complaining to be killed EVEN FOR a T-6 with those seekers... it's a FACT that they would only listen to SDC or anyone else if something LIKE THAT appears again... that's how happened BEFORE and that what will always be what it takes to do....

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Now, MY IDEA to stop this kind of Insanity, FD SHOULD make a "round" table to discuss things with at LEAST 10 Known and intelligent PVPers, that DON'T need to be public... but this would come in a long way for them not screw up again ...

The last couple of campaigns 'problems' were acknowledged by frontier prior to campaigns and were on the getting fixed line, so no, it isn't "because of them" it happens, _at best_ 'because of them' they had to step up its priority, giving them less time to fix the problem and do so properly, so you get a hasty fix, because fixing such things aren't easy. So yeah.....that hurts the game more then 'fixes' it in my book.

It is very easy to claim credit, doesn't mean it is something to your credit though.

 

[Morbad]

While the other guys had nothing to do with the lasers I agree this needed to be looked into, quite an impressive display like seriously who comes up with these ideas? Because that guy is a genius!

The ideas are as old as humanity, it's just that Frontier keeps introducing new tools to realize them.

 

[Sole Hunter]

Maybe campaigns done in this way, and how it was done in the past, aren't the best way to get the actual point across?

I have absolutely nothing against people giving fully described and detailed problems, showing it off this way, choosing this exact way to 'prove' something just doesn't work in my book, it only proves it is a problem if abused in that manner, maybe show videos of actual combat with the problem, show a test, of just how much the healing is? that gives something objective to grasp.

This and I will gladly admit I am biased because I see griefing as the lamest and lowest effort possible way to do things, way it was done here, only proves that yes, a station can't kill people griefing like this. It proves that, but again in the worst, lowest, most low effort way possible, and then it is waved around as a flag for trying to 'fix' the game?

No its the best way to get frontier to wake up and fix the garbage engineers.

You're never going to change the way we play the game, we kill people, send them to the rebuy screen and we love it.

 

[xondk]

no its the best to get frontier to wake up and stop being lazyness and fix the garbage engineers.

Eh, I strongly disagree, if you want to see lazy look at ubisoft, frontier is in no way lazy, but instead a still fairly small team working on something very very very complex, it takes time, course most people without knowing how game dev and coding works, don't know this, and I gladly admit have no need for knowing this, but its so very easy to call someone lazy, despite them working very hard.

 

[Morbad]

The last couple of campaigns 'problems' were acknowledged by frontier prior to campaigns and were on the getting fixed line, so no, it isn't "because of them" it happens, _at best_ 'because of them' they had to step up its priority, giving them less time to fix the problem and do so properly, so you get a hasty fix, because fixing such things aren't easy. So yeah.....that hurts the game more then 'fixes' it in my book.

I, and many other people here, first complained about this issue in the 2.1 beta, which was eight months ago.

Since then, the problem has gotten worse (beam lasers are better, their recipes are better, and defenses, which only apply to hostile fire are better). Since the problem getting worse, Frontier has buffed the problematic effects even more.

We are now at a point where every MJ healed counters five MJ of damage delivered.

As much as I dislike the tactics used in this video, such an in-your-face demonstration is way overdue.

 

[Windscreen Smudge]

No its the best way to get frontier to wake up and fix the garbage engineers.

You're never going to change the way we play the game, we kill people, send them to the rebuy screen and we love it.

It'd get done a lot faster if it wasn't just SDC doing this too.

 

[GTwannabe]

Ideas for "fixing" heal beams:

1. Massive heat spike when healing
2. Module damage to weapon while healing
3. Negative effects could start a few seconds after firing to force short bursts

 

[Sole Hunter]

Eh, I strongly disagree, if you want to see lazy look at ubisoft, frontier is in no way lazy, but instead a still fairly small team working on something very very very complex, it takes time, course most people without knowing how game dev and coding works, don't know this, and I gladly admit have no need for knowing this, but its so very easy to call someone lazy, despite them working very hard.

Oh okay so not addressing a game breaking mechanic since 2.1 is not being lazy?

It'd get done a lot faster if it wasn't just SDC doing this too.

Probably, prove it!

 

[Windscreen Smudge]

Ideas for "fixing" heal beams:

1. Massive heat spike when healing
2. Module damage to weapon while healing
3. Negative effects could start a few seconds after firing to force short bursts

So we ignore the problem and cover it up with a band-aid that's going to create more problems later?

Nah... Just fix them.

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oh okay so not addressing a game breaking mechanic since 2.1 is not being lazy?



Oh really, prove it.

I've seen one-man game developers fix bugs like this 30 minutes after being notified of it's existence over twitter. FDev definitely have no excuse for this.

I think I will, when I'm home. I'm on the road tonight.

 

[xondk]

I, and many other people here, first complained about this issue in the 2.1 beta, which was eight months ago.

Since then, the problem has gotten worse (beam lasers are better, their recipes are better, and defenses, which only apply to hostile fire are better). Since the problem getting worse, Frontier has buffed the problematic effects even more.

We are now at a point where every MJ healed counters five MJ of damage delivered.

As much as I dislike the tactics used in this video, such an in-your-face demonstration is way overdue.

Got any videos or such on this, but yeah that seems very high.

oh okay so not addressing a game breaking mechanic since 2.1 is not being lazy?

i understand it upsets you, and I can understand but.

1) If it has been here since 2.1 and people are still here playing, it clearly is not game 'breaking', it is annoying it is frustrating, but not breaking
2) if its been here since 2.1, why first the video now if it was such a 'breaking' problem?

So yeah, then add that we have no idea of their plans, we have no idea of their schedule, as we learned with 2.3 lives, they've had people dedicated working on some specific things, and again, it is a relatively small team, they are still hiring.

Is it frustrating, is it annoying, yes, and yes, heck yes.

But that doesn't mean they are lazy, and frankly I personally can't call people that when I don't know what the complexity of the problem is, or what they are busy doing. There can be plenty of solid reasons for it. Laziness does not even need to be involved when it comes to something as complex as Elite, again a complexity most people probably don't understand, which is fine, but that doesn't mean they are lazy. And there are several ways to keep prodding them about it without affecting any other in game player at all.

 

[Spiridon]

It proves that, but again in the worst, lowest, most low effort way possible, and then it is waved around as a flag for trying to 'fix' the game?

They were always like that. That explains both love they receive here, and the success of their "flagging".